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Budi

(15,325 posts)
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 12:24 AM Mar 2022

Ugh. 13 billion Ukraine funds passed BUT the RU oil ban is being played ...




Motion to table passes now they have to vote down a motion to recommit (send ban on Russian oil and gas imports back to committee). Funding bill including $13.8b for Ukraine has already passed according to C-SPAN chyron.

The motion to recommit is a GOP motion to send the Russian oil/gas import ban back to committee to add the Keystone pipeline to the bill.

Sounds like the REPUBLICANS aren't willing to give up on Putin.
Guess they worked so hard to make those big $$$ deals on all those trips back n forth to Russia.
'Do me a favor...'

*****

2 Democrat Nay votes? wtf.

At least two Democrats will soon be saying their "principles" led them to vote against banning Russian oil/gas imports.

Voting with the R's who are beholden to a deal they signed onto long ago.
Who are they?
Who's all in Putin's pocket?
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Ugh. 13 billion Ukraine funds passed BUT the RU oil ban is being played ... (Original Post) Budi Mar 2022 OP
So if the R's are adding the Keystone Pipeline, then Budi Mar 2022 #1
We backed off getting Polish MIG jets to Ukraine, now we won't ban Russian oil imports. SunSeeker Mar 2022 #2
Maybe because the KOCH's own a large area of the Canadian Tar Sands... Budi Mar 2022 #3
But they can and have been moving it without Keystone. SunSeeker Mar 2022 #4
The Kochs (now down to just one brother) pulled out of the Canadian Tar Sands in mid 2019. Celerity Mar 2022 #7
have read elsewhere the house passed the funding bill already nt msongs Mar 2022 #5
Canada needs keystone and we need it too. Energy independence is key AlexSFCA Mar 2022 #6
We also need water, and Sogo Mar 2022 #8
What are you talking about? n/m orwell Mar 2022 #10
B.S. We need energy independence through renewables, not the dirtiest crude. kysrsoze Mar 2022 #11
absolutely, but it takes time, energy independence is immediate need AlexSFCA Mar 2022 #12
That doesn't mean shit., That's not independence it's the opposite. rockfordfile Mar 2022 #16
So the answer is to import more oil with the Keystone XL pipeline? Kaleva Mar 2022 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Kaleva Mar 2022 #19
Do we even need congressional approval to ban Russian oil imports? W_HAMILTON Mar 2022 #9
What a clusterfuck berniesandersmittens Mar 2022 #13
Keystone is made of RUSSIAN steel Dirty Socialist Mar 2022 #14
Keystone has been in operation since 2016 Kaleva Mar 2022 #20
Oil companies have 9,000 unused drilling permits Dirty Socialist Mar 2022 #15
Economic viability. Lancero Mar 2022 #17
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
1. So if the R's are adding the Keystone Pipeline, then
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 12:43 AM
Mar 2022

..then those 2 Dems are now just fine with Keystone?
Seems Keystone was a cornerstone of GND at one time.


SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
2. We backed off getting Polish MIG jets to Ukraine, now we won't ban Russian oil imports.
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 12:49 AM
Mar 2022

Fucking infuriating.

And why do Republicans have a hard-on for Keystone? It does not increase oil production. It's just a more direct but environmentally disastrous route for getting CANADIAN oil to Texas refineries and then to the world market. Canadian oil is already reaching the world market through other routes.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. Maybe because the KOCH's own a large area of the Canadian Tar Sands...
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 12:59 AM
Mar 2022

Can't move that tar sands sludge without Keystone!

Celerity

(43,315 posts)
7. The Kochs (now down to just one brother) pulled out of the Canadian Tar Sands in mid 2019.
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 01:48 AM
Mar 2022
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/article-koch-industries-sells-its-oil-sands-properties-to-paramount/

PUBLISHED AUGUST 14, 2019

The conglomerate run by the wealthy Koch brothers has sold its oil-sands assets to a unit of Paramount Resources Ltd. for an undisclosed sum following halted attempts to develop projects.

Koch Industries Inc., whose billionaire owners Charles and David Koch are well-known in the United States for supporting conservative causes, transferred five oil-sands leases to Cavalier Energy, which is the oil-sands unit of Calgary-based Paramount, according to the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER).

“The majority of Koch Oil Sands licences have been transferred to Paramount Resources Ltd. All of the remaining licences are for well sites and [they] have been abandoned, which means that they have been permanently sealed and taken out of service,” AER spokesman Shawn Roth said. The companies applied for the asset transfers in late June and the AER approved them on Aug. 1, according the regulator’s website.

The deal, first reported by the Financial Post, represents the latest exit of a foreign-owned company from the Alberta oil sands. In April, Oklahoma-based Devon Energy Corp. sold its oil-sands business, including the producing Jackfish project, to Canadian Natural Resources Ltd. for $3.8-billion. Others that have divested include ConocoPhillips, Royal Dutch Shell PLC and Norway’s Equinor.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
8. We also need water, and
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 02:06 AM
Mar 2022

once that thick sludge gets into the Ogalala Aquifer, you can say goodbye to the Midwest states that depend on it for their water. Fuck Keystone!

kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
11. B.S. We need energy independence through renewables, not the dirtiest crude.
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 02:19 AM
Mar 2022

Tar sands oil is corrosive sludge and we should be trying to wean the country off of oil, not pipelining the worst crude you can get through sensitive areas.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
18. So the answer is to import more oil with the Keystone XL pipeline?
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 04:40 AM
Mar 2022

How does one achieve energy independence by importing more oil?

Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #6)

W_HAMILTON

(7,862 posts)
9. Do we even need congressional approval to ban Russian oil imports?
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 02:09 AM
Mar 2022

I thought Biden announced that he was doing so already...

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
14. Keystone is made of RUSSIAN steel
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 04:00 AM
Mar 2022

And it leaks like there’s no tomorrow. Biden cancelled Keystone because of the leaks.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
20. Keystone has been in operation since 2016
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 04:47 AM
Mar 2022

About 700k barrels of oil sludge a day flows through the 2000+ pipeline from Canada to refrineries in southern IL and further down to TX.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
17. Economic viability.
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 04:30 AM
Mar 2022

A lot of the more isolated area's would take years of build up to be worth exploiting. Maybe they claimed the permits now, because they plan to build out their current operations in five or so years to exploit that area. Maybe they don't have any need for the permit, but they've got a competitor building out that way and we just want to mess with them. Maybe that competitor got pissed off over another company doing this to them and now they want to return the 'favor'.

Capitalism at it's finest, really. More profitable to keep competition out than to invest in our business to be, well, competitive against them.

Frankly, the permits really need to have active use requirements. Start drilling within a year, or you lose the permit and we reissue it to a company thats actually willing to use it.

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