Just a nose count: Enter the action in UKR or not.

[Stinky The Clown]

There has been plenty of debate pro and con. It is clear we are united against Russia but not in agreement about what to do. This poll is intended to measure our tolerance for greater involvement by using one question.

Should Western powers directly engage Russians in Ukraine?

31 votes, 3 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Yes, directly engage
	5 (16%)
	No, stay out of Ukraine
	26 (84%)
	3 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. When you say "Should Western powers directly engage Russians in Ukraine?"

Do you mean go to war with them? Use weapons?

Is that what you mean?

It's a little ambiguous.

[Stinky The Clown]

4. Intentionally so

There is a wide range of possibilities, but yes, engaging them in this case would almost certainly involve weapons.

[underpants]

2. Cutting them out of the dollar was an actual genius move

I think I’m saying that right.

The sanctions are very tough. Yes Putin can probably absorb it but by all accounts Joe and the Allies hit him hard.

[Hoyt]

3. Present situation, stay engaged remotely but ready if situation changes.

[TreasonousBastard]

5. I understand why we don't go to war with Russia, but this sanction

shit just isn't getting us anywhere.

Maybe it does take time, but right now it may be hurting us more than them.

[mvd]

6. I'd need to be convinced of no..

widespread nukes and WWIII. So it is a stay out from me.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. I am very conflicted about this whole me and vacillate hourly between yes and no

so please don't take this as argumentative; it isn't intended as such.

Isn't the fear of nukes and WWIII exactly what allows Putin to do what he's doing?

By the way, I think tactical nukes are more than a 50/50 chance.

I also think the world will recoil in horror.

[mvd]

12. No, I can't agree

I think Putin is nuts enough to escalate things greatly. Let’s trust the President right now. That seems sensible. I know how tempting it is, but right now the Russians aren’t even assured of prevailing
in Ukraine.

[Crunchy Frog]

7. I'm not there yet, but that may change.

We should not stand by and watch a genocide unfold.

[Celerity]

8. sending in US troops to directly fight/kill Russian troops is a WWIII-inducing escalatory stance,

as are crackpot suggestions such as 'we must cruise missile Moscow and all the Putin palaces' or 'just nuke them before they nuke us' etc etc.

[ShazzieB]

9. The, 100%!

It's agonizing to watch this, but nukes are nothing to take a chance on, and I don't think it would take much for Pootie to decide to use them. If anything, I think he'd be pleased to have an excuse. We can't afford to give him one.

[MyMission]

10. Yes! Stand up to bullies.

I was going to pass, not really looking to engage in war, but then I voted yes, because we should not stand idly by and watch Russia invade and destroy the Ukrainian country and people.

We need to directly engage them sooner,or we will be forced to at a later date and a greater cost to freedom, and a greater cost of lives

With all the comparisons made to Hitler when some leader gets fascist and authoritarian, there have been a few made with Putin. He will seize, threaten/bully, coerce, poison, spy, invade, suppress, and lie, just to name a few of his behaviors. He will continue these behaviors.

The world is watching....we need to act.

[lagomorph777]

22. Fix it now, or fix it later, at higher cost.

Show him we're tough enough now; this will save lives later.

[Grasswire2]

13. It's not going to end with Ukraine.

Putin has no reason to stop. He wants it all.

[maxsolomon]

17. He doesn't have enough military to take it all.

Maybe Moldova. Georgia is a possibility, but that would be stretching it thin.

Attempting any invasion of the 3 Baltic states is direct engagement with NATO. He won't.

There is little need to take any of the Central Asian nations - they're compliant.

[Grasswire2]

18. you think he's not crazy/desperate enough to use methods other than invasion force?

He may decide to just defoliate and obliterate life forms on whatever territory he can't conquer by invasion.

[Hekate]

14. It's time. Putin will not stop....

I heard he originally planned to zip into Ukraine, seize the towns, install puppets, and call it his own.

Since that’s not working, he’s settling for reducing the cities to rubble and big holes, and killing the Ukrainians.

Since he won’t stop, I’ve concluded it’s time to resolutely join our NATO allies.

Not happy about it, but there it is.

[Grasswire2]

19. yes, see what I wrote just above your comment here, this morning.

He will not stop.

He's insane with rage.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. Kicking for the day shift

[lagomorph777]

16. You don't leave much space for moderate measures.

For example, supply the damned planes.
For example, enforce a no-fly zone.

[Stinky The Clown]

20. Both of those are different measures of engagement.

Supplying planes seems to be a live wire for the military.

Enforcing a No-Fly zone sets up F-16 or F35/MIG27 or MIG35 encounters.

[lagomorph777]

21. Supplying Javelins and Stingers is engagement, too.

[Stinky The Clown]

25. Yes it is

If Javelins and Stingers, why not jets?

It is ALL imprecise.

[AntiFascist]

23. I strongly believe that it is not the US' decision to make...

European nations are in the crosshairs and it should be their decision. I also don't believe in the pacifist position that we should stay out of it, even if a NATO country is attacked.

[rgbecker]

24. Striking artillery and Surface to Surface missile batteries from a distance

Would leave the escalation up to Putin. IF he wanted more he would most likely need to strike at a NATO country.

Leaving a sovereign country to the mercy of a nuclear power will simply lead to more countries who like Iran and N Korea feel the need to move towards acquiring the Bomb. If those with nuclear power are not going to protect the existence of sovereign nations it will drive each country to acquire their own with even more danger of actual use in the future. That, or it will drive those countries to the umbrella of protection of Russian who seemingly has convinced everyone they will use them to annihilate free countries killing thousands and displacing millions.