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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRoger Stone's potential Jan. 6 swan song -- and what it means for Trump
On Wednesday, Joshua James, the leader of the Alabama Chapter of Oath Keepers, pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy and obstruction of Congress for trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election. The Oath Keepers a group of anti-government extremists were among those who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. As part of his guilty plea, James agreed to cooperate with prosecutors, including providing testimony to a grand jury.
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After the Jan. 6 protest turned into a bloody riot, however, Stone evidently panicked. As a violent mob ransacked the Capitol, he packed his bags and reportedly told an aide, I really want to get out of here adding that he thought the riot would be really bad for the movement.
After the riot, he lobbied Trump to enact the Stone Plan a blanket pardon to shield himself and Trumps allies in Congress from prosecution for any efforts to overturn the election more generally. Stone had good reason to think Trump would offer such a pardon. After all, Trump pardoned him after he was indicted (and convicted) on charges of lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstruction of justice. Whats one more pardon between friends?
But according to The Washington Post, White House counsel Pat Cipollone thwarted the Stone Plan, prompting Stone to write to an associate: See you in prison.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/roger-stone-s-potential-jan-6-swan-song-and-what-it-means-for-trump/ar-AAUS9bm?ocid=msedgntp
Stone is absolutely in the crosshairs of the DOJ right now and when he goes down, he will flip in a second to try and avoid dying in prison. He will give over everything and everyone.
2naSalit
(86,071 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,656 posts)While I've suspected there was a grand jury, this is the first confirmation I've seen.
2naSalit
(86,071 posts)I suspected it but was waiting for confirmation, now it's here.
msfiddlestix
(7,266 posts)grand jury as an event that *could* happen, rather than has happened. or even is happening.
I'd like to assume, Stone is scheduled to appear or has been called already as a grand jury witness
Don't mean to pick at this detail, but if it is mentioned as having already transpired, which would be both interesting and gratifying providing he spilled everything he knows and naming names.
P.S. I feel like I've read so much about various investigations we wanted to see happen, and has gone on and on but never coming close to expectations. Just reports of folding or closed without even so much as a fine. I'm thinking of the Manhattan office in particular at the moment, which sickens to me to my core. Was I expecting the impossible? (apparently)
Buckeyeblue
(5,491 posts)1. A source of income for himself
2. A way to leverage the groups fundraising to influence future elections
Stone is a political operative. He gets paid by politicians to keep things stirred up. Not to actually see any real change happen.
Rioting in the Capitol is not what he signed up for.
I agree he'll flip.
I don't understand why Trump didn't do The Stone Plane. I'm glad he didn't. But it was a greave mistake on his part. Had he issued the blanket pardons, those people would have followed him into hot lava.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He will indeed regret that.
brewens
(13,400 posts)"from the 45th president" things declaring they are pardoned.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,266 posts)sdfernando
(4,897 posts)tdfg probably didn't feel like these guys did enough to keep him in power...especially trying to high-tail it out of there...so as is the tdfg's way, he is punching-down and dominating them. "you didn't do enough to help me so now I won't help you"
wnylib
(21,146 posts)punish and dominate them by refusing pardons can backfire on him.
Trump might have thought he had nothing to fear about his refusal backfiring because he really believed that he could retain or regain power to stay in control and prevent any consequences to himself.
Buckeyeblue
(5,491 posts)calimary
(80,700 posts)The donald is an absolute Gorgon of Grievance, always whining about how unfair fill-in-the-blank-here is to him.
Whine whine whine. Snivel snivel snivel. And still whoring for attention.
The man is a freakin spoiled adult-size five-year-old.
And as he goes down, I hope he takes ol Roger down with him. Or vice versa.
Ohio Joe
(21,656 posts)I really just assumed he would grant a ton of pardons, not just for his supporters but for himself as well yet... He failed to do it. Arrogance... Stupidity... Senility... A combination. I don't know but it is one failure I'm glad he had.
PatSeg
(46,806 posts)He is loyal to no one except himself. How he has avoided prison all these years is incomprehensible. He is open and proud to be an unapologetic dirty trickster.
Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)he has done more to undermine the US Government than hardly anyone over the last 40 years or so.
NNadir
(33,368 posts)He's a lifelong criminal with multiple offenses with no chance of rehabilitation.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Love love love love it! ♥️♥️♥️
NNadir
(33,368 posts)CanonRay
(14,038 posts)TeamProg
(5,788 posts)malaise
(267,843 posts)Rec
BobTheSubgenius
(11,535 posts)However he may snarl and sneer, he is a weasel to the core.
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)tons of fun living the swingers lifestyle. He will flip.
ashredux
(2,593 posts)Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Martin Eden
(12,805 posts)That will be a glorious day.
Martin68
(22,671 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)It will be awesome to see Trump's crooked cronies turning on him & one another.