Should Ukraine be invited to join NATO?

[kentuck]

Why or why not?

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	Yes
	20 (91%)
	No
	2 (9%)
	I have no idea. I'm not an expert on these matters.
	0 (0%)
	Maybe, if it would be good for the future of the world.
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	Why do you keep asking these stupid questions?
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[PJMcK]

1. For now, they can't.

You may have heard that Ukraine is involved in an active border dispute.

Google NATO membership requirements.

[MoonlitKnight]

2. This is why

[Caliman73]

3. Ukraine has been on a path to join NATO already.

Are you asking if we should do it now?

If so, then the answer is NO. They are in a state of war right now and their government is hiding underground. Their internal services are not working and they would not meet the standards of a NATO country.

If/When Russia is driven out, and we can help them rebuild and they continue on the path of eliminating the corruption that has plagued their systems of government, then absolutely we should allow them to become part of NATO.

[sarisataka]

4. Right now that would be a declaration of war

Maybe after Russia is back inside its borders

[ruet]

5. Early Results and All But;...

I find it interesting, based on this poll, that everyone want's to stay out of the conflict yet approves the one method to bring us directly into it.

[Celerity]

18. cognitive dissonance

[ruet]

20. At This Time It's, Almost,...

perfectly inverted. Wild!

[sarisataka]

26. Doublethink

In George Orwell's dystopian classic 1984, doublethink is the act of holding, simultaneously, two opposite, individually exclusive ideas or opinions and believing in both simultaneously and absolutely. Doublethink requires using logic against logic or suspending disbelief in the contradiction.

The three slogans of the party — "War Is Peace; Freedom Is Slavery; Ignorance Is Strength" — are obvious examples of doublethink. The act of doublethink also occurs in more subtle details throughout the novel.

In Orwell's book many people don't even realize they are doing it.

[tritsofme]

6. Or phrased differently, should we declare war on Russia?

[roody]

7. No.

The US should honor agreements it makes. I know, why start now?

[Kaleva]

8. Later, after Russia has been driven out of Ukraine.

[Kaleva]

9. At least 22 so far are willing to sacrifice their loved ones for Ukraine.

[uponit7771]

11. Because we know history and don't want to repeat the bad parts of it?

[uponit7771]

10. NO!! NATO needs to be invited by Ukraine !!! 🤫 Ukraine has proven their metal

But yeah NATO needs to get Ukraine on their side ...

You want those guys peeing in the tent not on it

[kentuck]

12. In a larger geo-political viewpoint...

Ukraine would be the perfect buffer between Russia and NATO as an independent democracy, and very friendly to the other countries within NATO. Also, Russia would not see it as the same threat if they were not in NATO.

[uponit7771]

14. Friendly to the West doesn't stop Russia from attacking them though

[kentuck]

15. But if NATO is willing to support them now with weapons to defend themselves...?

...why would they not do it again if they were attacked again by Russia? (Assuming they can defeat Russia and get them out of their country in this present war)

[uponit7771]

16. That's responsive and not preventative, it's preventative to being NATO and not get attacked at all

I agree with Zelensky and this war is a degree of loss not that there's not going to be loss at all by both sides.

I would not want to have the lost at all if I can doing everything I can to prevent it

[kentuck]

17. As a member of NATO, would it not be a festering sore that would never heal?

...with the Russian people? Would it be more like an enemy on their border? But as an independent country, friendly with NATO but not a part of NATO or Russia, would that not be a more acceptable way to live without the threats?

[uponit7771]

22. Yeah but let them fester, fuck them. Russians NOT festering didn't prevent their crazy...

... leader from attacking Ukraine and ripping it to shit

Would it be more like an enemy on their border?


There are already strong NATO countries at Russia's border to this second

The " at the border of Russia " excuse is silly on its face and I wish the department of defence would quit with that gas lighting.


friendly with NATO but not a part of NATO or Russia, would that not be a more acceptable way to live without the threats?

Ukraine was already friendly with NATO it did not stop Russia from blowing their country to shit

[kentuck]

23. You make some good points.

Since Ukraine is a democracy, perhaps their citizens should vote on it?

[uponit7771]

24. So true, I think they already have they put NATO in their constitution

[kentuck]

25. And there is no guarantee that Putin will be in charge forever.

They may find a way to get rid of him?

[Zeitghost]

13. No

You don't sell someone insurance when the house is already on fire.

[Sherman A1]

19. I voted for the fifth option

On the list.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

21. No.

There is an active war going on and it would be tantamount to declaring war on Russia.

Maybe after Russia gets it's ass kicked back across it's borders.