It Looks Like the RNC Raised Money for Stop the Steal,

[gab13by13]

The select committee has subpoenaed records from the RNC vendor Salesforce. After Trump lost the election he went on a money request to back Stop the Steal, the rallying cry of the insurrection, the RNC may have used its funding to support the coup attempt.

The RNC must be worried because it is suing the select committee to prevent it from getting the records.

Madison Cawthorn just did a town hall where he said, "how sorry I am.....we were not able to stop the 2020 election from happening."

I was recently accused of advocating being like Russia because I made the statement that Merrick Garland is going to have to be partisan because the Republican party is complicit in overturning our democracy. I stand by my statement. The Republican party is rigging the next election, the Republican party is passing laws that subvert our democracy, the Republican party is passing laws that go after anyone who is not a part of the master white race and gender.

It's time our DOJ goes after the Republican party, not because it is a rival of the Democratic party, but because the Republican party is violating our Constitution.

Have at me, I am upset that most of these investigations have to be carried out by the select committee when they should be carried out by DOJ. Did not DOJ say it would follow the money? Just asking.

[Mr. Ected]

1. There will be nothing partisan about the DOJ's investigation and prosecution of Stop the Steal

The fact that all the named defendants are all Republicans is incidental. This was a mass conspiracy among thousands of players and was designed, of course, for partisan advantage, but the litigation of these criminals will not bear any hallmark of a witch hunt. Actual crimes have been committed by actual criminals and the result will be many, many Republicans ending up behind bars. It was the partisan nature of their crimes that underlie this fact, not the partisan nature of the prosecution.

[Mister Ed]

2. +1 n/t

[blogslug]

4. agree

[Walleye]

5. Well stated

[gab13by13]

6. What does Webster say?

Partisan and Politics
A partisan is someone who supports one part or party. Sometimes the support takes the form of military action, as when guerrilla fighters take on government forces. But partisan is actually most often used as an adjective, usually referring to support of a political party. so if you're accused of being too partisan, or of practicing partisan politics, it means you're mainly interested in boosting your own party and attacking the other one.

DOJ is going to have to "attack" the GQP, investigate it, which is the Webster definition of being partisan, is it not? Oh my gawd, I am not asking DOJ to go on witch hunts, I used examples. I guarantee you that the members of the Republican party will call Merrick Garland partisan were he to investigate Salesforce.

Do you think that DOJ should investigate Salesforce, because if you do the GQP is going to say that is a partisan witch hunt, guaranteed.

[Mr. Ected]

7. Who cares how THEY frame it? We have no choice how they will react and they will project of course

Just because they whine that it's witch hunt doesn't make it so and shouldn't affect the DOJ one iota.

Again, the attacks are not on the body politic but on the individuals within the group that have committed crimes. The majority of Republicans nationally did not participate in Stop the Steal, did not conspire to throw an election, and have not been involved in a cover-up. Only the scum that will be marched through courts and made to answer to their transgressions are at risk. The Republican Party will survive this despite any claims to the contrary.

[gab13by13]

12. Not talking about members of the Republican party,

I am talking about the RNC, the politicians. Name me GQP politicians, other than Kinzinger and Cheney, who are not active participants in working to overthrow our democracy, not just talking about the 1/6 attack on the Capitol.

If the RNC used its funding to support the 1/6 insurrection the Republican party is complicit.

The insurrection did not end on 1/6, it continues. Are not the state Republicans who are passing discriminatory, voter suppressing laws complicit, not criminally, in ending our democracy? Republicans may not be criminally liable for passing anti-democratic, anti-Constitutional laws but the laws they are passing are designed to ensure Republican minority rule for generations, then we won't have to worry about the word "partisan" there won't be a need for it. How many Republican laws did Marc Elias get tossed, thank god Elias sees the issue. Citizens groups are doing more than DOJ. A citizen group is going after the Cyber Ninjas, has taken them to court, what did DOJ do? It wrote a stern letter that was ignored.

Why is the RNC suing the select committee?

[Beastly Boy]

17. You are not?

Then, what exactly did you mean by this?

I was recently accused of advocating being like Russia because I made the statement that Merrick Garland is going to have to be partisan because the Republican party is complicit in overturning our democracy. I stand by my statement. The Republican party is rigging the next election, the Republican party is passing laws that subvert our democracy, the Republican party is passing laws that go after anyone who is not a part of the master white race and gender.

And if the Republicans "may not be criminally liable", what is your beef with DOJ? You have called for Garland to be partisan, and you just defeated your own rationale for him to be partisan.

Oh, BTW, "Why is the RNC suing the select commitee?" is innuendo defined.

[gab13by13]

23. Umm, the laws they are passing,

Marc Elias has gotten many of them tossed, DOJ has challenged a couple also, I believe. What the Cyber Ninjas did was illegal, now a citizens group has taken them to court. Why didn't DOJ stop them from the beginning? The fraudits just spread across the country.

[Beastly Boy]

30. Even though you didn't limit your comment to the "laws they are passing",

your focus on the laws is making even less sense.

Are you proposing that DOJ, part of the executive branch, should engage in partisan interference because of the opinions they have on laws the legislative branch is passing? How does this have anything in common with the US Constitution? With all due respect to DOJ, it is none of Garland's fucking business to meddle with the laws the Congress passes. DOJ can only act, within the limitations imposed on it by Congress, if and only if there is reason to believe that the existing laws were broken in the course of the new laws being passed. DOJ is prohibited by law from considering any potential implications of the laws being passed. This, BTW, is where the Select Committee comes in. They have much more room to maneuver than DOJ does, but they better be sure they dot every i and cross every t before referring anything for prosecution.

Thankfully, DOJ has absolutely no authority to police Congress. Does this answer your rather perplexing question about DOJ not stopping "them" from the beginning?

If so, all you have left to explain is how you managed to reconcile your call for DOJ to be partisan in the face of Republicans, however you choose to define them, possibly not being criminally liable.

[Atticus]

3. Agree. nt

[Ohio Joe]

8. You want the DOJ to announce they are partisan in their prosecutions?

Well... That would be the fastest way to get all of their cases thrown out of court. Does not sound like a good plan to me.

[gab13by13]

14. No, I get in trouble for using absolutes,

I was using "partisan" for emphasis that DOJ is going to have to investigate a lot of officials, politicians, of the Republican party. Republicans will claim that DOJ is being partisan, even if those Republicans may have committed crimes.

Merrick Garland is an honorable man, has an honorable reputation, I never ever infer that he should go on witch hunts after Republicans. The facts are that there is a lot of evidence out there that Republican officials, including the former president committed crimes and all that DOJ should do is follow the facts.

[dmr]

9. Do you have a link?

It's hard for me to believe Cawthorn said these words:

The Republican party is rigging the next election, the Republican party is passing laws that subvert our democracy, the Republican party is passing laws that go after anyone who is not a part of the master white race and gender.

[TurboDem]

11. The only quote by Cawthorn in the post is

"how sorry I am.....we were not able to stop the 2020 election from happening."

The op is not implying that Cawthorn said the words you have in your block text.

[dmr]

33. That's what I originally thought, but there wasn't another

name in the post to attribute the quote to, so that's why I asked for the link. Now it makes more sense.

[gab13by13]

16. Yup

Link to tweet

[2Gingersnaps]

18. While wearing a dark green T-shirt like Zelensky?

Must have got the memo from Don Jr. Wonder how long it will take Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley to pick one up?

[XacerbatedDem]

31. Did Cawthorn say, in that top clip, "stop the 2020 election from happening?"

That's what I heard. Does he mean entirely, or just the part where TFG lost?
Wasn't he elected in 2020?

[bucolic_frolic]

10. The letter and spirit of the Constitution have never been strengthened

The government works like clockwork, and is unfolded by judicial case law. We have allowed the judiciary, and therefore judicial appointments, to write the script so to speak. There may never again be the patriotism, clarity of the founding generation to level the playing field. A Constitutional Convention is no answer. So we have concentrated power and small entities fighting it. We need 75 clones of Marc Elias, a thorough housecleaning of enforcement agencies, and a level financial-political field. I'll leave it to bookmakers to estimate our chances.

[Beastly Boy]

13. I am not a lawyer either, but

I can clearly see the difference between conjecture and evidence, between an RNC vendor and Republicans, between partisanship and justice, between guilt by association and "beyond reasonable doubt".

I am so glad that the DOJ is being run by dedicated professionals who can tell the difference even better (gasp!) than I do, and are only beholden to the law as it is written. Otherwise, we wouldn't have justice, we would have mob rule.

And don't be upset about the select committee, I am sure they don't mind. The Committee, being part of the legislative branch, is constitutionally bound to serve as a check and balance on the executive branch, and as such has better standing and breadth of authority to investigate in most cases. DOJ, on the other hand, being part of the executive branch, is far more restricted (thanks to laws passed by the legislative branch) by the boundaries deliberately placed on its activities. This especially applies in cases of DOJ investigating the executive branch.

[czarjak]

15. 2000 would have been a good time for Stop the Steal

[Demsrule86]

19. 2000 would have been a good time for Nader and Greens to shut the fuck up and not hand the

presidency to Bush who promptly let us get attacked in New York. and started two wars...shipped millions of jobs overseas and ended his term with economic collapse...and who would have thought fucking Greens would do it again in 2016...imagine if Gore had been elected or later Hillary. How much better would the world be? We will never know for sure but I know one thing... I will never forgive nor forget what the Greens and their allies did.

[2Gingersnaps]

20. Right there with you.

This is like the Deutsche Bank not cutting ties to Russia headline. Of course not, elite crime is not punishable. It is "privileged" .....for reasons.

In the case of Deutsche, even when you have been caught, proceed with the money laundering, it is lucrative. In the case of the Ocher Ogre, he's done it all his life, no one said no. Few settlements, a few charges here and there, but so what? He isn't dead or in prison yet. We still haven't got the explanation for the eight Senators in Moscow on July 4, 2018, or Rand Paul who arrived a few days later, or what Madison Cawthorn was doing there besides picking up a short term "bride."

[lagomorph777]

21. It is not partisan to prosecute criminals.

It's not our fault that all the crooks happen to belong to the other party.

[gab13by13]

24. I agree, using the word "partisan" was a poor choice, it was for emphasis.

Republicans will call it partisan so I hope that doesn't influence DOJ, Garland stated it wouldn't but none so far have been indicted.

Day 86 since the select committee sent the Meadows criminal referral.

[lagomorph777]

28. Day 429 since Trump publicly ordered a coup on TV.

I'm pretty sure there are recordings of it.

It is getting pretty ridiculous.

[MineralMan]

22. Well, it looks like the House Committee is looking into that.

That's a good idea. I don't know if the DOJ is looking into it, because that Department doesn't announce things about its investigations while the investigations are ongoing.

So, the RNC may have raised month for "Stop the Steal," but I don't know that it did. That's why the Committee has subpoenaed some records. We'll see.

Meanwhile the work at the DOJ and in the House Select Committee continues. As it should.

[onetexan]

25. +1 -K&R. No surprise the entire party was involved

Hook line & sinker.

[jaxexpat]

26. Quite possibly the worst of this is that as the select committee does it's work,...

work the DOJ should be doing, their efforts are dismissed by many as "political theater". What's lost is that this characterization is true because of the nature of its findings. The GOP has gone full-on treason and proving so exposes some pretty dramatic evidence. Were the DOJ go after these criminals as they would any other organization bent on uprooting essential rules of law through criminal actions, they'd have the major players behind bars, awaiting trial, by now. But while the DOJ is so intransigent, so "publicity shy", the R/W turns up the volume on its patently ridiculous excuses for reasonable grievance. It's a smokescreen, somewhat abetted by DOJ's perceived inaction as it postures toward evidentiary security.
Meanwhile, back in the real world where the hearts and minds of main street breathe uneasily, how many will harbor in the back of their minds that this smokescreen might be hiding an actual fire? How many will give the traitors the benefit of a doubt, not because of some validity of their points but simple because the DOJ hasn't arrested the perpetrators. If they were guilty, wouldn't they be in jail already, caught up in a public dragnet operation? That would provide the much-anticipated headlines that even FOX would be forced to either ignore or show as fact lest it be indicted as coconspirator.

[L. Coyote]

27. Political criminals are the very worst kind.

Link to tweet

[uponit7771]

29. The DOJ doesn't believe the GZP is a threat

[Danascot]

32. The GOP is a criminal enterprise

and has been for some time.

[Captain Zero]

34. Salesforce has a huge presence in Indianapolis

Bought the old Chase Bank Tower, sad that its full of millennial coders raising funds for the GQP.