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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUkraine has proven something beyond any doubt.
In a conventional war, America, NATO, would kick the shit out of Russia. The Russian military is not impressive at all.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)force. They a still not to be totally disregarded.
sop
(10,174 posts)I'm not suggesting we find out, mind you.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)People called me crazy. Come to find out, America already has nuclear weapons in countries like Germany. Putin knows this. If he every uses nuclear weapons Russia would be vaporized. Putin is evil, but he is not suicidal.
2naSalit
(86,596 posts)Has fewer cities to attack in order to take control of the country.
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)If Moscow is vaporized, so is LA, NYC, CHI, SF and Miami...
In fact the whole world is finished.
zuul
(14,624 posts)Given that Russia is known for corruption by high-ranking officials, there is little doubt that there was some shoddy work involved. We have seen the results of that with their conventional weapons.
If Putin tries to launch a nuclear weapon, it may very well backfire (literally and figuratively.)
NNadir
(33,516 posts)This is the happy result of the banning of tests.
zuul
(14,624 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)2naSalit
(86,596 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)You win the thread!
Haggard Celine
(16,844 posts)And you know that if we're thinking that, plenty of other countries might be willing to see if our weapons are as lethal as we say. Besides, are we or the Russians willing to cause a nuclear catastrophe?
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)exposing the myth of the all powerful Russian military. We now see just how far behind western democracies his military is - in virtually every category. Its a hollow bear.
Irish_Dem
(47,037 posts)To be frightened and shown a lesson about his power.
This was to be a stepping stone to taking other territories and shifting world power to Russia and China.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)An invasion of Russia, while difficult, is not only possible but likely successful.
Irish_Dem
(47,037 posts)And he certainly did, but the opposite of what he intended.
newdayneeded
(1,955 posts)perhaps we look even sillier spending the umpteen trillions on military spending we do.
Irish_Dem
(47,037 posts)Putin threatens nukes, bio weapons and all we can do is sit on our hands and watch.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)this must be very embarrassing to russian generals.
WhiteTara
(29,708 posts)is that the Ukrainian military has killed a number of the Russian generals.
world wide wally
(21,742 posts)WhiteTara
(29,708 posts)favor of a mobile crematorium.
world wide wally
(21,742 posts)hunter
(38,311 posts).
Irish_Dem
(47,037 posts)They used too much fuel in the field.
The other reason is that they were not efficient enough for him. Didn't destroy enough bodies in a timely period.
Silent3
(15,210 posts)Perhaps Putin is hoping Syrians will be more ruthless.
Obviously some Russian soldiers are cold-blooded killers, or Ukraine would be suffering so much now. But part of the failure of the invasion so far might have been unwillingness among many Russian soldiers to be a part of this cruelty.
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)It is very good at destroying buildings with rockets and missiles and murdering civilians
RobinA
(9,890 posts)we are seeing the full force of the Russian military?
PufPuf23
(8,774 posts)That the best of the Russian equipment and personnel are being held in reserve for the future, like if NATO responds.
The Russian army appear to be chewing up older equipment and sorting through neophyte soldiers in a low tech attack brutalizing Ukraine, perhaps the method is itself a warning for other former Soviet republics.
Hope I am wrong.
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)T-14 Armata tanks? Nope.
S400 SAM's? Either no or not much
SU-35s? Nope or not much
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Too expensive to build and operate, too rare to be effective. Many are claimed as operational, but are likely barely out of prototype phase.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)... but in the east and south the conventional wars aren't going good for RA AT ALL.
They were experience, armed and close to the Russian border and are having a tough go at it.
hunter
(38,311 posts)"Red Dawn" indeed.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)exposed vulnerabilities that seemed to remind of a reliance on propaganda, and images of overwhelming force somewhat detached from reality. Old school KGB.
Volaris
(10,270 posts)Would be immediate (obvisouly), but the offensive response would be longer-term...utilizing a slow, planned and very specific, process of utterly obliterating every single shred of his military capacity.
The planning would take 6 months of absolutely nothing happening, and then the offensive obliteration would take about 6 days.
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)uponit7771
(90,336 posts)James48
(4,436 posts)The Russians STILL have a formatable force in the field, and are now using it, and are traching themselves how to fight better.
If we are directly thrown up against them, both firces woth be slaughtered.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)... half) is horrid and 3 flag officers dead.
That doesn't even happen in WWII
One could make the "not prepared" argument for the north but in S/E they're not having a good go at and that's close to the Russian border.
The RU forces are dismounting and using SMGM cause their getting their asses kicked or neutral in tank battles.
Putrid has had the FSB minister arrested already.
This isn't going good ... I know I know ... 1000 out of 23,000 isn't impressive but we both know RU fractured BTG has more of an effect than a fractured US battalion
bluestarone
(16,929 posts)I believe they would fight differently had their homeland been invaded. pooty threw them into their own WW3