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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe news of yet another Russian general being KIA makes me wonder
It's not common by any stretch of the imagination for generals to be in a position to be KIA in modern warfare. They stay back and command from a safe distance so their expertise is utilized and they remain safe to lead another day. They do not normally put themselves in harms way. This seems to have become the norm post Vietnam.
So, why? Why are these generals where they are and being killed? Is it the troops aren't performing as anticipated and Putin has insisted they put their lives on the line, or what? I'm perplexed as to what's going on there.
Anyone here have any theories?
Ukrainian defenders have killed a third top Russian general as Russia's more than two-week war with Ukraine intensifies, the Armed Forces of Ukraine said on Friday.
Ukraine's military said in a tweet that they killed Russian Maj. Gen. Andrey Kolesnikov, believed to be the commander of the 29th Combined Arms Army.
"The Russian invaders continue to lose their officers in the war against Ukraine," Ukraine's armed forces tweeted as it announced the general's purported death.
https://www.businessinsider.com/third-russian-general-killed-invasion-ukraine-claims-2022-3
Ocelot II
(115,683 posts)that know where and when to get at these officers. One general killed could be an accident; two might be coincidence; but three? They know where these guys are.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)It's as if it's Russian general hunting season in Ukraine.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)It happens.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)I hadn't considered that, but it is within the realm of possibilities here.
cojoel
(957 posts)From the Twilight Zone Movie
Atticus
(15,124 posts)the Big Kahunas went forward to kick ass and take names.
As the saying goes: they "fucked around and found out" and now they're worm chow.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,036 posts)And take direct field command. Which is unprecedented.
Once out in the open like this, Ukraine snipers get them. Some here suggest there might be some fragging going on. Troops who are hungry, cold, no fuel, lied to and worthless paychecks might want some revenge. Especially if the officers are being verbally and physically abusive to them.
Yes the Ukraine intelligence services are excellent. Their snipers are pretty good too.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)Putin is furious and sending them in. Since then I've also read their communications in Ukraine aren't secure. Apparently for some reason their secure communication isn't working there for some beautiful reason. I hope that's true and we see more of these generals and high level officers being picked off.
Irish_Dem
(47,036 posts)And the phone calls to his generals.
Yes the Russian comm systems seem lacking. That is how some of the Ukraine military intelligence officers are finding the generals, then sending in the sniper team and taking care of business.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)so they're forced to use insecure communications, which the Ukrainians have a field day with. This the high-ranking officers are forced to go forward to communicate and control troop movement.
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)The military was forced to use the unencrypted lines of communication after their own attacks on 3G towers broke the Russian government-built 'Era cryptophone' that was meant to be used to communicate.
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ukraine-russian-militarys-own-encrypted-phones-impacted-after-destroying-3g4g-towers-allowing-comms-to-be-intercepted/
herding cats
(19,564 posts)I heard they had secure communication problems, but wasn't aware they'd done it to their own selves. That's just divine Justice at its finest.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)sarisataka
(18,638 posts)Where are they being killed? At the front, while traveling, at command posts, rear areas...
How are they being killed? Drones, snipers, artillery, front line combat, heart attacks...
Cattledog
(5,914 posts)Bev54
(10,052 posts)Chainfire
(17,536 posts)Russia has a long history of that. The Germans had a similar ailment, I think it is called Rommellitis. It looks a lot better in print if he died defending Mother Russia, then getting a bullet in the neck for failure.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Sending commanders to the front to direct the soldiers?
I think I read that the Russian took out the towers that would allow them to communicate.
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UTUSN
(70,686 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)killing returning prisoners of war veterans.
Deep State Witch
(10,425 posts)Gotta wonder if Gen. Kolesnikov was shot from behind by disgruntled troops.
albacore
(2,398 posts)"Why are you dodging like this? They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
I suspect there is some serious sniping going on. Not supposed to salute officers in the field, but the arrival of a general or other high-ranking officer causes everybody to turn and look. Just shoot the central figure.
With modern sniper rifles, a mile is within range.