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Vlad could declare victory and leave at any moment (Original Post) lindysalsagal Mar 2022 OP
I think it's more likely he'd retreat to Donbas. patphil Mar 2022 #1
It doesn't look like the other European countries are in a rush to get Ukraine into either group. marie999 Mar 2022 #3
All of the Nazi's are gone! Mme. Defarge Mar 2022 #2
Putin can't. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2022 #4
K&R, Putrid will insist on Donbas and Crimea uponit7771 Mar 2022 #5
He could, but I suspect Ukrainian forces would chase them from Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #6

patphil

(6,169 posts)
1. I think it's more likely he'd retreat to Donbas.
Fri Mar 11, 2022, 03:38 PM
Mar 2022

He could dig in there and make holding it a condition of a "cease fire".
That could be why Putin's trying to bring in all these additional resources...to strengthen his currently very weak hand.
He could then claim victory and save face with his people.
If that happens, Ukraine should immediately get NATO and EU membership.
Otherwise Putin will take another bite later, especially if the Republicans win the Presidency in 2024.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
3. It doesn't look like the other European countries are in a rush to get Ukraine into either group.
Fri Mar 11, 2022, 03:42 PM
Mar 2022

Eyeball_Kid

(7,430 posts)
4. Putin can't.
Fri Mar 11, 2022, 03:44 PM
Mar 2022

He's already told the Russian nation that Ukraine isn't a country and its citizens are really Russians. He's negated recognition of Ukraine and can't now back down and say or imply the opposite without losing enormous credibility with Russians, including the oligarchs and the military.

Authoritarianism is what rules Russia. Putin is the ultimate authority. Failure is as unacceptable as admitting that Ukraine is a separate nation. Putin's entire life and status rests with the myth of invincibility. It's absolute. Either he wins everything or he loses everything.

Notice his "negotiating" position: He will stop destroying Ukraine and killing its people if he gets Crimea and the eastern provinces. He only negotiates if he wins. And from his previous gutting of agreements and treaties, he's a known liar who has no good-faith bargaining position with anyone. So we know that he has no intention of leaving Ukraine alone if he can annex some of its country at no further cost. He wants to reconstitute the USSR and only sees these annexations as a small step toward the bigger leap. Again: Putin is a BAD-FAITH NEGOTIATOR. IOW, He's not qualified to negotiate in good faith.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
6. He could, but I suspect Ukrainian forces would chase them from Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk.
Fri Mar 11, 2022, 04:22 PM
Mar 2022

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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