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EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
Fri Mar 11, 2022, 05:43 PM Mar 2022

"Duck & Cover!" It actually wasn't bad advice despite all the mocking it gets.

Yes if you are within a mile or 2 of ground zero it would not help, but the further away you get, in the 5 to 10 mile range it could be life saving. 1st to save you from flash burns and then to to save you from flying glass.

More people will be outside the total destruction zone then in it, at 8 to 14 miles from a one megaton explosion flying glass and flash burns will be the biggest danger, at 14 miles the shockwave will already have dropped to 1 psi, .5psi at 21 miles. And most modern nukes are more in the 200kt range due to size and weight restrictions in the nosecone.

"But I'd rather die right away!" you say... Unfortunately at ranges over 5 miles you aren't going to unless you are unlucky/lucky, but you will get terrible burns and terrible glass shards imbedded in you, I don't think that's the way you want to go, you can always pick a easier less painful way out later.

A 1 megaton explosion will have a 200psi shockwave at .5 miles but that drops to 15psi at 2.2 miles and 5psi @ 5.5miles (which is still enough to collapse wood frame houses)

All figures taken from my copy of "Life After Doomsday-Survivalists Guide to Nuclear War" Paladin Press; 1st Edition (January 1, 1980) Still some used copies on Amazon.

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"Duck & Cover!" It actually wasn't bad advice despite all the mocking it gets. (Original Post) EX500rider Mar 2022 OP
I read that a website showing blast radius scenarios recently crashed from too much traffic. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2022 #1
My elementary school... IrishAfricanAmerican Mar 2022 #2
That must have been a loud school. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #3
When they were running ops... IrishAfricanAmerican Mar 2022 #4
yeah that close you will be ashes in seconds but the further you go the better that advice is nt EX500rider Mar 2022 #5
Partially Agree ProfessorGAC Mar 2022 #6
Strangely enough it depends on the size of the weapon with smaller being worse/faster EX500rider Mar 2022 #7
How Close Are We? ProfessorGAC Mar 2022 #8

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
1. I read that a website showing blast radius scenarios recently crashed from too much traffic.
Fri Mar 11, 2022, 05:48 PM
Mar 2022

I read that while searching for websites showing blast radius scenarios.

IrishAfricanAmerican

(3,815 posts)
2. My elementary school...
Fri Mar 11, 2022, 06:06 PM
Mar 2022

was about 500 yards from the runways on a USAF SAC base. That we would all be vapor was never in doubt.


 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
3. That must have been a loud school.
Fri Mar 11, 2022, 06:11 PM
Mar 2022

I lived on a SAC base, and my barracks were pretty noisy sometimes, but we weren’t in an educational type situation.

IrishAfricanAmerican

(3,815 posts)
4. When they were running ops...
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 02:00 AM
Mar 2022

it was indeed very loud. The Vietnam war, (carpet bombing,) was going on so, yes, a lot of activity.


ProfessorGAC

(65,001 posts)
6. Partially Agree
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 03:03 PM
Mar 2022

I agree in would help avoid debris injuries.
However, in those old promos, they specifically stated "If you see the flash...".
Too late to avoid flash burns at that point.
If a plan was to get below windows as a detonation was imminent, than they'd be onto something.

EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
7. Strangely enough it depends on the size of the weapon with smaller being worse/faster
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 03:15 PM
Mar 2022

A 20kt device releases it's thermal pulse in a 1/3 of a second. A megaton weapon on the other hand releases it's thermal pulse in a period of 5 to 20 seconds. Also depends on the weather as a bomb detonated above the cloud layer will have much reduced thermal flash due to reflection/scattering effects while one that goes off under the clouds will have increased effect.

(from Table 4.1 in the above mentioned book...which I hoped I'd never have to dust off...or check the batteries in my CD Geiger Counter)

ProfessorGAC

(65,001 posts)
8. How Close Are We?
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 04:01 PM
Mar 2022

I read that as the length of time the light pulse last. Because of the "slow" reaction rate of the fusion chain, the conditions for that nuclear reaction last longer. Hence a longer period of light.
The flash burns are caused by uV, XRay, and intensity of visible light.
The power of the weapon has nothing to do with the speed of light. So, at 10 miles the light still gets there in a bit more than a half millisecond.
I grant that if folks ducked after the flash they might miss 10 seconds of hot light. Possibly good.
But, if fission bombs caused flash burns in 1/3rd of a second, so would the light from a fusion bomb. It's just that said light might last 50 times longer.
Better to be slightly burned that badly burned, I suppose.

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