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Democracy Now (Original Post) prodigitalson Mar 2022 OP
Links ? Tetrachloride Mar 2022 #1
Look harder... prodigitalson Mar 2022 #4
I will take your word for it that it exists Tetrachloride Mar 2022 #5
Why? In time of war, question everything. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #6
There we have it. I revert to my original status. Tetrachloride Mar 2022 #8
I just read the article, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #9
Thank you for doing a deep dive Doc Sportello Mar 2022 #15
I have been tear gassed and clubbed protesting Bush' s wars prodigitalson Mar 2022 #17
I stopped paying attention to Democracy Now and a lot of other supposed "progressive" sites betsuni Mar 2022 #2
Who do you go to? gab13by13 Mar 2022 #7
Books. betsuni Mar 2022 #12
Excellent choice, I also read a lot. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #13
China and Russia loathe democratic forms of government. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #3
Putin uses the very freedoms and openness afforded under democratic systems to destroy sop Mar 2022 #10
Exactly. He uses our strengths to destroy us. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #11
Isn't it ironic, and sad, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #14
Yep. johnp3907 Mar 2022 #16

Tetrachloride

(7,835 posts)
1. Links ?
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 07:49 AM
Mar 2022

i went over to their website. The headlines appear to be all pro Ukraine.

That is to say, on first glance, I found zero evidence that Democracy Now is akin to Russia Today

gab13by13

(21,319 posts)
6. Why? In time of war, question everything.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 08:13 AM
Mar 2022

I don't for a minute believe that Democracy Now pushes Russian propaganda unless I see proof.

Tetrachloride

(7,835 posts)
8. There we have it. I revert to my original status.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 08:24 AM
Mar 2022

As painful as it may be, a link or quotation is important

then we can call them out or whatever shoe fits

gab13by13

(21,319 posts)
9. I just read the article,
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 08:54 AM
Mar 2022

it was an Amy Goodman interview with Andrew Bacevich, president of an antiwar think tank, the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft. I will add he is also pushing a book he wrote. He is a retired colonel Vietnam war veteran.

I totally understand bashing the interview because he claims pushing Ukraine into joining NATO bears some responsibility for Putin's attack on Ukraine. He does admit that Russia alone is responsible but insinuates that pushing Ukraine to join NATO was an underlying cause. Amy Goodman pushed back on his claim by quoting president Zelenskyy's statements regarding NATO. Those Zelenskyy statements pretty much shot down what Bacevich was trying to infer.

I totally understand bashing this interview, I totally disagree with Bacevich, but Democracy Now host Amy Goodman did shoot down most of his arguments.

I looked at the headlines from Democracy Now's other articles and could see none of the dozens of other articles that appeared to be controversial. The article you cite is indeed controversial.

I will add that Bacevich brought up the innocent civilians who were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, an inconvenient truth that Americans would not like to discuss at the present moment.

Doc Sportello

(7,514 posts)
15. Thank you for doing a deep dive
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:35 AM
Mar 2022

In crisis situations some either lose perspective or use it to push an agenda, such as attacking or misconstruing the motives of those who they don't like because of their stances on other issues.

prodigitalson

(2,409 posts)
17. I have been tear gassed and clubbed protesting Bush' s wars
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 02:00 AM
Mar 2022

But two wrongs don't make a right. And many in the left (and I am one) are simply trying to change the subject .

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
2. I stopped paying attention to Democracy Now and a lot of other supposed "progressive" sites
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 07:50 AM
Mar 2022

by 2015 or so because of pro-Russia anti-America (meaning anti-Democratic Party) bullshit.

gab13by13

(21,319 posts)
13. Excellent choice, I also read a lot.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:41 AM
Mar 2022

I would rather watch Democracy Now than cable news if I had to pick.

NPR is the one that has fallen downhill.

Irish_Dem

(46,962 posts)
3. China and Russia loathe democratic forms of government.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 07:55 AM
Mar 2022

They have ruthless total power and can suck as much money out of their countries as possible. Putin is very guilty of this.

They know in a democracy they would lose power.

However Putin has shown us that he can corrupt democracies and make them autocratic fascist states as well.

sop

(10,166 posts)
10. Putin uses the very freedoms and openness afforded under democratic systems to destroy
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 08:54 AM
Mar 2022

democracies from within. 

gab13by13

(21,319 posts)
14. Isn't it ironic, and sad,
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:45 AM
Mar 2022

that the Magats who run, drive, around the country protesting imaginary threats to them in the name of freedom, are going to lose their freedom under an autocratic government. Sawing off the branch they are sitting on isn't a strong enough analogy.

johnp3907

(3,730 posts)
16. Yep.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:45 AM
Mar 2022

The same element that used to say “Quit making up lies about kindly old Uncle Joe Stalin” are now saying “Quit picking on poor little Pooty Pants.” Such useful idiots.

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