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DFW

(54,370 posts)
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 08:30 AM Mar 2022

My Saturday report from the Ukrainian front(s)

Our Ukrainian friend is here again for Brunch.

Keep in mind this is definitely a one-sided report. Our friend is a Ukrainian patriot through and through, and both he and his wife still have family in-country. Also, remember that our friend served with the Soviet Army in Afghanistan, and is familiar with the different ways in which the two armies are organized.

He noted that even the western media have picked up on the fact that several Russian Generals have been killed on the battlefield. He says that the Ukrainian army's generals are not sent into the field, as they don't get to be generals until they are adept at planning and strategy. They are needed at the central command, not in the field. He said the Russian tactic of sending generals into the field is a tactic from World War II, when their needs and objectives were very different. Here, the Russians are the attackers, not the defenders.

He also noted with some puzzlement the western attention being focused on Zelensky. As he (and I) metioned before, in other posts, the Russians focus on the personalty cult of their "fearless leader," where the Ukrainians focus of cause and country. He noted that if Putin were to disappear tomorrow, the country's domestic and foreign policy would be in total disarray. If Zelensky were to disappear tomorrow, nothing in their loves would change much.

In the field, there have been the following developments: Russian fighter/bomber jets that have been fatally hit by anti-aircraft fire have ejector seats, as do all such planes. However, curiously, in the past week, the parachutes of three pilots that ejected failed to open. He said that even one such instance is an incident worthy of note. He said that two in a week practically defies belief. Three in a week (as with last week) went beyond being able to be explained as a accident. Russia doesn't want its pilots talking. Period. Not about what they were told is their mission, what their orders were, or what they even knew about what they had been told to do. In the Ukraine, itself, word is getting around that Russia is sabotaging the parachutes of its fighter planes to make sure that any pilot ejecting will never talk. That is certainly one way to do it. But there is no doubt in Ukrainian minds (probably Russian minds, either) that Putin is ruthless enough to prefer dead pilots to talking pilots. This, on the other hand, gives pilots with non-lethal engine trouble a huge incentive to land on a Ukrainian-controlled airfield, hand over their orders, their planes, and themselves. It certainly beats hitting the ground at an accumulated 32 feet per second per second from several thousand feet up.

Russian tank convoys have been traveling mostly on long straight lines. Maybe the roads don't permit anything else, but now that the Ukrainians have received some serious anti-tank weapons, they have been adept at stopping some of these tank columns with the simple tactic of lying in wait for them, taking out the first and last tanks in the column, thus immobilizing forward and backward movement, and then picking off the rest of them. They have to do this at a dangerously (to them) close range, so it has to be done quickly and efficiently. The tanks are lethal at close range unless disabled before they can focus on their attackers.

It has to be noted these are reports of battles won, not the war. Plus, the stories that the Ukrainians send to their friends in Germany, will naturally be stories of Russian cruelty and Ukrainian successes. He will not dwell on the suffering of civilian populations or setbacks that any Ukrainian unit may suffer. Still, their morale is high, and they are determined to fight. They know the Russian public is being fed BS news because they let Russian soldiers call home, and hear what the families say to their sons. Some families are relieved, but some say "how could bring this shame on us?" The propaganda is so pervasive, that one poor kid, when he described surviving after the rest of his unit was a gruesome collection of body parts, got a nasty "well, then why are YOU still alive?" from his family on the phone.If enough of these stories filter down to the ranks, Putin will be looking at some serious defections before long. Orders will filter down, and executions of Russians by Russians will be a daily experience.

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My Saturday report from the Ukrainian front(s) (Original Post) DFW Mar 2022 OP
I love the Ukranian people! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #1
Thanks for this. panader0 Mar 2022 #2
In a largely conscripted Army, the loss ratio before revolt can be low - probably 30% - 40%. Tommymac Mar 2022 #3
Gonna be some fracking pretty soon. multigraincracker Mar 2022 #13
It's fragging, not fracking. N/T Bantamfancier Mar 2022 #31
Ty multigraincracker Mar 2022 #53
Fracking might be entertaining COL Mustard Mar 2022 #57
Babylon 5 fans maybe. BGBD Mar 2022 #67
Understanding one three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth. Habitation Mar 2022 #76
He arrested them? mahina Mar 2022 #80
Thanks for posting. Liberal In Texas Mar 2022 #4
Necessarily anecdotal, of course, but a valuable perspective nonetheless. DFW Mar 2022 #8
Also it seems this is a war against our western culture mountain grammy Mar 2022 #21
Wow, Russia has its own brand of Magat. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #5
Putin has exclusive media rights at this point. DFW Mar 2022 #9
This was the one debatable aspect since there are reports Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #10
He's here almost every Saturday DFW Mar 2022 #18
If you have any fears at all for his safety, you might want to change up routines. davsand Mar 2022 #60
We have a tight neighborhood here DFW Mar 2022 #63
I've always felt DU was a good resource because of the personal observations here! davsand Mar 2022 #69
Like anyone else's observations DFW Mar 2022 #70
That report made me think of the line "with your shield or on it" mentality. niyad Mar 2022 #39
Tho it'd be normal for indoctrinated "patriots" to resist and deny truth, Hortensis Mar 2022 #44
Wthitmwm? NJCher Mar 2022 #6
Never heard of anything as cold and calculating... How Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #15
Not only withholding PPE, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #35
That was the reason... Wounded Bear Mar 2022 #56
Yup. How about telling America Covid wasn't real and not to protect Hortensis Mar 2022 #45
+1, uponit7771 Mar 2022 #48
how do you rank cold, calculating in-power serial killers? NJCher Mar 2022 #54
Yikes. Sorry Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #81
I'm so totally with you, NJCher. Holy shit. BComplex Mar 2022 #32
That really got to me. crickets Mar 2022 #73
I think it's probably incompetence in the Russian Air Force COL Mustard Mar 2022 #59
That's what I was thinking, too. wnylib Mar 2022 #62
I know that in the Russian Army COL Mustard Mar 2022 #65
I agree Myrddin Mar 2022 #86
Agreed Sgent Mar 2022 #91
Let's hope the ineptness of the ground forces around Kyiv continues. Lonestarblue Mar 2022 #7
He hasn't mentioned Mariupol DFW Mar 2022 #11
Putin's Russia is like some science fiction dystopia. Killing his own pilots, and families wishing Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #12
We definitely do. No one is immune to an all-pervasive evil media DFW Mar 2022 #14
The influence of the internet on this was, at one time, too new for us to realize its ramifications. Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #16
Well said. BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #34
Thank you for these insightful reports. msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #17
This will be the last (from him, anyway) for a couple of weeks DFW Mar 2022 #19
Indeed, not a bad thing to take our minds off it for a few. msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #25
Thanks! Actually, our Ukie friend is the one who is going on vacation. DFW Mar 2022 #58
Well I'm just an hour drive north of SFO :) If you're having to lay over, lemme know! msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #83
I'm fearing that the failure of the russian ground forces will lead putin to use CW. erronis Mar 2022 #20
RE the parachutes, more than likely their air force is no better maintained Strelnikov_ Mar 2022 #22
On the other hand, this is a conspiracy theory worth promoting! Strelnikov_ Mar 2022 #24
+1 Deminpenn Mar 2022 #89
That was my first reaction as well PatSeg Mar 2022 #30
The product of a corrupt, anti-democratic, one party state - lurking Republicans take note n/t Strelnikov_ Mar 2022 #36
The kind of state that republicans dream of PatSeg Mar 2022 #51
Either chewed by rats, or swapped for working spare parts to sell on the black market. eppur_se_muova Mar 2022 #40
Have to remember that one. Strelnikov_ Mar 2022 #47
He found it extremely suspicious, but not conclusive DFW Mar 2022 #61
The parachutes are part of the seat usually afaik Deminpenn Mar 2022 #90
K&R 2naSalit Mar 2022 #23
K & R Thanks for posting FakeNoose Mar 2022 #26
John Wayne heroic? keithhs28 Mar 2022 #64
Thank you for sharing this. yardwork Mar 2022 #27
Umhm. Authoritarian followers need authoritarian leaders, it's their nature. Hortensis Mar 2022 #46
All good points. yardwork Mar 2022 #52
Yes. Most liberals are mostly about issues, and principles whether Hortensis Mar 2022 #79
Danke Fuer Deinem Bericht FrankTC Mar 2022 #28
Thank you, DFW. Putin. Worst killer of his own military pilots and generals. ancianita Mar 2022 #29
Yep, one chute not opening is weird... paleotn Mar 2022 #33
Question Tbear Mar 2022 #37
Use your radio to communicate your intentions. Nt reACTIONary Mar 2022 #75
thanks for the information. a friend in eurozone has been listening to the conflicts comms AllaN01Bear Mar 2022 #38
Thank you for these reports, DFW. Distressing on so many levels, yet hopeful in niyad Mar 2022 #41
talked to my friend in Biebrich two days ago Kali Mar 2022 #42
Big, good job. One thing, remembering the Merkel government's Hortensis Mar 2022 #49
We both noted the different reactions of citizens Kali Mar 2022 #68
Yes. No nation is. It's very human. Hortensis Mar 2022 #78
Maybe that could have something to do I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #87
Kick dalton99a Mar 2022 #43
American journalism overdoes the "hero" meme. milestogo Mar 2022 #50
Russian pilot: "I'm in an airplane. I don't HAVE to land in Russia... " n/t TygrBright Mar 2022 #55
That reminds me of an incident that happened back in the seventies with the Soviet air force. DFW Mar 2022 #66
Right up there with "Russian warship, go ride a dick!" isn't it? Cultural continuity... n/t TygrBright Mar 2022 #71
One minor detail DFW Mar 2022 #72
Generals on the field sorta makes sense qazplm135 Mar 2022 #74
There are several noteworthy points you bring up, not least it caused me to consider AMERICA's... Hekate Mar 2022 #77
Sure, but I have no idea how that is done DFW Mar 2022 #88
The Geneva Convention requires giving any pilot ejected pilot from a damaged plane medical aid. Malmsy Mar 2022 #82
Going to clip and share the portion about the pilots thank you tiredtoo Mar 2022 #84
Taking Out The First And Last Tanks In The Column DallasNE Mar 2022 #85
Thanks for update burrowowl Mar 2022 #92

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
3. In a largely conscripted Army, the loss ratio before revolt can be low - probably 30% - 40%.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 08:59 AM
Mar 2022

Depends on the overall morale - and it seems conscripted Russian troops' morale is falling.

This anecdotal evidence above bears this out.

Putin is in trouble as ABC is reporting the loss ration at an astounding 20% KWM. The conscripts are perhaps ready to break. His arrest of 8 Generals and other members of Russian leadership can be seen as an attempt to forestall the mutiny.

Keep it up Ukraine - you are holding on so far, in fact doing better then that.

Habitation

(5,644 posts)
76. Understanding one three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 04:17 PM
Mar 2022

"Understanding one three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth."

DFW

(54,370 posts)
8. Necessarily anecdotal, of course, but a valuable perspective nonetheless.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:39 AM
Mar 2022

This guy learned a healthy disrespect for Russian conscripts while serving with his Ukrainian unit in Afghanistan some 40 years ago. Since all the top commanders were Russian, and many of the units in the field were Ukrainian, he got a first-hand look at the differences between the two as well. And he's in touch with his friends and relatives there as much as possible, as you might imagine.

His German is good, and when we are at the table, we speak only German, as my wife doesn't understand Russian. I don't speak Ukrainian, which is close to Polish than to Russian, but his Russian is fluent, of course, so that's what we speak 75% of the time when it's just the two of us.

By the way, I got a little insight as to why the Republicans don't like the Ukrainians (they love Joe Biden).

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
21. Also it seems this is a war against our western culture
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:16 AM
Mar 2022

of equality and inclusiveness, especially when it's about people who are LGBTQ.. the statement from the Russian Orthodox priest was chilling and is echoed by fanatic Christians in America and elsewhere, many in the highest positions of power.
I hope your friend stays safe and Ukrainians continue to resist with all their might.

gab13by13

(21,333 posts)
5. Wow, Russia has its own brand of Magat.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:30 AM
Mar 2022

A parent asking a son why aren't you dead is incomprehensible to me.

Russian lady on Chris Hayes confirmed that Russian TV propaganda is even better than Fox.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
10. This was the one debatable aspect since there are reports
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:40 AM
Mar 2022

out there that Russian parents are very angry that Putin sent their children as " human cannonballs"


To DFW... Thanks for posting this. Very interesting!!

DFW

(54,370 posts)
18. He's here almost every Saturday
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:05 AM
Mar 2022

He has SO much to tell us, this time I wantrd to post before I forgot half of it, since there will be no report next Saturday.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
60. If you have any fears at all for his safety, you might want to change up routines.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 01:46 PM
Mar 2022

You've been very careful to protect your friend's personal information here at DU--which I think is a good idea. I would urge you all to consider not keeping a regular pattern of his visits/dinner dates. One of the first things security experts warn anyone potentially at risk is to change up routine patterns. Probably my own paranoia here, but I thought I'd mention it.

Thank you for sharing this information about your conversations with us!

DFW

(54,370 posts)
63. We have a tight neighborhood here
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 02:00 PM
Mar 2022

People come and go, especially on weekends. They also stop by during the week. No one wears their national flags on their back, so unless someone is already looking for him, he and his wife have nothing to fear. None of our visitors have their nationalities painted on their backs, although the people from NL do have Dutch license plates, which are very different from German ones. Our Ukie friend is almost sixty, has a German residence permit and drives a car with German plates.

In such situations, I figure word from the place where it is happening can't hurt so we can get a tiny sliver of the reality to go along with CNN and Faux. Sure, it'll be a little biased, but it's real, too.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
69. I've always felt DU was a good resource because of the personal observations here!
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 02:40 PM
Mar 2022

Seems like whenever something major is going on, news stories are limited to whatever information is at hand for the news crew in that specific location. Not slamming the news reporters at all, but there may be additional or even contradicting info available from different witnesses or experts just a few blocks away. DU has always seemed to have experts or witnesses available to lend additional information! It's been critical, IMO, any number of times. Certainly, the information you've been able to share here has been that way! Again, thank you!

Blessings to you and your friend!


Laura

DFW

(54,370 posts)
70. Like anyone else's observations
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 02:46 PM
Mar 2022

This is just one man telling his story, but it's one you won't hear on Fox or CNN, so I thought I's pass it on.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. Tho it'd be normal for indoctrinated "patriots" to resist and deny truth,
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 11:42 AM
Mar 2022

as we see here all the time now. Russia's not only skilled at subverting American minds.

Guessing the family who asked nastily is more likely to have been expressing disbelief -- at least more families would, and for this poor guy's sake I hope his was.

NJCher

(35,663 posts)
6. Wthitmwm?
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:36 AM
Mar 2022

What the hell is the matter with me?

When I read your paragraph about the pilot flight seats failing to eject, I was so stunned and horrified I could barely read more.

I don’t think I’ve heard of anything so cold and calculating. One should expect this at this point. It is hard to wrap my head around a person so evil.

This is another way Putin is like trump. They think of things most people would never think of.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
15. Never heard of anything as cold and calculating... How
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:51 AM
Mar 2022

About trump purposely hiding covid from the public and withholding PPE at his whim. And Congressional Committee concluding he did that and the story dying by the end of the day.

Wounded Bear

(58,649 posts)
56. That was the reason...
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 01:17 PM
Mar 2022

they had to slow down shipments until they could figure out how to monetize it for themselves.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. Yup. How about telling America Covid wasn't real and not to protect
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 11:46 AM
Mar 2022

ourselves, while Republicans in congress blocked action there, tRump in the WH, and megadonors adjusted investments to make money from the pandemic. (BIG! money.)

America passed a million dead this year.

NJCher

(35,663 posts)
54. how do you rank cold, calculating in-power serial killers?
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 12:59 PM
Mar 2022

Shall we start a list? 1. Hitler 2. et al

I think if you want to do that, though, start another thread.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
81. Yikes. Sorry
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 06:50 PM
Mar 2022

Last edited Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:00 PM - Edit history (1)

No this is not a contest. All crimes against humanity horrific. But trump's PROVEN crimes against humanity hardly got a peep out of the press and the world. And just saw a poll where President Biden is tied with this mass murderer for 2024. Which for those of us who were victim is infuriating.

BComplex

(8,049 posts)
32. I'm so totally with you, NJCher. Holy shit.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:48 AM
Mar 2022

I just sat there shaking my head as I read DFW's whole report. A MOTHER??? Saying that to her son? MAGAts are everywhere!

crickets

(25,969 posts)
73. That really got to me.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 03:49 PM
Mar 2022

How could any parent ever say something like that to their child?

And the parachutes. No words.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
59. I think it's probably incompetence in the Russian Air Force
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 01:38 PM
Mar 2022

Rather than malfeasance that’s leading to the ejection seat failures. It sucks for the pilots though.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
62. That's what I was thinking, too.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 01:54 PM
Mar 2022

Wasn't it a failure of chutes to open instead of seats failing to eject? I'm thinking that cutting financial corners and skimming off the top resulted in shoddy workmanship in the manufacture of the parachutes.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
65. I know that in the Russian Army
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 02:03 PM
Mar 2022

Airborne and Spetnaz units, troops pack their own parachutes. That way, if there’s a problem , the paratroopers know who to blame.

Myrddin

(327 posts)
86. I agree
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:03 AM
Mar 2022

Given the reports of shoddy/ under-resourced maintenance in the Russian military, it wouldn't surprise me.

I wasn't an armourer (egress) tech in the RAF, but I was familiar with the complexity of ejection systems.

The precision sequence of controlled explosions that occur from the pilot pulling the handle, to the main çhute deploying, require exacting maintenance, and workmanship - or they will fail. Also, as one armourer pointed out to a younger me, "we don't have the luxury of performing a functional test, the only test it gets is when it actually has to bang-out the pilot".

Those systems could fail, quite easily, if the maintenance is even 'slightly' degraded.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
91. Agreed
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 08:06 AM
Mar 2022

Pilot ejection systems are much more complex than just a parachute for an Airborne trooper. Bad maintenance makes more sense to me.

Lonestarblue

(9,986 posts)
7. Let's hope the ineptness of the ground forces around Kyiv continues.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:38 AM
Mar 2022

Losing control of the capitol city could be devastating to morale. Does your friend have any hope for the people of Mariupol? Their situation seems most dire and certainly not the first time Russians have starved Ukrainians to death.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
11. He hasn't mentioned Mariupol
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:42 AM
Mar 2022

I haven't asked why, but it could be for the simple reason that he has no contact with anyone there. He and his family (and his wife's family) are all from the Kyiv region.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
12. Putin's Russia is like some science fiction dystopia. Killing his own pilots, and families wishing
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:43 AM
Mar 2022

their children died in a war that serves no purpose but stroking a man-child's ego.

This is what evil looks like. It is not only Putin, the seed of it. It is also the complicity of the mindless acceptance of obvious bullshit by a lazy populace.

And these days, we need to guard against both those things.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
14. We definitely do. No one is immune to an all-pervasive evil media
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:49 AM
Mar 2022

State-owned or not, if their audience is wide enough, and their motives evil enough, they are a cancer on the host country, and not one easily eradicated.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
16. The influence of the internet on this was, at one time, too new for us to realize its ramifications.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:55 AM
Mar 2022

We can't be using that excuse any more.

EVERYONE needs to be aware of how destructive social media has become and they need to demand that companies like Facebook and Twitter stop the spread on their platforms of false information.

But I truly fear that there are too many among us who value convenience over the well-being of the world. These people will keep the platforms churning out nonsense information to be snapped up by the cynical and the stupid among us. And it seems inevitable that the cynical and stupid will use the nonsense to destroy us if they are not stopped.

And that ain't hyperbole.

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
17. Thank you for these insightful reports.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:00 AM
Mar 2022

As as fascinating. The thing about failed ejector seats via sabotaging per Putin's orders is indeed almost beyond belief, except if one understands the mind of a psychopath as a Commander in Chief. Which I do not, except to know they are vicious, diabolical, cruel, and unpredictable on the one hand, and totally predictable on the other. Predictable in general terms (end game/strategy) unpredictable in specifics. (tactics). And Desperate to "win" at ALL COST.

That particular point has me in a state of great angst.

I find myself barely "checking in" briefly to events in the early morning, but tuning it all out for the rest of the day. I don't think I could get any sleep otherwise. Which is a problem for me generally.





Again thank you and l look forward to reading more of your reports. It's helpful and gives me hope.






DFW

(54,370 posts)
19. This will be the last (from him, anyway) for a couple of weeks
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:09 AM
Mar 2022

He and his wife are trying to get away for a small vacation next week, and anyway, we have a birthday party here next Saturday that will take up our attention for the day/weekend. People coming in from Holland, Austria and several parts of Germany.

Maybe not a bad thing to take our minds off it for a day or two, either.

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
25. Indeed, not a bad thing to take our minds off it for a few.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:28 AM
Mar 2022

I am so grateful I have pressing music commitments to turn my attention and energy to...

Enjoy family and friends and will look for ya in a few weeks.

Stay well.




DFW

(54,370 posts)
58. Thanks! Actually, our Ukie friend is the one who is going on vacation.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 01:34 PM
Mar 2022

I still work for a living! Although.....

Full disclosure: my wife and I will celebrate our 40th wedding anniversary less than a month later. We were trying to think of a good place to do it. We're kind of spread out, with us in Düsseldorf, one daughter in Frankfurt and the other in New York City. I was, romantic that I am, thinking of the Seychelles. We haven't been there since 1980. But our daughter in NYC just got her first child last April, and we couldn't bring ourselves to ask her to make THAT kind of a trip with a 1 year old. Our younger daughter had gone to school on the Big Island of Hawai'i for two years, and suggested that. We said it was certainly something to consider. Never EVER say something that vague to a star lawyer. Next thing we knew, she had already made the reservations, booked the flights, etc. It's a pain in the ass to get to from here. An 11 hour flight to San Francisco, then immigration and customs, and then another six hour flight to Kona. It's twelve time zones from here--exactly halfway around the world. Any farther, and we start to come back from the other direction.

But what the hell, we're only gonna have one 40th anniversary, and with my genetics, the chances of 50 are iffy at best. We met eight years before we got married, so this is really closer to 50 than 40 anyway, right?

All that is to say--I'll be around until April 8th.

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
83. Well I'm just an hour drive north of SFO :) If you're having to lay over, lemme know!
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 08:24 PM
Mar 2022

My daughter in law is from Holland, and the family has a flat Da Hague. Until Covid they made visits annually. Don't know if they're making plans for this summer or not (Educators) but on one of these trips, I'm supposed to make with them because I've never been.

But when I think about 10 hours flight time ugh! That's with a direct flight, I think. I guess I could manage it. but seriously I get too damn restless on flights just from coast to coast! Musician friends of mine travel there and Sweden and Norway or the occasional trip to Australia. (18 hours!)

I just can't imagine schlepping violins and other instruments on these trips at my age... too much! Alasdair on an occasion wasn't allowed to carry his violin on board, so he checked in the empty case, and strapped his arms around his Guarnieri held it tightly to his chest and boarded that way.

I'll be checking for your updates whenever you can manage it.

Cheers!



erronis

(15,241 posts)
20. I'm fearing that the failure of the russian ground forces will lead putin to use CW.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:15 AM
Mar 2022

Chemical warfare - just like he did to prop up another psychopath, Syria's Bashar al-Assad.

The russians have already started with the cluster bombs and thermobaric weapons - both are indiscriminate killers - not targeted at military units.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
22. RE the parachutes, more than likely their air force is no better maintained
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:19 AM
Mar 2022

than their ground forces.

To sabotage the parachutes would be too large a conspiracy (mechanics), the pilots would know.

This is not a cult of personality like Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan. I don't believe the pilots would gladly die for their beloved Vlad.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
24. On the other hand, this is a conspiracy theory worth promoting!
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:23 AM
Mar 2022

One way to build an air force, captured planes.

Also spreads dissension through the ranks. Pilots not trusting mechanics, mechanics not trusting each other.

PatSeg

(47,421 posts)
30. That was my first reaction as well
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:37 AM
Mar 2022

I don't think this invasion was that well planned or organized, so I assumed the Russian military's equipment was poorly maintained or obsolete. The fact that they reportedly have been issued MREs that expired twenty years ago is pretty telling. I think Putin has been arrogant and disorganized.

PatSeg

(47,421 posts)
51. The kind of state that republicans dream of
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 12:39 PM
Mar 2022
“If this were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier... as long as I'm the dictator. Hehehe.” ― George W. Bush

They pay lip service to democracy, but at their core, they want one party rule.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
61. He found it extremely suspicious, but not conclusive
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 01:46 PM
Mar 2022

As a Ukrainian whose country is under brutal invasion by the Russians, he obviously is far more prepared to find the sabotage theory preferable to the incompetence theory. He is the one with military experience, and he said three such cases in a week just went beyond all credibility. He said, one--maybe. Two--unlikely. Three--never happen, not in one week. But maybe Putin's air force really WAS that unprepared, and there really WERE three defective chutes in the attacking planes. We'll never know, and that is probably all we'll ever know.

He likes to make a big difference between Russian culture and Ukrainian culture. He said Russians always wanted a "Führer," a leader, where Ukrainians preferred to swear their loyalty to their homeland, and not to one leader.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
90. The parachutes are part of the seat usually afaik
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 07:54 AM
Mar 2022

Only the outside hardward like latches, cords, pull rings, harness, etc can be checked. There's no way to know if that seat parachute has been correctly packed until the pilot has to eject from the plane.

I'd think pilots would check and maintain their own personal parachutes since they'd be individually fitted assuming Russian pilots wear one when flying.

FakeNoose

(32,637 posts)
26. K & R Thanks for posting
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:28 AM
Mar 2022

I guess the western fascination with Zelenskyy stems from the fact that the US offered to get him out of Ukraine a few weeks ago. Zelenskyy said no, he's staying there and he's fighting along with his countrymen. Well there's a good chance that he could die, but he refuses to run away. We find that courage admirable and heroic, even sort of John Wayne-ish. Maybe the Ukrainians aren't seeing the broadcasts that he's sending out to the rest of the world, so they don't realize it. There's plenty of heroism to go around in Ukraine.

I have no doubts that Ukrainian civilians are suffering horribly, and we're not hearing so much about it. Geneva Convention rules don't mean anything to the Russians. I'm sure they become ruthless bullies when they have the chance to harm unarmed citizens.

As far as the Russian soldiers defecting, I don't find it the least bit surprising. They should all defect when they get the chance. A lot of them were given poorly-made equipment and are untrained, with low-quality provisions. How can they continue in their loyalty to Putin after this awful mess? The fact that the Ukrainians and Russians speak (almost) the same language makes it easier to convince the Russian soldiers they're on the wrong side of this war. Even more true for the Russian pilots, if they already understand there's no way out of this alive.

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
27. Thank you for sharing this.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:32 AM
Mar 2022

Random thoughts -

The Cold War lasted a long time, and along the way the U. S. became like our adversary, as nations often do. The "cult of personality" approach took hold in the U.S., as did extreme, paranoid nationalism. That, in turn, has led to an American appetite for authoritarianism that is bewildering to us older folks, who remember when Republican rhetoric was... different.

Another random thought... I'm trying to put myself in the mind of the Russian person who is systematically, deliberately sabotaging the life-saving equipment of Russian pilots. It must be somebody who works closely with the pilots, somebody entrusted with ensuring the pilots' safety. A trusted member of their close-knit team, betraying them. At first it seems inconceivable, and then I remember how powerful ideology is as a motivator. The people doing this may fear reprisal if they don't follow orders, but it's entirely possible that they are motivated by a deep, overriding belief in the rightness of their actions.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. Umhm. Authoritarian followers need authoritarian leaders, it's their nature.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 11:58 AM
Mar 2022

They're a normal type among us, and some situations bring them and authoritarian mood itself into ascendance.

If the parachutes were sabotaged, rather than shoddy manufacture/maintenance, the hands on would most likely belong to a strong authoritarian "just following orders." Many would follow those orders, probably minimum 15% among us at any time. Authoritarian following has probably now risen toward 50% in the U.S., conceivably more adding in the fewer on LWers with authoritarian traits. Not to say that most of those would sabotage alone on orders; except if they were part of a righteously dutiful crowd receiving orders... History shows some will run away, most will obey because the others do.

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
52. All good points.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 12:42 PM
Mar 2022

I've known both left-wing and right-wing authoritarian seekers/followers. They have numerous traits in common. One trait is that they're convinced that their side is right and the other side is wrong. Republicans have used this trait very strategically. Whenever Democrats try to point out some basic truths, we get accused of being brainwashed and intolerant.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
79. Yes. Most liberals are mostly about issues, and principles whether
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 05:29 PM
Mar 2022

defined or not, with leaders mostly means to those ends.

Authoritarians, though, whoa! Horrible collection of traits that can become dangerous in mobs and the hands of bad leaders. I never read about the way their minds work without thanking gene pools and random couplings for at least saving me from that. Or read about some nation behaving really badly without knowing hard-core conservatives with probably a lot of people like them have gotten control.

FrankTC

(210 posts)
28. Danke Fuer Deinem Bericht
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:34 AM
Mar 2022

Hi DFW --

Thanks for your report. Please keep them coming (as you have time). It's great to have a European perspective. That bit of info about "malfunctioning" parachutes is fascinating. I remember being told, in a Russian literature class taken forty years ago, that the Russian mindset is different because of the influence of serfdom -- apparently a more ownership type of relationship between feudal lord and peasant than was extant in the west. I don't recall the details, but the instructor (fascinating guy, spoke ten or eleven languages fluently) said that the Russians still have a different understanding of the relationship between the top dogs and the rest of us. It certainly seems that they are amazingly comfortable with genocide. At least when we commit it, we present it as accidental or as regrettable collateral damage. The Russians don't even pretend. Or?

ancianita

(36,053 posts)
29. Thank you, DFW. Putin. Worst killer of his own military pilots and generals.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 10:34 AM
Mar 2022

The worst commander-in-chief in the world deserves the highest defection numbers in the world. With his own sealed off internet and platforms he lies to his own people. If Russia collapses, Russians and the world can never again tolerate such an evil leader.

Tbear

(487 posts)
37. Question
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 11:02 AM
Mar 2022

If I am a Russian pilot intent on defecting with my plane, how do I do that without being shot down?
Excellent posting DFW. Great to hear from the real people.

AllaN01Bear

(18,193 posts)
38. thanks for the information. a friend in eurozone has been listening to the conflicts comms
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 11:03 AM
Mar 2022

on shortwave radio @ 3 to 5 mc and u can hear them when the weather is right on 220 mc . another friend of mine does this at my apartment complex using a simple walki talki

niyad

(113,293 posts)
41. Thank you for these reports, DFW. Distressing on so many levels, yet hopeful in
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 11:18 AM
Mar 2022

the courage, resilience and determination of the Ukranian people. The report about the pilots stopped me cold. Whether deliberate sabotage, or the result of poor maintence or corruption, it is stunning.

"What fresh hell is this?" comes to mind almost daily.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
42. talked to my friend in Biebrich two days ago
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 11:32 AM
Mar 2022

she said Germany already had over 65,000 refugees and some plans to employ teachers, get the kids back in school quickly.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
49. Big, good job. One thing, remembering the Merkel government's
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 12:08 PM
Mar 2022

attempt to bring in the skilled immigrants most modern nations need, countries currently swamped with refugees will get some out of this. Not all Ukrainians will go home whatever happens, and worst case many won't.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
68. We both noted the different reactions of citizens
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 02:32 PM
Mar 2022

Between Ukrainian and the Syrian refugees. The US isn't alone in the bigotry department.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
78. Yes. No nation is. It's very human.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 05:02 PM
Mar 2022

At least this will be mostly Europeans mostly in Europe.

I even read about a study that showed that those prone to bigotry will be bigoted based on nothing but size of group, large favored over small.

To test that hypothesis, they designed two completely imaginary groups — with no notable differences in the imaginary people— for the study subjects react to and then asked them questions about what they thought about the people and groups. The subjects were all socially conservative and expected to have the tendency they wanted to identify and observe. They found it. In fact, the worst of them became genuinely hostile toward the smaller nonexistent group.

If there was no other reason to vote Democratic, keeping these people from dominating would be an absolute imperative all by itself.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
87. Maybe that could have something to do
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:04 AM
Mar 2022

With thier hysteria over antifa. Its numbers are not known they are not declaring being part of antifa and anyone who hates fascism can be antifa and a lot of people do not want fascism and they dont know what to do about it.but its got them freaking out.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
50. American journalism overdoes the "hero" meme.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 12:31 PM
Mar 2022

Yes sometimes there are heroes. But sometimes people just do the right thing or do their jobs.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
66. That reminds me of an incident that happened back in the seventies with the Soviet air force.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 02:15 PM
Mar 2022

A friend of mine (half Ukrainian, come to think of it!) was about to flunk out of college (a little lazy, not stupid) and get drafted (Vietnam era), so he enlisted in the air force, and told them he spoke German and Russian (well, close anyway ). They swallowed it and sent him to Spy School in Syracuse, NY. When he was dubbed "spy-proficient," he was sent to West Berlin, stuck in a secret listening installment, and told to monitor Soviet air force radio communications and write down word for word, in Russian, what was said.

One time, the Soviet air force had made some new fighter plane, and wanted to show it off their socialist brothers in East Germany (as if the East Germans had a choice). So, the pilot was told to take off from an airfield in Poland and fly the plane over to an airfield in East Germany. My friend was writing down all communications word for word, as was his job. The Russian pilot took off, and when he was near the East German air base, he flew over it to check out the landing strip. He noticed that the landing strip was much too short, and that he would crash at the far end of the strip if he tried to land there. He radioed to his superiors on teh ground that he couldn't safely land there. The ground officers were pissed since they wanted to show off their new plane. They ordered him to land anyway, and just be careful. He yelled back through the radio, "fuck your mother, I can't land there! The strip is too short and I could die, so I'm flying back to Poland!" which he then did. Since my friend's orders were to write down word for word what was said, he dutifully wrote down "fuck your mother (a common Russian curse), I can't land there...." etc.

Some Russian-speaking Air Force defense analyst must have had a hard time keeping a straight face when he read THAT report.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
72. One minor detail
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 03:31 PM
Mar 2022

This was a Soviet pilot addressing his own officers.

Of course if he thought he’d get killed trying to land in the East German air strip, he probably couldn’t care less who was listening.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
74. Generals on the field sorta makes sense
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 03:54 PM
Mar 2022

in that they don't really have an NCO corps which means their junior officers have to do NCO work, which means field grades are probably doing some junior officer work, which means Generals are probably doing field grade officer work.

A good NCO corps makes a military work in the modern era. That Russia hasn't figured that out yet is kind of crazy.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
77. There are several noteworthy points you bring up, not least it caused me to consider AMERICA's...
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 04:34 PM
Mar 2022

… proclivity for creating cults of personality. We valorize Zelensky — and he deserves every bit of our admiration. But we do it in part because something in us needs to focus on one person. Could write on that more, but not now.

Despite your modest disclaimers, and despite the fact that we know you are just one person — you are there in Europe and we are not. You speak multiple languages and most of us do not. You have access to and friendships with many people across the region. You are steady and sane in your life on this board. In sum, you are capable of providing us with a point of view lacking in what passes for news in this country. An informed point of view, that’s all I’m asking for, not the voice of the almighty.

Finally, a personal request: I enjoy and am informed by your observations, but happen on them only randomly in the ever-flowing stream of GD. Would you mind awfully tabbing them so they show up in your Journal? I’d appreciate that so much, and no doubt others would as well.
💕. 🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻

DFW

(54,370 posts)
88. Sure, but I have no idea how that is done
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 06:48 AM
Mar 2022

I'm sure I will get the old line from MAD magazine: any idiot can do it, so get an idiot to help you.

Malmsy

(297 posts)
82. The Geneva Convention requires giving any pilot ejected pilot from a damaged plane medical aid.
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 07:11 PM
Mar 2022

You cannot shoot at a pilot that has ejected from a damaged plane, according to G.C. because it is assumed they are injured, and as such you must offer medical treatment. Endangering such a pilot (or passenger from that plane) is a war crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists

Isn't that exactly what Putin is doing to his own troops?

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
84. Going to clip and share the portion about the pilots thank you
Sat Mar 12, 2022, 09:08 PM
Mar 2022

For the update. If you would rather i don't share please contact me ASAP.

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