I talked to medical professionals and I asked them "Ectopic pregnancies, they CAN be viable, right?"

[ck4829]

The response was, you might say, universal:

"No"

"... No"

"They aren't"

"An ectopic pregnancy will kill the mother. Period"

"Not viable"

Missouri state Rep. Brian Seitz (R) introduced a bill in the state House that would ban the termination of ectopic pregnancies.

These pregnancies, which occur when a fertilized egg implants and grows outside the uterus, most often in the fallopian tube, can be life-threatening for the pregnant person if left untreated, and the fetus can't survive being carried to term, according to Mayo Clinic.

The bill, if passed into law, would make performing, inducing or attempting to perform or induce an abortion for such a pregnancy a class A felony. Insider reported that such a charge could carry a sentence of up to 30 years in prison.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/597911-missouri-bill-seeks-to-ban-terminating-fatal-ectopic-pregnancies

[unweird]

1. Wow

That’s some seriously deluded bullshit.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

30. Christian fascists are really feeling emboldened aren't they? Normalized insanity, by the media.

In the former normal world of a decade ago, this obvious Insanity would be met with demands from ALL and ALL media….for immediate resignation and/or removal from Office.

But media in America, as a whole…looking at you, Majors…has normalized the insane…anything goes and should be debated in the halls of lawmaking…it shouldn’t…I call it Twitter Spillover Effect.

Infected the Majors, deeply.

[Martin68]

45. Always blame "The Media?" Should the media stop reporting on right wing insanity? Should we pretend

Republicans aren't anti-science, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic? People do stuff and say stuff and media's job is to tell us about it.

[Wicked Blue]

2. This is "legalized" matricide

F*cking psychpaths!

[Scrivener7]

3. But killing women makes the point that the GOP wants to make. Under His Eye.

[bucolic_frolic]

8. Harsh rule demands obedience! Crack the whip! Fear!

The author of this bill is attempting to legalize murder and should be so charged.

[yardwork]

10. Under His Eye, indeed.

It's frightening what's happening here and people don't want to see it.

[Scrivener7]

12. I think many will assume it is ignorance on the part of those proposing it. It isn't.

[yardwork]

17. Exactly! This is all carefully planned and orchestrated.

The useful idiots who trot out this pre-written legislation are morons, sure. They're just the tools. They get elected, they're given perks, compromising information is gathered on them to keep them in line. It's mobster behavior.

[Scrivener7]

26. But, also, it's literally legislating the murder of women for no reason at all, except

to assert the state's authority over our bodies.

And that is not a mistake or a misunderstanding.

[Quakerfriend]

4. Emphatically NO! And, they often

kill the mother…..
I am sick to my stomach over this.

[Rural_Progressive]

41. I regret having to disagree with you but

an ectopic pregnancy doesn't often kill a woman, unterminated it will ALWAYS kill the woman.

[bucolic_frolic]

5. I don't know if it's still the case, but tying tubes was reportable to the state at one point.

[Irish_Dem]

6. The point is to control and terrorize women into compliance.

Sounds like Putin, doesn't it?

[Bettie]

7. Another probable unintended (or intended) consequence

is that hospitals will likely be disinclined to do other necessary health care for women, such as D&C's, because idiots think they are only for abortions.

I suspect it will be very difficult for women to get any reproductive care at all in that state should this become law.

[xmas74]

51. It already is hard for women to get proper care in Missouri

I know- I live here.

[keithbvadu2]

9. They play doctor in the legislature

They play doctor in the legislature

[eShirl]

11. this is what theocracy looks like

[kacekwl]

13. Can the intrepid media please ask every Republican

especially the woman if they support this and other woman hating bills. Demand a yes or no. If yes explain why. No one can logically support this and if you are a woman and aren't outraged and afraid you need major help.

[haele]

48. A lot of Republican women don't care about other women.

They're Queen Bees who are destined for Heaven and if other women miscarry or die due to pregnancy, it's their fault for either not taking care of themselves enough or because Gawd wanted them to miscarry or die for whatever reason that GOP women can think of.

GOP women in politics tend to think only of themselves and their "reputation". Anyone else is just not that perfect....

Haele

[secondwind]

14. I bet this doesn't pass.

[niyad]

28. Really? Have you been paying attention to the escalating attacks on women's rights

by the woman-hating gestational slavers? Did youbsee the proposed amendment, also in MO, to make it ilkegal to travel out if state to obtain an abortion. That is being considered other places as well. the reichwing assholes on SCOTUS let that insane TX law stand.

Do not kid yourself. The woman-haters are drunk with power, and they control too many state houses and pols.

[ShazzieB]

31. If it does get passed and signed into law, it'll be struck down fast.

The lawyers will have a field day poking holes in this crappy excuse for a law, and it will never go into effect.

That doesn't mean I'm not horrified and enraged by this, mind you. I am all that and much more.

[Scrivener7]

46. Given that it is literally the legalization of the murder of random women, one would hope not.

But at this point in history I wouldn't bet money on that.

[Hekate]

52. How much you want to bet it does pass?

It is happening all over the Old Confederacy, and like cancer it has spread way beyond.

[Karma13612]

15. I know I am preaching to the choir here but

I don’t think it should be ‘legal’ for legislators to actually create laws that go against medical advice and medical science.

And I am not talking about ‘opinion’ level differences. I am talking about hard cold established facts like this example regarding ectopic pregnancies. Or trying to ‘undo’ a chemical abortion.

Set up this scenario:

Woman is diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy. Physician is faced with saving life of Mom which means breaking the law, or allowing the Mom to suffer and die from sepsis.
He decides to obey the law and the woman dies.

Husband, inconsolable, sues the doctor for ‘causing’ his wife’s death. The doctor’s malpractice insurance company has to settle for several million.

Since the AMA seems to be rather ‘weak tea’ on many of the issues surrounding the curtailment of women’s reproductive rights in Taliban states, there is only one other entity that can get involved.

The medical malpractice insurance companies need to speak up as well. They know how to take money for insurance and are reluctant to payout. How about they finally do some good.

We need to push where we can make them see that this will be losing proposition if husbands have to start suing when their wives die under these new laws.

P.S. (On Edit): In a nut shell, why can’t the lawyers who argue before the Supreme Court that when legislators create laws forcing physicians to go against medical science, that this is tantamount to practicing medicine without a license, or at the very least “giving medical advice”. This should have been nipped in the bud. There should be a law that legislators cannot even attempt these laws or even begin writing them. It just shouldn’t be. Period.

Sorry, I am just fed up with the insanity.

And we’re in a Tornado watch until 7PM tonight here in coastal North Carolina, Emerald isle. Just a little edgy with the wind blowing like crazy!

[mrsadm]

39. Politicians practicing medicine - is it legal?

I am intrigued by your point about how "legislators are creating laws forcing physicians to go against medical science, that is tantamount to practicing medicine without a license". Must be something that can be sued about, right?

[Karma13612]

49. Exactly. Agree 100%

But, I would HOPE that we could stop the insanity by just telling lawmakers up front at the state and national level that they CANNOT even propose or pass laws which completely counter medical science. My point is that we should NOT have to go to the point of suing. This is the practice now.

Make a bad law, wait for the law suits, get verdicts, get verdicts overturned, try new jurisdictions, get stays, get delays, more law suits, rinse repeat ad nauseum.

When the laws go into effect and then you have to wait for them to be overturned, then people are ‘injured’. In this instance, we are now looking at death sentences, or state sponsored homicide.

No, just no.

[JohnSJ]

16. If this doesn't motivate women to vote Democratic, nothing will

[demigoddess]

27. some of the republican idiots will think the woman made the pregnancy happen in the tube to

get attention or whatever. My republican in law thinks I made my daughter have a genetic anomaly on purpose.

[JohnSJ]

43. Sorry, it is pure ignorance and brainwashing

[Scrivener7]

47. OK, this is something I can't get my head around. You give an example of

a republiQan believing something that ANY sane person would reject.

Do you think he or she REALLY thinks that, or are they spouting some kind of party line that they know is not true?

I just have such a hard time believing THEY believe these things they spout.

I suspect that my R relative is just a total hypocrite and says these crazy things to own a lib, but knows full well they aren't true. And that takes it to a level that really veers away from ignorance and towards true evil.

[demigoddess]

53. she asked "What did you do to make her like this?" I answered that it happened at or before

conception. Either the sperm or the egg was damaged. She screamed NO at me and shook her head and ran away. I think it may come from preachers preaching the line "all children are created perfect". Some religious nuts take it literally not the way it was intended.

[Scrivener7]

54. Oh my God. That's crazy.

But the next step in that kind of belief system is terrifying: "if the mother did something then the mother must be punished."

You just know THAT one is up their sleeve somewhere.

[demigoddess]

55. well, she hates me because she thinks I damaged someone with her sacred, perfect genes.

and she will never believe differently. She believes that everyone with her genes are perfect, smart, etc. Doesn't help that my other children are all high IQ people.

[Scrivener7]

56. Also, what a monster to look at a child - IN YOUR OWN FAMILY! - with a disability and have the

attitude that they are "wrong".

I worked with disabled kids for decades. Most of them were a lot more "right" than a lot of typically developing people I have come across.

[demigoddess]

57. isn't that the truth. I often say that she could apply to mensa. She was so bright about some things

usually kids. She loves to watch kids play and has yelled at kids who go too close to the street(danger).

[DFW]

18. If I were a prosecuting attorney in MIssouri

I would have asked for a warrant for attempted murder sworn out for Rep. Seitz. Bail set at a hundred million dollars, since what he is trying to do WILL result in deaths of several women. Not negligently. Deliberately. Known in advance, and proceeded upon despite this. I don't know of a better definition of "malice" than that.

[Captain Zero]

32. This. At least try it. Put them on notice.

If it doesn't stop the law being made then tell these legislators, ok, we will see you as soon as you kill a woman this way.

[Diamond_Dog]

19. My best friend's daughter had an ectopic pregnancy two years ago.

The largest hospital system in our area, Catholic, naturally, would not treat her.

Luckily there is a non sectarian hospital in the next town that gladly treated her. (What would a woman do if the only hospital available to her was a Catholic one?)

Womens’ lives are totally worthless and expendable in the eyes of these ultra zealots in the right wing and some religions and these types should never be in the position to decide who gets care and who does not! It sickens and infuriates me that this even goes on, and that a law like the one in the post would even be considered. It’s murder!

[Buckeyeblue]

20. We should hold him up as the face of the anti-choice crowd

This bill comes from a place of ignorance. In their effort to out do each other, the are just being stupid and crazy. No wonder they all like Putin.

[malaise]

21. In my world any asshole who promotes proven threats to life

should be banned from receiving medical treatment PERIOD.
When these fools promote this shit as policy they should face imprisonment as well.
The religious right and political grifters have destroyed rational thinking

[bottomofthehill]

23. Almost lost my wife to an Ectopic pregnancy

She was not feeling well for a couple days with stomach pain getting worse. Developed a low fever, woke up one morning, looked at my wife, the woman that I love and happily still love 25 years later and decided, time to go to the hospital. A neighbor watched our children and I brought her to the local ER. Thank God I did. When we got there, her pulse was racing, her blood pressure was high 80s over mid 50’s. Something like 88/56. The doctors brought her strait back from triage fearful of stroke.

We did not realize that she was pregnant. The pregnancy had ruptured her tube causing internal bleeding. She has lost 3 pints of blood and there was infection. They were not able to save the tube but thankfully were able to save her.

It was the scariest day of my life. The thought of my wife passing away still haunts me. She is fine all these years later, but that day was really scary.

There is no chance of carrying an ectopic to team, all you have is the chance of death. What is wrong with people.

[Ilsa]

24. Untrained ignorant a-holes trying to regulate medicine, use it

for political points with other idiots. Is he willing to sacrifice the women in his life for his political career? He should be charged with attempting to practice medicine without a license.

[Rebl2]

34. I agree!

Not only in this case, but all those statehouses that have tried doing away with Covid mandates while it was spreading like wildfire. They acted like they knew better than the state’s medical directors and doctors. They also have been attacking these medical directors for the last few months. They should be charged most definitely with practicing medicine without a license.

[2naSalit]

25. Had one of those...

When I was 18, it really sucked. I was in bad shape by the time anyone figured it out and I could have died.

[dlk]

29. Seitz would prefer pregnant women hemorrhage to death in service to his fake piety

They would legislate a death penalty for any pregnant women with an ectopic pregnancy. This is all about retaining dominion over women’s bodies and has nothing to do with the sanctity of life. What a sick pervert!

[mrsadm]

33. Good article here about published misinformation and the correct facts

[link:https://utswmed.org/medblog/truth-about-ectopic-pregnancy-care/|

[Tree Lady]

35. My daughter almost died from one

I can't believe they have gone that far.

[momta]

36. It's also a very painful way to die.

Seitz is committing attempted murder and should be indicted.

[marieo1]

37. Mothers decisions

I just don't get it............why are all these men so involved with pregnancies? All these decisions about whether to terminate a woman's pregnancy, whether to carry to term or abort should be NO ONE'S decision except the person carrying the baby. Men want so much for women to be the stay at home wife and mother they will do anything to keep her from making decisions on her own.

[Farmer-Rick]

38. Well, if you can't force them to incubate unwanted fetuses,

You can always try to kill them.

But come on what is going on in Missouri? First a copy of the Texas abortion law with catch them in other states if you can rules then this. Missouri really does hate women.

[Oneironaut]

40. They don't care about the pregnancy part or the fetus.

It’s about controlling sex. They want to control womens’ “chastity” by force (and threat of death) because they want to appease their sky daddy (but mostly, above all, their misogynistic egos).

Trumpian Conservatism is primarily based on social castes. They feel women belong below men, and they find women’s rights threatening to the rigid caste system in their mind.

You can’t appeal to them with logic. All they hear when you explain that an ectopic pregnancy is fatal is, “whore got pregnant with someone other than me. Women are beneath me. Good - I hope the slut dies.”

They’ll never be honest about this. It’s the same reason they oppose welfare - “If we give black people money, they won’t be beneath me anymore!”

[Wingus Dingus]

42. No doctor will allow his or her patient to die from an ectopic

pregnancy. It's not an abortion, because it can never grow beyond a certain stage, and then it ruptures and can kill the mother. I just don't see this happening, it's ridiculous and will be instantly challenged.

[Greybnk48]

44. Ectopic pregnancies are an emergency procedure

and can and will kill the mother if left in the fallopian tube. The embryo will grow in the tube and rupture it, leading to the mother bleeding internally and dying, either from blood loss or infection.

[Skittles]

50. THIS guy is making medical decisons for women