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quakerboy

(13,917 posts)
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 05:00 AM Mar 2022

Maybe someone's already said this

Given our desire to get away from Russian oil.. and our presumably desire to help other allies who are more dependent to do the same...

We should be framing pushing employees to work from home as patriotism. Not just allowing or extending, but pushing for as much as possible. And the inverse, regularly framing any push to bring workers back to the office as support for the Russian war of aggression.

Every gallon we unnecessarily burn is a gallon someone somewhere has to buy from putin instead

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Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
1. I was kind of expecting people to start car-pooling again.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 05:14 AM
Mar 2022

Particularly those who live in the suburbs and have to travel a number of miles to their jobs. Vans and SUVs would surely make a bigger difference than those times when it was used before.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
2. I agree with you, but President Biden supports the opposite.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 05:33 AM
Mar 2022

He prefers that employers force workers to commute.

It’s time for Americans to get back to work and fill our great downtowns again. People working from home can feel safe to begin to return to the office. We’re doing that here in the federal government. The vast majority of federal workers will once again work in person.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/03/01/remarks-of-president-joe-biden-state-of-the-union-address-as-delivered/

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
3. Russian oil
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 07:19 AM
Mar 2022

3.3% it is negligible. Biggest problem is the fact half of the oil here in the USA was exported. Bush Administration changed how it could be sold and that has not been undone. Also tired of hearing about how much they pay in Europe. The base price is comparative to our price. They have large taxes on oil they use for things like universal Healthcare.

Scrivener7

(50,924 posts)
8. I so wish we would do that. The taxing it for healthcare and social benefits part.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:55 AM
Mar 2022

It would change the world.

quakerboy

(13,917 posts)
9. It is not negligible. It is a global market
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 06:00 AM
Mar 2022

Which makes our percent irrelevant to the question as long as anyone is importing Russian oil. For instance eastern Europe.

If we import 3.3%, and we cut 10% of our total use.. not only do we stop importing that 3.3%.. we have the remaining 6.7% to export to help another market not have to send money to Russia.

Wasting gas is literally handing cash to Putin and the Russian army. Make your choices accordingly.

quakerboy

(13,917 posts)
17. Our market is the largest in the world
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 10:40 PM
Mar 2022

And the "tiny" share of our market is a giant share of most markets.

Except that the market is Global. Every gallon that is freed up is one less gallon that ANYONE has to pay to fund the Russian military.

And every less gallon used is that much less emissions.

This is a win win, and the math is not in favor of a head in the sand ignore the problem. Reducing unnecessary petrofuel use is patriotic. Wasting gas is pro putin. Make your choice and live with your conscience.

quakerboy

(13,917 posts)
10. To add some math
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 06:16 AM
Mar 2022

The thing is.. even a small part of our national use is a HUGE amount.

Via a quick googling, i find that the US uses something like 20 million barrels a day. If we import 3% from russia, that is 600 thousand barrels. per day.

In comparison.. Romania imports around 200k barrels a day, with a significant portion coming from Russia.

In other words.. If we could cut 3% of our use, we could stop paying Russia anything. If we cut it 4%.. we could stop paying Russia and completely cover Romania's needs and free them from having to pay Russia as well. Thats an over simplification, but relatively small changes on our part can make a much bigger difference.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
14. A drop in a bucket
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:01 AM
Mar 2022

Same as the people who hollar about a corporation paying a 100000 dollar fine. Large amount to the person a nickel to the corporation.

quakerboy

(13,917 posts)
18. You make my point
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 10:41 PM
Mar 2022

Its a nickel to us, and a large amount to most other countries. So lets deal with it and help both ourselves and the other country.

Scrivener7

(50,924 posts)
7. I wish we would begin a conservation effort. It would help the situation a lot.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:48 AM
Mar 2022

Let's face it. We're the world's petroleum hogs. If we could cut down significantly, no one would notice the loss of Putin's oil.

And the more we hurt him non-militarily, the better the chances we will never have to engage in a direct conflict with him.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,328 posts)
11. Working from home is bad for restauranteurs.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 07:36 AM
Mar 2022

Restaurant workers/owners would love to see the office workers going out to lunch again.

A patriotic gesture might be rebuilding our steel mills and shipyards. And facilities to manufacture wind turbines and solar panels. Maybe more nuclear power plants.

quakerboy

(13,917 posts)
12. driving unnecessary miles is good for putin.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 10:53 PM
Mar 2022

Less unnecessary oil use does not stop us from doing all the things you suggest. But it does present the opportunity to stop dollars from flowing to Russia.

Work from home is patriotism right now. So is rebuilding our manufacturing sector, and bearing down on renewable energy.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
15. Restaurants can become more innovative. Set up work-from-home pre-paid, weekly deliveries.
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:10 AM
Mar 2022

Not have to stop to fix lunch is a feature some might like. Pre-established menu packages will give variety and those that used work as waiters and waitresses can be hired to package orders and be tipped accordingly. Arrangements can be made by organization and location. Entire offices of 20 or more can pre-pay and even rotate among different restaurants in the same geographic location. All parties involved (businesses and restaurants) can work together to set up workable and satisfactory schedules. A little imagination required.

Wounded Bear

(58,606 posts)
16. It would be nice if we moved to a more permanent solution...
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:12 AM
Mar 2022

and get the fuck off of fossil fuels as our primary energy source. Long past time for a Manhattan Project style emphasis on renewables.

quakerboy

(13,917 posts)
19. Exactly
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 10:43 PM
Mar 2022

We need a near term solution to the current crisis. And luckily several of the easiest solutions are also contributors to longer term solutions to other problems we face.

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