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Budi

(15,325 posts)
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:41 PM Mar 2022

Is there any legal way to shut down Tucker Carlson/Fox

Kremlin memos obtained by @MotherJones show Putin's government pushing Russian media to use #TuckerCarlson "as much as possible" in its #Ukraine war coverage. They include the talking point that the US is engaged in "biogenocide" against Russia.




https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/exclusive-kremlin-putin-russia-ukraine-war-memo-tucker-carlson-fox/
Leaked Kremlin Memo to Russian Media: It Is “Essential” to Feature Tucker Carlson
The Russian government has pressed outlets to highlight the Fox host’s Putin-helping broadcasts.
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Is there any legal way to shut down Tucker Carlson/Fox (Original Post) Budi Mar 2022 OP
Confiscate his bank account Walleye Mar 2022 #1
And of course Republican officials could do the same to our journalists? brooklynite Mar 2022 #136
Except the technically Tucker is one of our journalist Walleye Mar 2022 #138
Personally, I don't make jokes about bending the First Amendment... brooklynite Mar 2022 #140
They could at least block it on USA military bases FFS mucifer Mar 2022 #2
There has got to be some way to force them to do that Walleye Mar 2022 #4
Yes, it would be censorship because it would be the govt. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #9
I'm not sure changing the channel in a common TV room is censorship Walleye Mar 2022 #13
Here's what you said: MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #16
True it was a poor choice of words Walleye Mar 2022 #23
No problem. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #27
I'm certainly with you on that, I worked for a newspaper for 20 years Walleye Mar 2022 #30
That is the conundrum. nt MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #38
You win in the marketplace of ideas. TheProle Mar 2022 #73
After Trump my faith in that concept is fading. Walleye Mar 2022 #74
The Military did it in the 1970's in West Germany JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #18
I know that it was done in the 70's in Germany, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #22
Dangerous and false information is not protected free speech. Mr. Evil Mar 2022 #71
Shouting fire in a theater? MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #76
Absolutely! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #48
No, they can't. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #50
I can think of a few. . .ooops, you said "legal". DARN!!!! niyad Mar 2022 #3
Well, in theory, the msm could always refer to foxnews as a propaganda outlet, unblock Mar 2022 #5
Its as though each MSM outlet has a different level of propaganda. Budi Mar 2022 #19
Why can't Faux Noise viewers figure it out? FakeNoose Mar 2022 #6
You know that is the same question they ask about us right? Caliman73 Mar 2022 #105
Hardcore Fox news viewers don't want to figure it out. They don't care about the truth. hadEnuf Mar 2022 #137
Just about the only things that seem to take down these toxic talking mouths is Baitball Blogger Mar 2022 #7
And Jon Stewart. Tommymac Mar 2022 #65
And, look, Zelensky was a comedian, too. Baitball Blogger Mar 2022 #66
I believe you may have something here. Tommymac Mar 2022 #67
+1 Baitball Blogger Mar 2022 #68
First thing, FOX needs to be registered as a Foreign Agent. TheBlackAdder Mar 2022 #8
Yeah, good luck with that. nt MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #10
The Office of FARA needs to double/triple it's staff size. Budi Mar 2022 #24
Just as HRC put FOX on notice that they are verging towards Actual Malice. . . TheBlackAdder Mar 2022 #35
That seems to be the only serious & effective approach, actually. Budi Mar 2022 #39
Yes! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #51
What we can do about Tucker Carlson vlyons Mar 2022 #11
The companies are lowbrow crap Skittles Mar 2022 #57
New Poll: 43% of Republicans Want to Give Trump the Power to Shut Down Media keithbvadu2 Mar 2022 #12
Are you kidding those 43% would approve of Trump shooting somebody on fifth Avenue. Walleye Mar 2022 #28
Could we arrange for Trump and Tucker Carlson to be on fifth avenue? DemocraticPatriot Mar 2022 #85
Probably not, but there's a name he's earned: Lord Haw-Haw cos dem Mar 2022 #14
Yes pressbox69 Mar 2022 #49
BOYCOTT their advertisers... ProudMNDemocrat Mar 2022 #15
That's the proper way to do it, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #17
Fox news doesn't need advertisers. They make about $2 billion per year on hidden subscriber fees PSPS Mar 2022 #32
Everyone who pays for cable or satellite TV supports Fox News Channel. nt. Mariana Mar 2022 #99
Can we start by Canceling Paul Ryan BoD of FOX Corporation? MartyTheGreek Mar 2022 #20
I just don't watch TV programs I dislike or disagree with MichMan Mar 2022 #21
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #25
Revoke Murdoch's citizenship and forbid him from operating in our country. Midnight Writer Mar 2022 #26
THIS ONE. Post #26. ⬆️ Budi Mar 2022 #31
Yes! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #53
Revoking citizenship Sgent Mar 2022 #79
Unless he committed fraud during the application, you cannot ex post facto revoke his citizenship Celerity Mar 2022 #87
I don't think that is against the law to lie. Chainfire Mar 2022 #29
True. Same thing they did with the Covid & Vaccine/Fauci ordeal Budi Mar 2022 #37
Pillow guy must be the most prolific advertiser on Fox. keithbvadu2 Mar 2022 #45
Actually, his is a ways down the list. Something like number 10. Chainfire Mar 2022 #47
Yup, I was flipping through the channels to find basketball last night. Initech Mar 2022 #104
Anonymous, where are you?????? nt essaynnc Mar 2022 #33
That would be a good solution Chainfire Mar 2022 #46
Dominion. gibraltar72 Mar 2022 #34
At least make fox play a disclaimer Beachnutt Mar 2022 #36
Wartime censorship would place restrictions on the press bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #40
I suspect that if we declared war, Fox would rethink its programming very rapidly. Chainfire Mar 2022 #52
Thank you, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #55
The Fox News Network is a cable news channel, not an over-the-air broadcast network. sop Mar 2022 #41
True. ..Dang, there has to be one loophole they cannot use. Budi Mar 2022 #43
Fox News doesn't have over the air legacy broadcasts? bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #44
The Fox Broadcasting Company is an over-the-air television network licensed by the FCC, sop Mar 2022 #59
Legally separate broadcast entities with intertwined financial and political interests bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #61
Carlson and Fox are seditious. hadEnuf Mar 2022 #42
Why sure, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #54
It's not a wish. hadEnuf Mar 2022 #62
And Tulsi Gabbard, as well. Budi Mar 2022 #56
It's Tulskyo Rose. GoCubsGo Mar 2022 #70
Not without trashing the first amendment. So...no. Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #58
It's amazing to me how many people don't get that, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #60
They already have that kind of power and you can bet if a Democrat was to do .001% of what they are hadEnuf Mar 2022 #63
One word, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #64
Bullshit? hadEnuf Mar 2022 #77
Yes, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #78
And the same to you as well. hadEnuf Mar 2022 #80
Yes, too bad that the Rethugs shut down CNN, MSNBC, etc. yagotme Mar 2022 #82
CNN, MSNBC, etc. weren't aiding and abetting an enemy of the United States. hadEnuf Mar 2022 #83
Because most of us are not authoritarians determined to find loopholes tritsofme Mar 2022 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author hadEnuf Mar 2022 #91
I'm not authoritarian. hadEnuf Mar 2022 #92
Saying "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #93
Yelling free speech is not a free pass on responsibility and concequences. hadEnuf Mar 2022 #101
Lawyer much? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2022 #102
Think much? hadEnuf Mar 2022 #117
I think on the matter of topics in which I have no expertise, I would defer to those who do. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2022 #124
You need a lawyer to figure out the difference between free speech and propaganda? hadEnuf Mar 2022 #125
So, you are asking me whether I would need a lawyer to determine if a thing is legal? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2022 #126
Where did legality come into question here? hadEnuf Mar 2022 #128
Should those who supported North Vietnam during the Vietnam War have had legal action taken against Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #107
If they had been working with the Kremlin while TASS was hailing them as a partner in their hadEnuf Mar 2022 #116
That's not what I asked. We were in an armed conflict with North Vietnam at the time. Should Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #120
Apples to oranges. You are trying to move the goal posts. hadEnuf Mar 2022 #122
Was she being used as a prop, yagotme Mar 2022 #123
So now it's "Hanoi Jane" time? hadEnuf Mar 2022 #127
Fox is "talking", (think "speech",) yagotme Mar 2022 #129
A huge part of what has been said about Fonda has been proven false yet it's still making the rounds hadEnuf Mar 2022 #132
I know the gerrymandering part is 100% true, yagotme Mar 2022 #134
MSNBC (and CNN) went after Trump during his Administration; so did the Times and Post brooklynite Mar 2022 #141
What does CNN and the rest of the media you mentioned have to do with Republicans trying to charge hadEnuf Mar 2022 #142
Unrelenting mockery. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #69
Quit cable and satellite television and tell them why. hunter Mar 2022 #72
That is the answer. Mariana Mar 2022 #98
The "Off" switch. (n/t) Iggo Mar 2022 #75
Who in their right mind watches Fox Nooz in the first place? AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #111
We don't - but plenty of dimbulbs watch it dwayneb Mar 2022 #113
Hence my comment about it being a tough sell to convince them otherwise. AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #114
confiscate him as a Russian asset? icymist Mar 2022 #81
Yes. It's in the Constitution about "giving aid and comfort to the enemy." Sogo Mar 2022 #84
Were anti-war protesters arrested during the Vietnam war and charged with treason? former9thward Mar 2022 #86
One has to prove intent. Also, a war has to be going on. Kaleva Mar 2022 #90
There are a few problems with that. Mariana Mar 2022 #97
One (or Authorities) could wonder if Tucker Carlson has an Email problem. PufPuf23 Mar 2022 #89
Treason sarcasmo Mar 2022 #94
Were those advocating for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War also traitors, then? Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #95
According to your own personal, unique definition of the word "treason", perhaps. Mariana Mar 2022 #96
People on DU could stop financing Tucker Carson and cancel their cable. cinematicdiversions Mar 2022 #100
Fox News is very actively and openly aiding and abetting an enemy to the US. Initech Mar 2022 #103
It's not treason. The Constitution is quite specific. Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #108
In our country you are free to lie all you want to. But if you use your freedoms to push traitorous Peacetrain Mar 2022 #106
Supporting a murderous dictator is despicable, but it does not constitute treason. Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #109
In my heart it does...but technically you are correct Peacetrain Mar 2022 #112
Once there is a declaration of war dwayneb Mar 2022 #110
There won't be a declaration of war Jose Garcia Mar 2022 #131
What would cause the FCC to revoke a license? AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #115
Fox News isn't licensed by the FCC onenote Mar 2022 #118
No one thinks that this melm00se Mar 2022 #119
What floor is his office on? nt EarthFirst Mar 2022 #121
The Russian text below Carlson's photo says "Tucker Carson" DFW Mar 2022 #130
DARN. You specified "legal". . . . niyad Mar 2022 #133
Simple answer: no. Nor should we. brooklynite Mar 2022 #135
Probably not. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2022 #139

Walleye

(31,016 posts)
1. Confiscate his bank account
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:44 PM
Mar 2022
I know that can’t be done but it’s worth thinking about. Maybe tax his salary at 100%. Oh and if he has a boat, take that too.

Walleye

(31,016 posts)
4. There has got to be some way to force them to do that
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:45 PM
Mar 2022

it’s not censorship and it’s not too much to askl

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
9. Yes, it would be censorship because it would be the govt.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:50 PM
Mar 2022

blocking it, which is a clear violation of the 1st. Amendment.

Tucker Carlson is an ass, no doubt about that, but he is an American, as far as we know, and is afforded the same rights as you and I.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
16. Here's what you said:
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:54 PM
Mar 2022
There has got to be some way to force them to do that

it’s not censorship and it’s not too much to askl


Forcing them would be a form of censorship, now if it's done voluntarily, that's a whole different ball of wax, there would be no coercion involved.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
27. No problem.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:02 PM
Mar 2022

I'm a real stickler for the 1st Amendment, along with the rest of them, I may hate what someone has to say, but I do support their right to say it.

Walleye

(31,016 posts)
30. I'm certainly with you on that, I worked for a newspaper for 20 years
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:04 PM
Mar 2022

Question is how do we stop our enemies from using our freedom against us

Walleye

(31,016 posts)
74. After Trump my faith in that concept is fading.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 04:11 PM
Mar 2022

You have to assume that people actually have ideas. Not just hatred and anger

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
18. The Military did it in the 1970's in West Germany
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:56 PM
Mar 2022

My dad was stationed in Weisbaden. My mom had made a few German Friends and that's how she got her back WaPos from her parents during Watergate.

My dad was a Green Beret so their mail was highly scrutinuzed.

Then again they used to air reruns of Hogans Heroes too

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
22. I know that it was done in the 70's in Germany,
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:59 PM
Mar 2022

I was stationed there at the time, but this is a whole different time and I hardly see any Federal court upholding such a ban by the Govt., on the other hand, if it's done voluntarily, then no censorship.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
76. Shouting fire in a theater?
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 04:45 PM
Mar 2022

Really?
Shouting fire in a theater is 100% legal as long as you believe that there is a fire.

Try again.

If you truly believe that he's violating the law, then my advice to you is to:
A. Contact the US Attorney's Office and file a complaint, or
B. File a lawsuit against Faux, Fucker Carlson and see how far that gets you.

Bottom line is that the shit he's spewing is protected speech under the 1st Amendment.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
50. No, they can't.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:26 PM
Mar 2022

It would be violation of the 1st Amendment by the Govt. and no Federal court would uphold such a ban.

unblock

(52,205 posts)
5. Well, in theory, the msm could always refer to foxnews as a propaganda outlet,
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:45 PM
Mar 2022

and always note the how the Republican talking points are always coordinated and always serving Russia's interests.

But that would demand accurate, responsible journalism from the msm; clearly something beyond their own abilities these days.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
19. Its as though each MSM outlet has a different level of propaganda.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:56 PM
Mar 2022

But all carry the same general theme.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
105. You know that is the same question they ask about us right?
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 12:23 PM
Mar 2022

Simply, because it is difficult to recognize that you are being lied to and manipulated when you are right in the middle of it. When you are being manipulated, the manipulator isn't telling you, "Hey, I am going to manipulate you now." They start by making you feel special, you are the only "smart" ones who see past the lies of the "liberal media". They get you invested emotionally by making you angry and scared. Then they tell you that they are the only ones looking out for you. The elites don't care about "you, the little guy" but "We do".

There was a study done several years back asking people who identify as liberals and conservatives, where they got their information from. The liberals cited about 6 different sources spread out between different cable and terrestrial providers. Something like 70% to 75% of conservatives cited Fox News as their primary source of information.

Conservative media appears to know well, what motivates their audience.

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
137. Hardcore Fox news viewers don't want to figure it out. They don't care about the truth.
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 06:59 PM
Mar 2022

Fox tells them what they want to hear. Fox gives them excuses and cover for what they want to do to people and the country anyway. Fox gives them something else to do rather than be a decent citizen and participate in democracy. Democracy and self-government are too scary for them. They want an emperor, king or dictator they can simply pledge allegiance to, follow orders from and be done with it.

Fox provides upkeep for the agenda people have already been brainwashed with.

Baitball Blogger

(46,702 posts)
7. Just about the only things that seem to take down these toxic talking mouths is
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:47 PM
Mar 2022

accusations of sexual misbehavior and Covid.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
67. I believe you may have something here.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 03:30 PM
Mar 2022

Those who can make us laugh seem to make good, effective, and strong leaders.

Adding Al Franken to the mix.

TheBlackAdder

(28,186 posts)
8. First thing, FOX needs to be registered as a Foreign Agent.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:50 PM
Mar 2022

.



During a segment on Fox & Friends, co-host Will Cain suggested that Vice President Kamala Harris is unaware that Ukraine is not part of NATO.

"Indeed the question of whether Ukraine should or shouldn't be in NATO is the reason we're in this entire situation!" Campos-Duffy chimed in. "So it's not some small little -- we all make a mistake here and there but that's pretty decisive of a mistake."

"This is a shooting war," co-host Pete Hegseth opined, "and we send Kamala Harris over there to reassure the world, to reassure Zelenskyy, to reassure Poland that we stand behind them."

"How is it any different if you have Joe Biden or Kamala Harris?" Campos-Duffy said. "Honestly, if I was Zelenskyy right now, I would think, I wish Trump was in charge or I wish some other president was in charge."

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/03/fox-news-host-if-i-was-zelenskyy-right-now



.
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
24. The Office of FARA needs to double/triple it's staff size.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:00 PM
Mar 2022

Fox should be treated the same as Russia Today was.

TheBlackAdder

(28,186 posts)
35. Just as HRC put FOX on notice that they are verging towards Actual Malice. . .
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:09 PM
Mar 2022

.

The feds should notify these anti-American media groups that may enter a Foreign Agent review process.

.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
11. What we can do about Tucker Carlson
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:51 PM
Mar 2022

1) boycott the products and services that advertise in his time slot

2) to those companies that advertise in his time slot that you will no longer any products or services from companies that advertise in his time slot

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
57. The companies are lowbrow crap
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:33 PM
Mar 2022

I think Fox News is partially funded by Russia, it would explain a lot

keithbvadu2

(36,783 posts)
12. New Poll: 43% of Republicans Want to Give Trump the Power to Shut Down Media
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:51 PM
Mar 2022
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142128590

New Poll: 43% of Republicans Want to Give Trump the Power to Shut Down Media

Aug 2018

“Freedom of the press may be guaranteed in the Constitution. But a plurality of Republicans want to give President Trump the authority to close down certain news outlets, according to a new public opinion survey conducted by Ipsos and provided exclusively to The Daily Beast.”

So that same 43% of republicans would approve a democrat shutting down Fox news?

Walleye

(31,016 posts)
28. Are you kidding those 43% would approve of Trump shooting somebody on fifth Avenue.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:02 PM
Mar 2022

They don’t even approve of Democrats trying to give kids school lunches and stuff.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,347 posts)
85. Could we arrange for Trump and Tucker Carlson to be on fifth avenue?
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 12:42 AM
Mar 2022

Fill Trumpy full of cheap liquor, give him a gun and show him some doctored videos of Carlson denouncing him.
Problem solved!

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,784 posts)
15. BOYCOTT their advertisers...
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:52 PM
Mar 2022

Send them millions of emails that their sponsoring of FOX is propping up Russian Propaganda and the ILLEGAL war in Ukraine. Sponsoring MURDER and destruction is not an association they want.

Money talks.

MartyTheGreek

(565 posts)
20. Can we start by Canceling Paul Ryan BoD of FOX Corporation?
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 12:56 PM
Mar 2022

Retired U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan former speaker of the house sits on the Board of Directors at FOX! McCarthy said: I think Putin pays Trump. Then Paul Ryan said: "What's said in the Family stays in the family..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Corporation#:~:text=The%20company%20is%20owned%20by,news%2C%20and%20sports%20broadcasting%20industries.

"In an exchange first reported by the Washington Post, McCarthy said: “There’s …there’s two people, I think, Putin pays: [California Representative Dana] Rohrabacher and Trump … [laughter] … swear to God.”

As special counsel, Mueller has the power to subpoena documents and prosecute any crimes, independent of Congress.
Former FBI head Robert Mueller to oversee Trump-Russia investigation
Read more
According to the transcript, speaker Paul Ryan immediately responded: “This is an off-the-record … [laughter] … NO LEAKS … [laughter] … alright?!”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/17/putin-pays-donald-trump-kevin-mccarthy-recording

Midnight Writer

(21,751 posts)
26. Revoke Murdoch's citizenship and forbid him from operating in our country.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:01 PM
Mar 2022

We let this guy buy up our media property and engage in malicious lying, slandering, libeling, praising America's enemies and demonizing America's friends. He broadcasts harmful public health information, causing the deaths of thousands. He starts a "news" channel, takes advantage of our press freedoms, all the while denying that it is a news channel.

He is selling poison. If he ran a chain of restaurants and served harmful menu items and lied about what he was serving, if he ran a pharmaceutical company and manufactured poison and sold it as medicine, if he ran an investment firm and lied to his clients, if he ran a hospital and his doctors killed patients with bogus diagnosis and phony medicine, he could be held accountable.

But if he works everyday to undermine our nation, destroy our democracy, lie about virtually everything, spread disinformation, divisiveness, and hate?

Well, that's OK.

He has abused his privilege as an American citizen in order to hurt us all. The only reason he gets away with it is because he greases the right palms.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
31. THIS ONE. Post #26. ⬆️
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:05 PM
Mar 2022
Revoke Murdoch's citizenship and forbid him from operating in our country.

Its the only way. Cut off the head of the snake.
There's a hundred Tuckers, but only 1 Rupert Murdoch.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
79. Revoking citizenship
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 05:51 PM
Mar 2022

is not a path you want to go down:

1) You will lose 9-0 at SCOTUS
2) Every D immigrant will suddenly be on the hot seat the next administration
3) Fox News ownership structure isn't constrained by citizenship (unlike Fox Broadcast Channels), so even w/o citizenship nothing would change.

Chainfire

(17,532 posts)
29. I don't think that is against the law to lie.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:04 PM
Mar 2022

Vote with your pocketbook. Let Fox sponsors know how you feel and tell them what you will do.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
37. True. Same thing they did with the Covid & Vaccine/Fauci ordeal
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:12 PM
Mar 2022

Problem is, they lie it to millions of people who DO watch.
We can turn them off, but its the reach their propaganda has, that is damaging our Nation's best efforts.

When their intentional propaganda threatens the US National Security, maybe Rupert & Tucker can be shut down.

keithbvadu2

(36,783 posts)
45. Pillow guy must be the most prolific advertiser on Fox.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:20 PM
Mar 2022

Pillow guy must be the most prolific advertiser on Fox.

He whines that Fox does not support his Trump bullsh_t but he knows where the suckers are that buy his crap.

Chainfire

(17,532 posts)
47. Actually, his is a ways down the list. Something like number 10.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:22 PM
Mar 2022

A quick google search will show you the advertisers. In fact, I posted the link to the site earlier this morning in another thread.

Initech

(100,067 posts)
104. Yup, I was flipping through the channels to find basketball last night.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 12:04 PM
Mar 2022

Didn't take long for Pillow Douche to show up on Fox.

Chainfire

(17,532 posts)
46. That would be a good solution
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:20 PM
Mar 2022

but, without any evidence, I suspect that anonymous "employees" receive a government check every two weeks, that limits their options.

I would love to see, on the evening news, grainy surveillance video showing Carlson being hustled by three very large men, in masks, into the back of a black Suburban and disappearing into the fog and night, and hearing two weeks later that the unknown suspects are still at large. But then, I am a dreamer...

Beachnutt

(7,319 posts)
36. At least make fox play a disclaimer
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:09 PM
Mar 2022

on an hourly basis stating that fox is NOT a fact based news organization and the content must be taken as propaganda.

bucolic_frolic

(43,141 posts)
40. Wartime censorship would place restrictions on the press
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:15 PM
Mar 2022

and I would argue we are at war, both at home and abroad, but our involvement doesn't fit the classic and perhaps legal threshold of war.

But I think as far as freedom of the press is concerned we're getting close. And I do see reporters on TV that are giving seemingly official accounts that could have been written by our security agencies. They just don't say it, because we have a free press, but they toe the government line.

TDFG wanted restrictions on the press, but we have to be totally 1A Guys.

Chainfire

(17,532 posts)
52. I suspect that if we declared war, Fox would rethink its programming very rapidly.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:29 PM
Mar 2022

Freedom of the press to lie to us is a cornerstone of the foundation of our Democracy. They have to be allowed to spew, but we can certainly retaliate by freezing out their sponsors. These people only worship money, so we need to send them messages that affect their hearts, minds and pocketbooks. Keep those cards and letters coming in folks!

sop

(10,167 posts)
41. The Fox News Network is a cable news channel, not an over-the-air broadcast network.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:15 PM
Mar 2022

While the FCC licenses and regulates over-the-air broadcasts, it has no authority over cable news channels. The FCC regulates broadcast networks because the airwaves are free and public, but cable networks rely on subscribers, viewers and advertisers. Since cable runs through private providers, the FCC plays no role in issuing or revoking licenses, and it has no say on what the channels can air.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
43. True. ..Dang, there has to be one loophole they cannot use.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:19 PM
Mar 2022

Rupert Murdoch's organization is a National Security threat.

bucolic_frolic

(43,141 posts)
44. Fox News doesn't have over the air legacy broadcasts?
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:19 PM
Mar 2022

Not the cable channel, but FOX5 NY? Don't they also broadcast a nightly news show?

sop

(10,167 posts)
59. The Fox Broadcasting Company is an over-the-air television network licensed by the FCC,
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:36 PM
Mar 2022

The Fox News Network is a cable news channel. The FCC licenses and regulates over-the-air broadcasts, but has no authority over cable news channels. I'm not sure about all the local FOX affiliates like FOX5 NY, but they're probably part of the Fox Broadcasting Company.

bucolic_frolic

(43,141 posts)
61. Legally separate broadcast entities with intertwined financial and political interests
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:39 PM
Mar 2022

Ain't that convenient. If they run so much as a commercial for Tucker on over the airways public airwaves, they ain't so separate as some would believe.

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
42. Carlson and Fox are seditious.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:18 PM
Mar 2022

That is the bottom line.

We are a free country that believes in freedom of speech but that does not allow for open sedition like what's happening now.

I believe there are laws to address this. Someone needs to grow a pair and enforce them.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
54. Why sure,
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:31 PM
Mar 2022

the repukes would love to have that kind of power, to shut down, oh say, Rachael Maddow?, MSNBC? CNN and every other that they feel is seditious.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
56. And Tulsi Gabbard, as well.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:33 PM
Mar 2022



@deardrewdixon. 2hrs ago
"Please report this dangerous Tweet disseminating a lie which could pave the way for Putin to use chemical or biological weapons on Ukrainians."

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
60. It's amazing to me how many people don't get that,
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:37 PM
Mar 2022

and how the repukes would just love to have that kind of power.

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
63. They already have that kind of power and you can bet if a Democrat was to do .001% of what they are
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 02:17 PM
Mar 2022

doing now we would have investigations and trials going on.

Didn't know endangering nation security was a free speech issue. Good to know.

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
77. Bullshit?
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 05:22 PM
Mar 2022

You don't think that Republicans would be mining every law and ruling going back the last 200 years to pin sedition on Democrats if they and their mouthpieces were working hand in hand with Putin and the Kremlin?

That is beyond naive.


They have the same power as Democrats to cite laws that are already on the books and investigate what they feel is contrary to US national security. The only reason they are not doing that is because they are on the side of the bad guys.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
78. Yes,
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 05:35 PM
Mar 2022

BULLSHIT.

The repukes don't have the power to... oh, never mind, you're not worth my time.

Have a great Sunday.

yagotme

(2,919 posts)
82. Yes, too bad that the Rethugs shut down CNN, MSNBC, etc.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:28 PM
Mar 2022

when they were in power. I'm going to miss them. Oh, wait, they couldn't...

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
83. CNN, MSNBC, etc. weren't aiding and abetting an enemy of the United States.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 10:25 PM
Mar 2022

But what if they were, like Fox is now? Think they would have passed it off as "free speech"? If they couldn't find any laws that were broken do you think any journalists would have been canned or had their careers ruined? Think they wouldn't have been under scrutiny from the FCC?

Why are so many terrified of taking Fox to task?





tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
88. Because most of us are not authoritarians determined to find loopholes
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 01:34 AM
Mar 2022

in the First Amendment to suppress speech we don’t like.

Response to tritsofme (Reply #88)

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
93. Saying "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 11:01 AM
Mar 2022

is not apologizing for detestable speech.

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
101. Yelling free speech is not a free pass on responsibility and concequences.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 11:50 AM
Mar 2022

Don't falsely cry fire in a crowded movie theater creating a stampede and then whine about your free speech when the cops show up at your door later on.

Fox and Carlson are not merely stating an opinion. They are allegedly engaging in questionable activity with a hostile foreign power.

That is not a free speech issue.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
124. I think on the matter of topics in which I have no expertise, I would defer to those who do.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 04:18 PM
Mar 2022

Bullshitting your way through life is no way to live, son.

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
125. You need a lawyer to figure out the difference between free speech and propaganda?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 05:05 PM
Mar 2022

Talk about bullshiting your way through life.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
126. So, you are asking me whether I would need a lawyer to determine if a thing is legal?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 05:12 PM
Mar 2022

Yeah, my dude. That's kind of what lawyers are for.

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
128. Where did legality come into question here?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 06:07 PM
Mar 2022

I said allegedly Fox and Carlson engaged in some type of collaboration with Putin in their propaganda. I drew no legal conclusions.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
107. Should those who supported North Vietnam during the Vietnam War have had legal action taken against
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 12:27 PM
Mar 2022

them?

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
116. If they had been working with the Kremlin while TASS was hailing them as a partner in their
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 04:38 PM
Mar 2022

reporting, along with their support of a POTUS who was openly supporting the Soviet leader and sharing classified material with him, all while supporting North Vietnam, then yes, legal action would have been a good idea.

Wouldn't you think so?

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
120. That's not what I asked. We were in an armed conflict with North Vietnam at the time. Should
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 05:45 PM
Mar 2022

anyone who publicly supported them (Jane Fonda, for instance) have been prosecuted?

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
122. Apples to oranges. You are trying to move the goal posts.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 07:31 PM
Mar 2022

The topic here is collaboration of a world wide news organization with an enemy world power. Not a young actress looking for peace who was used as a communist propaganda prop.

Get real.


yagotme

(2,919 posts)
123. Was she being used as a prop,
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:26 PM
Mar 2022

when she handed the papers with ID info that the prisoners had sneaked to her, over to the guards, or was that a willful act on her part?

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
127. So now it's "Hanoi Jane" time?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 05:15 PM
Mar 2022

Does that make foreign influenced and financed Fox propaganda free speech now because of something that happened fifty years ago?

yagotme

(2,919 posts)
129. Fox is "talking", (think "speech",)
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 10:56 AM
Mar 2022

while Fonda actively engaged against our troops, on our enemies' soil. That's what Hero and myself are trying to get across. Yes, it's apples and oranges, and one fruit is a little more rotten than the other, but the freshest fruit should be the one thrown out???

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
132. A huge part of what has been said about Fonda has been proven false yet it's still making the rounds
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 12:21 AM
Mar 2022

in right wing circles decades later.

However the so-called "fresher fruit", Fox and their "free speech" mouthpieces, are actively engaged in shilling for armed goons monitoring elections, legislatures rejecting bonafide election results, gerrymandering voting districts to the GOP's favor and purging voter lists of likely Democratic voters.

That is real suppression of free speech.


And of course there is Trump's collusion with Putin, his election lies, his attempted coup and his promises of a dictatorship of payback and pardons if his minions help him try and pull off another coup again. All promoted by Fox's bastardization and abuse of "free speech".


I am much more concerned about the damage Fox is trying to do to the country than I am about their free speech claims that are used as nothing more than a cover word for their subversive and seditious propaganda.



yagotme

(2,919 posts)
134. I know the gerrymandering part is 100% true,
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 06:23 PM
Mar 2022

but our party is doing it also. Went round and round with this in another thread, don't want another "Yeah, but we need to do it first" back-and-forth.

And, there are actual photos of her sitting in an NVA AA unit, laughing. That can't be unseen.

brooklynite

(94,510 posts)
141. MSNBC (and CNN) went after Trump during his Administration; so did the Times and Post
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 09:13 PM
Mar 2022

Point to a law used to go after them.

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
142. What does CNN and the rest of the media you mentioned have to do with Republicans trying to charge
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 02:39 AM
Mar 2022

Democrats with treason or sedition if they were saying the same things the Repugs are saying now? Are you saying Repugs would never do that?

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
98. That is the answer.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 11:19 AM
Mar 2022

Everyone who pays for cable or satellite TV is directly supporting Tucker Carlson.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
111. Who in their right mind watches Fox Nooz in the first place?
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 12:32 PM
Mar 2022

Tough lift trying to convince its groupies that what they’re hearing are regurgitated lies told by a traitor.

dwayneb

(768 posts)
113. We don't - but plenty of dimbulbs watch it
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 12:37 PM
Mar 2022

And, these fully brainwashed dimwits vote. Putin has been working toward this for decades. He is playing America like a fiddle.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
84. Yes. It's in the Constitution about "giving aid and comfort to the enemy."
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 10:31 PM
Mar 2022

....under the section about "treason."

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
86. Were anti-war protesters arrested during the Vietnam war and charged with treason?
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 01:00 AM
Mar 2022

Or during the Iraq war? No. Because its not. And its not now.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
90. One has to prove intent. Also, a war has to be going on.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 03:19 AM
Mar 2022

The Rosenberg's were executed for espionage but were never charged with treason.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
97. There are a few problems with that.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 11:16 AM
Mar 2022

First, the US is not currently at war with Russia, so it's not an enemy. Second, the Supreme Court has ruled that "aid and comfort" means material aid and comfort. Speech is not treason.

PufPuf23

(8,769 posts)
89. One (or Authorities) could wonder if Tucker Carlson has an Email problem.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 02:06 AM
Mar 2022

specifically, has Tucker Carlson communicated by email that is evidence that he is compromised in what he promotes on Fox.

Wonder about the legal process and what laws that could apply?

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
96. According to your own personal, unique definition of the word "treason", perhaps.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 11:12 AM
Mar 2022

Not according the Constitution of the United States.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
100. People on DU could stop financing Tucker Carson and cancel their cable.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 11:31 AM
Mar 2022

There is no real reason to have cable TV nowadays. Those that do are simply giving money to support Fox News.

Peacetrain

(22,875 posts)
106. In our country you are free to lie all you want to. But if you use your freedoms to push traitorous
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 12:26 PM
Mar 2022

actions.. then I think there are consequences for that.. if not for Carlson at least for Fox News for giving him the platform to attack our country with his support of such a murderous dictator

Peacetrain

(22,875 posts)
112. In my heart it does...but technically you are correct
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 12:36 PM
Mar 2022

But I think he is a huge traitor to our Democracy.. and I have the freedom to call it out

dwayneb

(768 posts)
110. Once there is a declaration of war
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 12:32 PM
Mar 2022

But either US against Russia, or Russia against the US, then it would certainly be possible to shut him down as either openly treasonous or seditious.

Until then he is free to spread his poison and do Putin's bidding.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
115. What would cause the FCC to revoke a license?
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 12:43 PM
Mar 2022

I know there is a “public good” argument. But has that ever been tried?

melm00se

(4,991 posts)
119. No one thinks that this
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 04:59 PM
Mar 2022

is something that the Kremlin might release hoping that Tucker Carlson and Fox are shut down which would further fracture and separate the left and right?

DFW

(54,365 posts)
130. The Russian text below Carlson's photo says "Tucker Carson"
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 11:06 AM
Mar 2022

Even the Russians are now writing in Republicanese!

brooklynite

(94,510 posts)
135. Simple answer: no. Nor should we.
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 06:27 PM
Mar 2022

Fox News is not under FCC jurisdiction and he hasn’t committed a crime.

The first Amendment applies to everyone, even people we don’t like.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
139. Probably not.
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 07:50 PM
Mar 2022

And it doesn't matter. The fallout from shutting him down would probably be way worse than just enduring his bullshit.

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