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Kremlin memos obtained by @MotherJones show Putin's government pushing Russian media to use #TuckerCarlson "as much as possible" in its #Ukraine war coverage. They include the talking point that the US is engaged in "biogenocide" against Russia.Link to tweet
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/exclusive-kremlin-putin-russia-ukraine-war-memo-tucker-carlson-fox/
Leaked Kremlin Memo to Russian Media: It Is Essential to Feature Tucker Carlson
The Russian government has pressed outlets to highlight the Fox hosts Putin-helping broadcasts.
Walleye
(31,016 posts)brooklynite
(94,510 posts)Walleye
(31,016 posts)brooklynite
(94,510 posts)mucifer
(23,536 posts)Walleye
(31,016 posts)its not censorship and its not too much to askl
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)blocking it, which is a clear violation of the 1st. Amendment.
Tucker Carlson is an ass, no doubt about that, but he is an American, as far as we know, and is afforded the same rights as you and I.
Walleye
(31,016 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)its not censorship and its not too much to askl
Forcing them would be a form of censorship, now if it's done voluntarily, that's a whole different ball of wax, there would be no coercion involved.
Walleye
(31,016 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)I'm a real stickler for the 1st Amendment, along with the rest of them, I may hate what someone has to say, but I do support their right to say it.
Walleye
(31,016 posts)Question is how do we stop our enemies from using our freedom against us
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)TheProle
(2,167 posts)Walleye
(31,016 posts)You have to assume that people actually have ideas. Not just hatred and anger
JustAnotherGen
(31,816 posts)My dad was stationed in Weisbaden. My mom had made a few German Friends and that's how she got her back WaPos from her parents during Watergate.
My dad was a Green Beret so their mail was highly scrutinuzed.
Then again they used to air reruns of Hogans Heroes too
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)I was stationed there at the time, but this is a whole different time and I hardly see any Federal court upholding such a ban by the Govt., on the other hand, if it's done voluntarily, then no censorship.
Mr. Evil
(2,841 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)Really?
Shouting fire in a theater is 100% legal as long as you believe that there is a fire.
Try again.
If you truly believe that he's violating the law, then my advice to you is to:
A. Contact the US Attorney's Office and file a complaint, or
B. File a lawsuit against Faux, Fucker Carlson and see how far that gets you.
Bottom line is that the shit he's spewing is protected speech under the 1st Amendment.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)At the very least!
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)It would be violation of the 1st Amendment by the Govt. and no Federal court would uphold such a ban.
niyad
(113,275 posts)unblock
(52,205 posts)and always note the how the Republican talking points are always coordinated and always serving Russia's interests.
But that would demand accurate, responsible journalism from the msm; clearly something beyond their own abilities these days.
Budi
(15,325 posts)But all carry the same general theme.
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Caliman73
(11,736 posts)Simply, because it is difficult to recognize that you are being lied to and manipulated when you are right in the middle of it. When you are being manipulated, the manipulator isn't telling you, "Hey, I am going to manipulate you now." They start by making you feel special, you are the only "smart" ones who see past the lies of the "liberal media". They get you invested emotionally by making you angry and scared. Then they tell you that they are the only ones looking out for you. The elites don't care about "you, the little guy" but "We do".
There was a study done several years back asking people who identify as liberals and conservatives, where they got their information from. The liberals cited about 6 different sources spread out between different cable and terrestrial providers. Something like 70% to 75% of conservatives cited Fox News as their primary source of information.
Conservative media appears to know well, what motivates their audience.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)Fox tells them what they want to hear. Fox gives them excuses and cover for what they want to do to people and the country anyway. Fox gives them something else to do rather than be a decent citizen and participate in democracy. Democracy and self-government are too scary for them. They want an emperor, king or dictator they can simply pledge allegiance to, follow orders from and be done with it.
Fox provides upkeep for the agenda people have already been brainwashed with.
Baitball Blogger
(46,702 posts)accusations of sexual misbehavior and Covid.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,702 posts)The comedians will save the planet!!!!
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Those who can make us laugh seem to make good, effective, and strong leaders.
Adding Al Franken to the mix.
Baitball Blogger
(46,702 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,186 posts).
During a segment on Fox & Friends, co-host Will Cain suggested that Vice President Kamala Harris is unaware that Ukraine is not part of NATO.
"Indeed the question of whether Ukraine should or shouldn't be in NATO is the reason we're in this entire situation!" Campos-Duffy chimed in. "So it's not some small little -- we all make a mistake here and there but that's pretty decisive of a mistake."
"This is a shooting war," co-host Pete Hegseth opined, "and we send Kamala Harris over there to reassure the world, to reassure Zelenskyy, to reassure Poland that we stand behind them."
"How is it any different if you have Joe Biden or Kamala Harris?" Campos-Duffy said. "Honestly, if I was Zelenskyy right now, I would think, I wish Trump was in charge or I wish some other president was in charge."
https://crooksandliars.com/2022/03/fox-news-host-if-i-was-zelenskyy-right-now
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MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Fox should be treated the same as Russia Today was.
TheBlackAdder
(28,186 posts).
The feds should notify these anti-American media groups that may enter a Foreign Agent review process.
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Budi
(15,325 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)1) boycott the products and services that advertise in his time slot
2) to those companies that advertise in his time slot that you will no longer any products or services from companies that advertise in his time slot
Skittles
(153,150 posts)I think Fox News is partially funded by Russia, it would explain a lot
keithbvadu2
(36,783 posts)New Poll: 43% of Republicans Want to Give Trump the Power to Shut Down Media
Aug 2018
Freedom of the press may be guaranteed in the Constitution. But a plurality of Republicans want to give President Trump the authority to close down certain news outlets, according to a new public opinion survey conducted by Ipsos and provided exclusively to The Daily Beast.
So that same 43% of republicans would approve a democrat shutting down Fox news?
Walleye
(31,016 posts)They dont even approve of Democrats trying to give kids school lunches and stuff.
DemocraticPatriot
(4,347 posts)Fill Trumpy full of cheap liquor, give him a gun and show him some doctored videos of Carlson denouncing him.
Problem solved!
cos dem
(903 posts)With frequent reminders about the fate of Haw-Haw.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,784 posts)Send them millions of emails that their sponsoring of FOX is propping up Russian Propaganda and the ILLEGAL war in Ukraine. Sponsoring MURDER and destruction is not an association they want.
Money talks.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)hit them in the wallet, hard.
PSPS
(13,593 posts)Mariana
(14,856 posts)MartyTheGreek
(565 posts)Retired U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan former speaker of the house sits on the Board of Directors at FOX! McCarthy said: I think Putin pays Trump. Then Paul Ryan said: "What's said in the Family stays in the family..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Corporation#:~:text=The%20company%20is%20owned%20by,news%2C%20and%20sports%20broadcasting%20industries.
"In an exchange first reported by the Washington Post, McCarthy said: Theres
theres two people, I think, Putin pays: [California Representative Dana] Rohrabacher and Trump
[laughter]
swear to God.
As special counsel, Mueller has the power to subpoena documents and prosecute any crimes, independent of Congress.
Former FBI head Robert Mueller to oversee Trump-Russia investigation
Read more
According to the transcript, speaker Paul Ryan immediately responded: This is an off-the-record
[laughter]
NO LEAKS
[laughter]
alright?!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/17/putin-pays-donald-trump-kevin-mccarthy-recording
MichMan
(11,912 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,751 posts)We let this guy buy up our media property and engage in malicious lying, slandering, libeling, praising America's enemies and demonizing America's friends. He broadcasts harmful public health information, causing the deaths of thousands. He starts a "news" channel, takes advantage of our press freedoms, all the while denying that it is a news channel.
He is selling poison. If he ran a chain of restaurants and served harmful menu items and lied about what he was serving, if he ran a pharmaceutical company and manufactured poison and sold it as medicine, if he ran an investment firm and lied to his clients, if he ran a hospital and his doctors killed patients with bogus diagnosis and phony medicine, he could be held accountable.
But if he works everyday to undermine our nation, destroy our democracy, lie about virtually everything, spread disinformation, divisiveness, and hate?
Well, that's OK.
He has abused his privilege as an American citizen in order to hurt us all. The only reason he gets away with it is because he greases the right palms.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Its the only way. Cut off the head of the snake.
There's a hundred Tuckers, but only 1 Rupert Murdoch.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Sgent
(5,857 posts)is not a path you want to go down:
1) You will lose 9-0 at SCOTUS
2) Every D immigrant will suddenly be on the hot seat the next administration
3) Fox News ownership structure isn't constrained by citizenship (unlike Fox Broadcast Channels), so even w/o citizenship nothing would change.
Celerity
(43,333 posts)Chainfire
(17,532 posts)Vote with your pocketbook. Let Fox sponsors know how you feel and tell them what you will do.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Problem is, they lie it to millions of people who DO watch.
We can turn them off, but its the reach their propaganda has, that is damaging our Nation's best efforts.
When their intentional propaganda threatens the US National Security, maybe Rupert & Tucker can be shut down.
keithbvadu2
(36,783 posts)Pillow guy must be the most prolific advertiser on Fox.
He whines that Fox does not support his Trump bullsh_t but he knows where the suckers are that buy his crap.
Chainfire
(17,532 posts)A quick google search will show you the advertisers. In fact, I posted the link to the site earlier this morning in another thread.
Initech
(100,067 posts)Didn't take long for Pillow Douche to show up on Fox.
essaynnc
(801 posts)Chainfire
(17,532 posts)but, without any evidence, I suspect that anonymous "employees" receive a government check every two weeks, that limits their options.
I would love to see, on the evening news, grainy surveillance video showing Carlson being hustled by three very large men, in masks, into the back of a black Suburban and disappearing into the fog and night, and hearing two weeks later that the unknown suspects are still at large. But then, I am a dreamer...
gibraltar72
(7,503 posts)Beachnutt
(7,319 posts)on an hourly basis stating that fox is NOT a fact based news organization and the content must be taken as propaganda.
bucolic_frolic
(43,141 posts)and I would argue we are at war, both at home and abroad, but our involvement doesn't fit the classic and perhaps legal threshold of war.
But I think as far as freedom of the press is concerned we're getting close. And I do see reporters on TV that are giving seemingly official accounts that could have been written by our security agencies. They just don't say it, because we have a free press, but they toe the government line.
TDFG wanted restrictions on the press, but we have to be totally 1A Guys.
Chainfire
(17,532 posts)Freedom of the press to lie to us is a cornerstone of the foundation of our Democracy. They have to be allowed to spew, but we can certainly retaliate by freezing out their sponsors. These people only worship money, so we need to send them messages that affect their hearts, minds and pocketbooks. Keep those cards and letters coming in folks!
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)that's the way to do it, hit them in the wallet.
sop
(10,167 posts)While the FCC licenses and regulates over-the-air broadcasts, it has no authority over cable news channels. The FCC regulates broadcast networks because the airwaves are free and public, but cable networks rely on subscribers, viewers and advertisers. Since cable runs through private providers, the FCC plays no role in issuing or revoking licenses, and it has no say on what the channels can air.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Rupert Murdoch's organization is a National Security threat.
bucolic_frolic
(43,141 posts)Not the cable channel, but FOX5 NY? Don't they also broadcast a nightly news show?
sop
(10,167 posts)The Fox News Network is a cable news channel. The FCC licenses and regulates over-the-air broadcasts, but has no authority over cable news channels. I'm not sure about all the local FOX affiliates like FOX5 NY, but they're probably part of the Fox Broadcasting Company.
bucolic_frolic
(43,141 posts)Ain't that convenient. If they run so much as a commercial for Tucker on over the airways public airwaves, they ain't so separate as some would believe.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)That is the bottom line.
We are a free country that believes in freedom of speech but that does not allow for open sedition like what's happening now.
I believe there are laws to address this. Someone needs to grow a pair and enforce them.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)the repukes would love to have that kind of power, to shut down, oh say, Rachael Maddow?, MSNBC? CNN and every other that they feel is seditious.
Be careful what you wish for.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)I tend to believe my own eyes and ears but other people's views may vary.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Link to tweet
@deardrewdixon. 2hrs ago
"Please report this dangerous Tweet disseminating a lie which could pave the way for Putin to use chemical or biological weapons on Ukrainians."
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)With friends like her, who needs enemies?
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)and how the repukes would just love to have that kind of power.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)doing now we would have investigations and trials going on.
Didn't know endangering nation security was a free speech issue. Good to know.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)They do not have that kind of power, but you seem willing to give it to them.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)You don't think that Republicans would be mining every law and ruling going back the last 200 years to pin sedition on Democrats if they and their mouthpieces were working hand in hand with Putin and the Kremlin?
That is beyond naive.
They have the same power as Democrats to cite laws that are already on the books and investigate what they feel is contrary to US national security. The only reason they are not doing that is because they are on the side of the bad guys.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)BULLSHIT.
The repukes don't have the power to... oh, never mind, you're not worth my time.
Have a great Sunday.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)yagotme
(2,919 posts)when they were in power. I'm going to miss them. Oh, wait, they couldn't...
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)But what if they were, like Fox is now? Think they would have passed it off as "free speech"? If they couldn't find any laws that were broken do you think any journalists would have been canned or had their careers ruined? Think they wouldn't have been under scrutiny from the FCC?
Why are so many terrified of taking Fox to task?
tritsofme
(17,376 posts)in the First Amendment to suppress speech we dont like.
Response to tritsofme (Reply #88)
hadEnuf This message was self-deleted by its author.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)I'm just not a Fox News apologist.
Free Speech also carries responsibility.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)is not apologizing for detestable speech.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)Don't falsely cry fire in a crowded movie theater creating a stampede and then whine about your free speech when the cops show up at your door later on.
Fox and Carlson are not merely stating an opinion. They are allegedly engaging in questionable activity with a hostile foreign power.
That is not a free speech issue.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Bullshitting your way through life is no way to live, son.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)Talk about bullshiting your way through life.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Yeah, my dude. That's kind of what lawyers are for.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)I said allegedly Fox and Carlson engaged in some type of collaboration with Putin in their propaganda. I drew no legal conclusions.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)them?
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)reporting, along with their support of a POTUS who was openly supporting the Soviet leader and sharing classified material with him, all while supporting North Vietnam, then yes, legal action would have been a good idea.
Wouldn't you think so?
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)anyone who publicly supported them (Jane Fonda, for instance) have been prosecuted?
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)The topic here is collaboration of a world wide news organization with an enemy world power. Not a young actress looking for peace who was used as a communist propaganda prop.
Get real.
yagotme
(2,919 posts)when she handed the papers with ID info that the prisoners had sneaked to her, over to the guards, or was that a willful act on her part?
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)Does that make foreign influenced and financed Fox propaganda free speech now because of something that happened fifty years ago?
yagotme
(2,919 posts)while Fonda actively engaged against our troops, on our enemies' soil. That's what Hero and myself are trying to get across. Yes, it's apples and oranges, and one fruit is a little more rotten than the other, but the freshest fruit should be the one thrown out???
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)in right wing circles decades later.
However the so-called "fresher fruit", Fox and their "free speech" mouthpieces, are actively engaged in shilling for armed goons monitoring elections, legislatures rejecting bonafide election results, gerrymandering voting districts to the GOP's favor and purging voter lists of likely Democratic voters.
That is real suppression of free speech.
And of course there is Trump's collusion with Putin, his election lies, his attempted coup and his promises of a dictatorship of payback and pardons if his minions help him try and pull off another coup again. All promoted by Fox's bastardization and abuse of "free speech".
I am much more concerned about the damage Fox is trying to do to the country than I am about their free speech claims that are used as nothing more than a cover word for their subversive and seditious propaganda.
yagotme
(2,919 posts)but our party is doing it also. Went round and round with this in another thread, don't want another "Yeah, but we need to do it first" back-and-forth.
And, there are actual photos of her sitting in an NVA AA unit, laughing. That can't be unseen.
brooklynite
(94,510 posts)Point to a law used to go after them.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)Democrats with treason or sedition if they were saying the same things the Repugs are saying now? Are you saying Repugs would never do that?
Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)hunter
(38,311 posts)Easy.
Mariana
(14,856 posts)Everyone who pays for cable or satellite TV is directly supporting Tucker Carlson.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Tough lift trying to convince its groupies that what theyre hearing are regurgitated lies told by a traitor.
dwayneb
(768 posts)And, these fully brainwashed dimwits vote. Putin has been working toward this for decades. He is playing America like a fiddle.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)Just put him on one of the oligarch's yacht for the duration.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)....under the section about "treason."
former9thward
(31,987 posts)Or during the Iraq war? No. Because its not. And its not now.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)The Rosenberg's were executed for espionage but were never charged with treason.
Mariana
(14,856 posts)First, the US is not currently at war with Russia, so it's not an enemy. Second, the Supreme Court has ruled that "aid and comfort" means material aid and comfort. Speech is not treason.
PufPuf23
(8,769 posts)specifically, has Tucker Carlson communicated by email that is evidence that he is compromised in what he promotes on Fox.
Wonder about the legal process and what laws that could apply?
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)Mariana
(14,856 posts)Not according the Constitution of the United States.
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)There is no real reason to have cable TV nowadays. Those that do are simply giving money to support Fox News.
Initech
(100,067 posts)This is treason!
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)actions.. then I think there are consequences for that.. if not for Carlson at least for Fox News for giving him the platform to attack our country with his support of such a murderous dictator
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)But I think he is a huge traitor to our Democracy.. and I have the freedom to call it out
dwayneb
(768 posts)But either US against Russia, or Russia against the US, then it would certainly be possible to shut him down as either openly treasonous or seditious.
Until then he is free to spread his poison and do Putin's bidding.
Jose Garcia
(2,595 posts)Countries usualky don't do that anymore.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)I know there is a public good argument. But has that ever been tried?
onenote
(42,700 posts)It's a cable network, not a broadcast channel.
melm00se
(4,991 posts)is something that the Kremlin might release hoping that Tucker Carlson and Fox are shut down which would further fracture and separate the left and right?
EarthFirst
(2,900 posts)DFW
(54,365 posts)Even the Russians are now writing in Republicanese!
niyad
(113,275 posts)brooklynite
(94,510 posts)Fox News is not under FCC jurisdiction and he hasnt committed a crime.
The first Amendment applies to everyone, even people we dont like.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)And it doesn't matter. The fallout from shutting him down would probably be way worse than just enduring his bullshit.