Is anyone else concerned about the media revealing too much re: Ukrainian ground situation?

[mysteryowl]

I just watched a CNN clip posted on DU and they "announced" there is humanitarian aid on its way to Mariupol.
They said it was 2 hours away. None of us need to know that! Report on them getting the aid, not before.

Wow, that would be juicy intel for Russians.

[hlthe2b]

1. Some of the military analysts seem to be articulating a roadmap for Russians to take to defeat

the Ukrainians. I know some of it is pretty obvious, but they are so matter-of-fact about it, that I find it alarming and really hard to listen to. There is a fine-line and most of them seem to be trying to be very professional, but I find it often disturbing and sometimes questionable.

[mysteryowl]

2. Yep, I think they go too far.

Russia IS listening.

[drray23]

3. yes what was it during WW2 ?

Loose lips sink ships. It was on posters.

[Tomconroy]

4. Quite sure the Russians knew about this.

In the OSINT community a lot of people won't show much video of Ukraine troops or lost equipment for that reason though.

[mysteryowl]

5. I understand, but IMO why take the chance.

with my example of humanitarian aid coming in "2-hours", couldn't they just wait until they had it???
I know you and I can't do anything about it though.

[Talitha]

6. Geraldo Rivera comes to mind...

[mysteryowl]

7. I don't listen to him at all.

What's he doing?

[Deuce]

8. Yes...

[modrepub]

9. And You Don't Think NATO

if providing Ukraine with any information?!?

I suspect the information our News networks are providing, which is limited by the number of folks on the ground and other logistical issues (ducking bombs), is of much poorer quality than what's being shared through back channels with Ukraine.

TBH, there's an abundance of misinformation out there meant to confuse the other side's opponents. Don't take anything too seriously. If you have to believe anything, then believe whichever side is providing live or near live video from Kyiv. The rest is just noise.

[mysteryowl]

10. I am not talking about NATO or back channel intel for Ukraine.

The reporting that triggered my post is in the beginning of this clip.

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[UTUSN]

11. Yip, it's been like that for years - forget "Loose lips sink ships"

plus all the Yakking Heads of retired "experts" and plain non-experts armchair quarterbacking. It's like a fast track to becoming ungovernable, with every individual claiming to run everything from each individual head.

The Romans knew they had to manage the mass population by keeping them fed (bread), conquering to import foodstuff for the Roman one million population, and distractions/entertainment (circuses), the gladiator games and hundreds of holidays per year - all towards the goal of keeping the order stable: "Don't bother your pretty little heads about what goes on at the top - leave that to the main players up there." - in our case the circuses being the NFL/NBA and the bread being the price of gasoline.

There was a video somewhere of pre/post WW II in Italy, with interviews of people focusing on their personal daily lifes, apathetic about being involved in issues, blase about whatever "news" of corruption or even of accomplishment - like, with their thousands of years of history they've seen it all - the rise and fall of "great" individuals and cities, all facets of human virtues, flaws, vices. Such that they put all that aside to focus on their couple of city blocks, neighborhood, grocery store, nothing bigger.

But we're disintegrating the other way with each individual being a quarterback and no team.

[mysteryowl]

13. Yep, all the experts coming out of the woodwork needs to stop.

I agree.

[David__77]

12. I doubt anything is being said on TV especially that isn't communicated openly elsewhere.

There are tons of social media that provides streams of information on military and non-military movements, and some of it isn’t erroneous.

[BComplex]

14. Another thread reported it got blown up.

I agree with your post.

[gulliver]

15. Yep, CNN is terrible about it

They routinely ask Ukrainians on air, "How long do you think you'll be able to hold out? Where are the Russians coming from? Do you have enough food and medical supplies?" And a lot of times, the people give answers.

I've heard Russian communications with their forces are very bad, so I at least hope they don't get CNN.

[milestogo]

16. I think the reporting is extremely positive.

I have a feeling things are much worse than what we are being told.

[bottomofthehill]

17. In the modern media world opsec is out the window.

There is a reason the the CIA exists. It is for reasons such as this. We lost a generation of cold worriers as the focus was turned to the Middle East, but now the expertise is needed back where is was from the late 40’s to the mid 90’s.

The CIA had a very strong understanding of and ability to prosecute a proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan in large part because of the secrecy of it. If we, the Pols and other Nato countries were capable of any opsec at all, the Polish Aircraft would be in Ukraine today. We would be developing supply routs for arms and munitions and a program to get people in and out of the country. Instead we have everything splashed all over the news.


There is a point that the professionals need to be able to do what they do without people needing to talk so much about it.

I am sick for the people of Ukraine, we have people who are trained and have the ability to work this situation. We have to let them