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Nevilledog

(51,094 posts)
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 08:36 PM Mar 2022

Is It Time to Call Putin's War in Ukraine Genocide?





https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/is-it-time-to-call-putins-war-in-ukraine-genocide

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“We have to call this what it is,” Volodymyr Zelensky said, late last month, a few days after Vladimir Putin had ordered the invasion and conquest of Ukraine. “Russia’s criminal actions against Ukraine show signs of genocide.” President Zelensky, who lost family members during the Holocaust, and who also happens to have a law degree, sounded suitably cautious about invoking genocide, and he called for the International Criminal Court in The Hague to send war-crimes investigators as a first step. But such investigations take years, and rarely result in convictions. (Since the I.C.C. was established in 1998, it has indicted only Africans; and Russia, like the United States, refuses its jurisdiction.) The only court that Zelensky can make his case in for now is the court of global public opinion, where his instincts, drawing on deep wells of courage and conviction, have been unerring. And by the end of the invasion’s second week—with Putin’s indiscriminate bombardment of civilian targets intensifying, and the death toll mounting rapidly; with more than two and a half million Ukrainians having fled the country, and millions more under relentless attack in besieged cities and towns; and with no end in sight—Zelensky no longer deferred to outside experts to describe what Ukrainians face in the most absolute terms. “I will appeal directly to the nations of the world if the leaders of the world do not make every effort to stop this war,” he said in a video message on Tuesday. He paused, and looking directly into the camera, added, “This genocide.”

Genocide, the word and the idea, is colloquially understood to describe an effort to exterminate members of a definable identity group through targeted killings. Because the best-known cases involve staggering death tolls—the extirpation of Native Americans and Indigenous peoples in the United States and Canada, of Armenians under the Ottomans, of European Jews in the Holocaust, of Rwandan Tutsis at the hands of Hutu Power in 1994—genocide is often assumed to mean mass slaughter, and to have drastic demographic consequences. But, in international law, genocide has nothing explicitly to do with the enormity of criminal acts. Rather, according to the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, it is defined by the enormity of criminal intent:

Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


By this standard, Putin’s war of obliteration comes readily into focus as genocidal, if not—to date, anyway—as comprehensive genocide. His apparent objective is to extinguish Ukraine as an independent nation, and to subsume it and its surviving population into Russia, where he claims it naturally belongs. As he prepared to attack, massing his forces on Ukraine’s borders, and pretending to engage in diplomatic brinkmanship, he seemed to imagine that the threat of overwhelming force might inspire Ukraine’s leaders to capitulate and surrender preëmptively to his diktat. In early February, after President Emmanuel Macron, of France, flew to Moscow to try to reason with him, they held a joint press conference in which Putin said, as if addressing Ukraine directly, “Like it or not, take it, my beauty.” The line was immediately recognized as a reference to a luridly menacing song about necrophiliac rape by the punk band Red Mold. The Kremlin and its press organs airbrushed the taunt out of the official transcripts. But Putin had made himself clear: he viewed Ukraine as a corpse, and would have his way with it.

In announcing the start of the war, Putin spoke dismissively of Ukraine as a historical fiction, denying its sovereign existence, and portrayed his invasion, absurdly, as a sort of humanitarian mission to “de-Nazify” the place, to protect its people from humiliation and genocide at the hands of their own popularly elected leaders, and to bring those leaders to trial. Putin’s world-upside-down framing treated questions of genocide and war crimes, as well as of democracy and accountability, as make-believe, and therefore ridiculous; and it gave off a strong whiff of the propaganda tactic known as “accusation in a mirror,” in which a speaker accuses his prospective victims of plotting to do to him what he is plotting to do them. As Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, recently tweeted, “Russia has a track record of accusing the West of the very violations that Russia itself is perpetrating.” Zelensky put it more succinctly: “If you want to know what Russia is planning, look at what Russia is accusing others of planning.”

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Is It Time to Call Putin's War in Ukraine Genocide? (Original Post) Nevilledog Mar 2022 OP
Call it what it is: genocide! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #1
Russia has been killing Ukrainians for decades. yagotme Mar 2022 #2
Absolutely! Initech Mar 2022 #3
that's literally the purpose of this war. Putin wants uninhabitable land as a buffer from NATO. AlexSFCA Mar 2022 #4
Genocide or terror? Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #5
Hmmmm Celerity Mar 2022 #6
I don't understand your post. MerryBlooms Mar 2022 #11
He wants to kill them all, take their land and out Russians there. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #7
I agree but what can be done long as Putin rules Russia. nt doc03 Mar 2022 #8
Fook putin dweller Mar 2022 #9
I believe that pushing hundreds of thousands of refugees across your border is an act of war Walleye Mar 2022 #10
Putin declared he's eliminating Nazis, MerryBlooms Mar 2022 #12
Russia is committing genocide on Ukrainians. PufPuf23 Mar 2022 #13

Walleye

(31,017 posts)
10. I believe that pushing hundreds of thousands of refugees across your border is an act of war
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:56 PM
Mar 2022

We don’t need to wait for Poland to be attacked. It has already been attacked by decimating the country next to it

MerryBlooms

(11,769 posts)
12. Putin declared he's eliminating Nazis,
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 10:04 PM
Mar 2022

Immediately dehumanizing Ukrainians opened the door to genocide. Russian soldiers claiming they're shooting Nazis, while gunning down families and journalists.

PufPuf23

(8,774 posts)
13. Russia is committing genocide on Ukrainians.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 10:13 PM
Mar 2022

My perception is that Russia intends to encircle and bomb population centers to rubble with the expectation that most Ukrainians become refugees, be killed, or be so intimidated to be compliant.

My perception is that Russia will install Russian favorable leadership (we are already seeing this with kidnapping mayor and new mayor appointed) and hold "elections" without many actual Ukrainians.

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