NICE !!! Ukraine FINALLY is getting Counterbattery weapons.

[uponit7771]

Last edited Mon Mar 14, 2022, 01:45 PM - Edit history (8)

EDIT: Updated article (it was old) to newest article where US is sending counterbattery instead of MIGs

As others have said UKRs BIGGEST problem is Russia's shelling cities from artillery not RA air power cause Russian air power sucks too. Russian artillery has been very effective in shelling Ukrainian cities so Counterbattery weapons and radar is what's needed to neutralize the aritillery.

https://archive.ph/1BBbL

The Ukrainians could benefit, too, from counter-battery radar systems, which scan for the originating locations of incoming artillery fire, and its equipment they’ve asked for before, Waltz said..

“At a minimum, once the Russians know you have that, they won’t be able to just sit there and lob round after round after round,” Waltz said. “It degrades their ability to just sit there and pummel you. They have to move, obviously, because now you have the ability to counter-battery.”

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/03/putin-has-a-problem-ukraine-is-getting-an-arsenal-of-weapons-from-the-west/

This looks like they already have some counterbattery in Ukraine

Five ANT/TPQ-36 Firefinder counter-battery and two Thales Squire ground surveillance radars from the Netherlands

Mig 29s weren't meant for ground attack and the Russian aircraft that IS made for close in air attacks are getting shot down and shot up going after UA ground forces.

MORE of these counterbattery weapons will help Ukraine bleed Russians war machine.

[ColinC]

1. YEAHHHH

[ColinC]

2. Still see this whole weak/ lack of Russian air power thing as incredibly counterintuitive.

My presumption had always been they had the second largest air force in the world. Is it just not something that comes in handy for Ukraine for them? Or are they getting shot down constantly?

[uponit7771]

5. More of the second than the first and Putrid not throwing in their 5 gen airplanes cause ...

... they only got 12 of them !!

This isn't WWII or even Iraq I or II ... planes and helicopters can't loiter in an area like they have in the past and expect to survive any longer. Single soldier shoulder fired missiles were effective in the 80s and 40 years later are even more accurate and lighter and easier to use.

The US and NATO flooded UKR with these Anti Aircraft and Anti Tank Guided Weapons (AAGM/ATGM) making it hard to protect columns and soldiers and other ground equipment.

The one thing Russia has be A- at is MOBILE artillery; the can shoot and move before a Ukrainian counter attack is able to get to them and destroy their artillery.

Not any longer, please push on DU and other sites for more counterbattery weapons.

This is no doubt a game changer IMHO in that area

[ColinC]

6. Yeah looks like the US gave/ or is give them 20 so far.

I hope they can expect more as the new aid package kicks in.

[gab13by13]

36. Thank you for this post,

maybe we can move on from the hand wringing over the MiGs.

[uponit7771]

38. +1, the problem also is UKR is used to Warsaw mindset of fighting and they never got out of

... WWII type of tactics IE Russia shelling everything and brute force warfare.

I think Zel is now seeing the power of the unmounted troops with force multipliers like Javelins, NLAWs and Stingers.

I think all generals are, Ukraine ... IS ... ww3 in tactics

The Javelin is deadly up to a mile away and can shoot tanks AND helicopters that are loitering.

can you imagine Taiwan with 1 Javelin to every 10 citizen?

That's .... NOT ... a place you attack.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

54. I also read that Russian pilots and SAM units are woefully undertrained for for coordinated attacks.

Due to budget constraints, Russian pilots barely train enough to be proficient basic pilots.

With lack of practiced coordinated attacks and communications, the SAMs are just as likely to shoot down one of their own. In other words, they can’t be running attack missions while trying to pick out enemy planes with their long range SAMs.

[uponit7771]

57. +1, Here's a vid of a Russian SU-25 ground attack plane shot all to hell

Link to tweet

[lagomorph777]

7. I saw a video about it the other day.

They haven't put much priority on building Air Force capability to knock out air defenses. They don't do much training for it, and haven't properly equipped for it. It's too late to fix it now, so their planes are very vulnerable to Ukraine's defenses. If they fly high, Ukraine has decent long-range SAM facilities. If they fly low, any angry Ukrainian with a MANPAD on his shoulder can nail them.

[ColinC]

12. Dammmmnnn

Yeah one thing seems to be certain, is the US seems to have done a really good job at preparing Ukraine's anti-air defenses before this happened. The anti-artillery defenses could have been a bit better, I guess?

[lagomorph777]

13. Yes, artillery and ballistic missiles are the biggest problems now.

Artillery is cheap, Putin of course will use it as long as possible. If we help Ukraine defend against it, Putin's forced to use expensive missiles. And if we can supply a ton of Patriots anti-missile systems, we can make that pretty damned costly.

[ColinC]

21. Do we have other SAMs we can give them?

Apparently the patriot system might not be practical due to the amount of training that would be required on them to operate.

[lagomorph777]

22. I don't know. Is THAAD still a thing?

[ColinC]

24. Yeah but that probably qualifies as "escalation" if we shoot down a Russian missile..

[lagomorph777]

25. Not if the Ukrainians shoot down a Russian missile.

[KS Toronado]

50. Patriots anti-missile systems do require a lot of training

I'm hoping with some of our veterans volunteering for the UKR military, those with
Patriot experience step up. Could be a game changer.

[ColinC]

51. Sounds like it could be difficult.

They would need 90 people to operate it, according to at least one article I saw.

[KS Toronado]

55. I read that also but took it with a grain of salt

Unless they were talking about a 90 man force to monitor a central command center where they
search the skies for possible incoming missiles. I honestly have no knowledge of how they work.

[jmowreader]

62. 90 people is a full strength Patriot battery

A Patriot battery has a radar, a control station and eight firing units. Of the 90 people in the battery, 40 of them are reloading crews.

[BobTheSubgenius]

43. Even a country dead set on creating a vast arsenal has limitations.

Even something as seemingly unimpressive (compared to complete next-gen fighting systems) as ATG missiles cost 100s of 1000s of dollars.

A single ground attack by a small squadron - say 6 planes - is going to cost upwards of $4-5 million. when you factor in fuel and aircraft maintenance. Fighting a "war" today is an expensive business. Lose a few aircraft valued anywhere from $5-$100 million and it might start getting prohibitive.

I don't know what Russian infrastructure is like, but I have doubts about it being robust enough to produce all the high-end microchips the military needs. If not, it must buy from other countries, and many are, of course, turning them away. Even when they do find a seller, they need hard currency for the transaction.

[Frustratedlady]

3. I hope that is why Zelensky isn't giving his morning talk.

I was almost afraid to find out what happened.

I hope these were delivered in a timely manner and that they turn this war around.

[SheltieLover]

9. Looks like another attack on nuclear facility!

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent

[Frustratedlady]

18. I also heard this morning that they suspect the Russies used white phosophorous bombs.

I haven't found any info on it yet, but isn't that considered chemical warfare?

NATO, UN, ICC...whatever authority...meet - talk - act.

[flying_wahini]

35. I saw video several days ago confirming that. I will try to find it.

At least that’s what the video said they were.

[Dial H For Hero]

41. The use of white phosphorous is in something of a grey area.

If used to create smoke, it's not considered to be chemical warfare.

[SheltieLover]

45. Gawd

Dunno. The whole thing is a war crime in my eyes!

[lagomorph777]

4. Very good news.

I believe these were instrumental in the Balkans war.

[PortTack]

8. Saw a piece about this...they're called MANPADS..very effective

[uponit7771]

16. The MPADs are the shoulder fired weapons and not made to take out artillery fire. They ARE ...

... very effective at killing tanks and slow flying airplanes and helicopters and ONE of the reasons why airspace over UKR during the day has been damn near closed down.

This anti artillery is part of what Israel has as their "iron dome" and helps with the shelling of cities.

Counterbattery will nuetralize what Russians do that is good; bomb everything to death with cannons and rockets

[PortTack]

32. Here's the article from 3/12..we are talking about 2 different things

The United States and NATO are shipping weapons into Ukraine at breakneck speed, including highly sensitive items such as shoulder-fired missiles called man-portable air defence systems (MANPADS) that can take down aircraft.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/12/us-nato-allies-rush-weapons-shipment-to-ukraine

[Disaffected]

19. MANPADS

Sounds like something Trump could use.

[lagomorph777]

26. He's already got MANBOOBS

You'd think that would be enough.

[AZLD4Candidate]

30. And he has Dunlops disease

His stomach dun-lops over his belt. Because of that, he is a stockholder in fumunda cheese.

[wnylib]

31. And they're bigger than his hands.

[AZLD4Candidate]

29. What makes you think he doesn't already?

He seems to wet himself whenever news about investigations against him comes to light. You can tell he wets himself. . .his attacks are getting weaker and weaker.

[uponit7771]

34. lol

[Chuuku Davis]

56. No

MANPADs are Man-portable air-defense systems to attack aerial targets (planes and cruise missiles mainly).
Nothing to do with artillery.

Counterbattery fire finds an artillery shell via radar and calculates its source location and sends artillery or rockets to that location.

[empedocles]

10. Good!

[SheltieLover]

11. Excellent! 👏👏👏👏

Sounds like what our military experts have been saying Ukraine needs!

I hope they are in place & fully functional!

[dalton99a]

14. About time.

[Midnight Writer]

15. Speaking of batteries, don't USA police have a device that causes car engines to stall?

That may be some non-lethal tech that would prove useful to Ukraine.

[uponit7771]

17. EMPs but their indescrimate and take out Ukrainian weapons too

[machoneman]

52. It's radar. Highly sophisticated. Can actually 'see' the shells coming in, a computer gives....

the origins of the the cannons/missiles, supplies accurate coordinates to the good guys artillery and they shoot back!

[MineralMan]

23. Not that I know of. If they did, they could stop all those high speed

chases.

[lagomorph777]

27. Not the police. Such devices exist, but they attack vulnerable electronics.

I would expect most Russian military vehicles rely on plain old brute-force diesel engines (sans any electronics).

[Midnight Writer]

33. RF Safe-Stop can target and disable a vehicle from 50 meters, including cars and boats.

Developed to stop car bombers.

[onecaliberal]

28. Very good news.

[gab13by13]

37. I guarantee this won't be reported on Fox,

they will still be talking about the MiGs.

Would like to see more drones with Hellfire missiles too.

President Biden "got this."

[uponit7771]

39. +1, BINGO !! Someone mentioned on twitter the Mig thing sound coordinated partisan talk now

... because Biden is whooping ass.

Biden is the right guy for this time, he might not have corralled US congress but he .... NO DOUBT ... got NATO's ass moving

[ffr]

40. When the start blowing up the Russian artillery it's bound to boost UA moral.

Almost like they're taking the fight back upon the enemy.

Republicans must be losing their minds that NATO allies are helping Zelensky's democracy out. I can only imagine what goes on in those dark smoke filled room meetings between Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy, Fox Noise, the Russian media and their agents.

Boy, oh boy! Being a democrat never felt so patriotic and empowering as it does at the moment!!

[gab13by13]

44. I kind of feel sorry for them,

I hope they changed their rubles over to dollars.

[sciencescience]

42. That article is from April 21 2021

[uponit7771]

46. THX !!! Updated to recent article ... edited to "sending" vs "have got"

[SunSeeker]

47. Putin will be calling China again for more help!

[samsingh]

48. More of these weapons to Ukraine ASAP

[uponit7771]

49. +1, someone mentioned counterbattery made all the difference in some Balkan war because ...

... basically all Russians now how to do is blow crap up with artillery seeing 80% of the air force sucks and is stuck in the 90s.

Zel asked for Iron Dome but was denied hopefully this makes up for Iron Dome

[Cha]

58. KR TY!

💙💛

[Emrys]

59. Good. It's been sickening watching the MRLs carpet bombing the cites from a hitherto safe distance.

This seems like a more direct way to address the problem than providing more planes (though they wouldn't go amiss, too), and without the risk of loss of scarce hardware and highly skilled pilots.

[brewens]

60. I posted something about that the other day. I know we have some big mobile artillery

with that capability but didn't think we'd send a bunch of those over. They are like tanks. I was hoping someone had something more practical.

Boy, if they start smoking those artillery units, they will be in for a world of hurt. Just knowing about those will help some if the Russians have any sense. They'll want to start taking evasive action right away. That'll slow them down a little at least.

[uponit7771]

64. I think the equipment from Sweden might be close to single soldier mobile counterbattery ...

... radar that regular artillery can fire back on.

[brewens]

65. I hope Russian units that should be able to fire and move quickly are poorly trained or have

equipment and fuel problems that prevent them from doing so. I bet there's a good chance of that. They get orders for a fire mission and have no clue they will be hit back this time, and they can't move anyway.

[krispos42]

61. This is very good.

It means the Russians will have to break down and change locations every few salvos, or else use their own counter-battery system... Which means they're not shelling their primary target.

[uponit7771]

66. +1, they need more of it though ... a lot more of it and AA. I don't think Putrid is going to last

... past April though militarily or economically.

Even if half of what US is saying is true in regards to help from China I give it another 6 weeks for him if China doesn't step in.

China is going to have to step in

[COL Mustard]

63. Why is this being publicized?

Let the Russians find out the hard way that the Ukrainians have counterbattery radars and good OPSEC!!!

Loose lips and all that.