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Peoples Convoy Bid for a Permit to Camp on the National Mall Fails Miserably
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While the prospect of tear[ing] the fence down at the White House and hang[ing] politicians was enticing, one organizer said, he added that isnt why we are here.
Zachary Petrizzo
Media Reporter
Updated Mar. 16, 2022 2:46AM ET / Published Mar. 15, 2022 10:41PM ET
The disorganized group of disgruntled truckers posted up in Hagerstown, Maryland, as part of the so-called Peoples Convoy just ran into another roadblock as the National Park Service partially denied their application for a permit to turn the National Mall in the heart of Washington, D.C. into a trucker encampment.
In a letter obtained by The Daily Beast on Tuesday night, the agency wrote to lead organizer Brian Brase, whose application made a series of outlandish demands and claims, that they had partially denie[d] the request, citing a series of other requests to use the Mall.
Brase wrote that 10,000 to 100,000 supporters would show up for the National Mall encampment. However, when The Daily Beast reported from their Hagerstown encampment at a local speedway two weeks ago, at its peak, no more than 2,000 convoy-goers were present. Since then, the convoy has thinned to about 500 participants sticking it out in the small town nearly two hours north of D.C. proper.
In response to the Park Services questionDo you have any reason to believe or any information indicating that any individual, group, or organization might seek to disrupt the activity for which this application is submitted?Brase wrote Antifa.
The Peoples Convoy, which has infuriated D.C. residents and commuters alike by adding to the already terrible traffic of I-395, sought an absurd amount of space and time for their pop-up trucker camp, requesting all National Mall land between 3rd and 12th streets, Madison and Jefferson Drives for a demonstration intended to last from March 14 through March 26.
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Buns_of_Fire
(17,173 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)They'd probably drive all over the grass and spin doughnuts.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)the same people who smeared shit on the walls of the Capitol Building would trash the National Mall? surely you jest
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)And I expect that most of DC has as well.
They can all just fuck right off.
Harker
(14,007 posts)Where's the "My Convoy" guy?
Jerry2144
(2,093 posts)Duh! Antifa is short for antifascist. Of course they would oppose those truckers
And its funny how the miss this or dont understand what the anti fascism movement is all about
keithbvadu2
(36,724 posts)Camp out at Trump's golf clubhouse property.
SergeStorms
(19,192 posts)They seem to be a bunch of malcontents who are dissatisfied with everything in general, but nothing specifically.
Apparently none of them have jobs, young children in school, or any other positive daily routine. Are they "professional" agitators? Yet they complain about "Antifa", which is more an idea than a organized group of people.
Until these jackasses can show they're an organized group of people with a specific intent in mind, treat them like the bunch of disorganized vagabonds they seem to be.
I'm sure they have plenty of funding from wealthy, right-wing American oligarchs to keep their rag-tag group of misanthropes in gasoline and baloney sandwiches for quite some time though.
Marthe48
(16,927 posts)but I can't find what the Park Service denied, and what part the idiots are going to be allowed to do.
These scumbags have gone from having some vague complaint about mask mandates that are lifted, back to murdering elected officials. In that picture, they are people I would cross the street to avoid. So sick of goons dictating their bottom of the barrel world view.
It seems like they do not want to clean up, shave, shower, dress presentably, and engage in standard social conduct. No, they want to vicimize people, have what they want without earning it. Just handed to them on a plate.
AllyCat
(16,174 posts)and chucking us at the ceiling, we protested. A lot.
People would drive by us and yell get a job! and get to work! We were there on our days off. I work late nights and weekends. When I wasnt protesting or trying to meet with my reps, I was taking care of my family or AT WORK.
These people. They are not working. At all. They are far from home, have been doing this for weeks, and deserve a get back to work! cheer. We have a chronic worker shortage and need people who are truckers to help keep our country going.
These people are not truckers and lazy folk who dont want to work.
thenelm1
(852 posts)Case in point, their brethren from Jan. 6th thought nothing about slathering poo about the walls and wherever in Capital building.
cbabe
(3,538 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)For a different take. I'm hoping the nation will calm down just enough for the dangerous populist movements to lose critical steam, and members. But not choosing to believe it. Most of these people know they're the good guys. No doubts at all.
I spent four hours walking around the convoys Maryland encampment. Make no mistake: The "Peoples Convoy" has been a great success for the far-right.
Its hard to take the "Peoples Convoy" trucker caravan seriously. Starting as a protest against Covid mask and vaccine restrictions, it launched after most mandates had been lifted. Many of the convoys big rigs, pickups and SUVs are covered with QAnon conspiracy references. Convoy organizers promised to shut down Washington D.C. Instead, they parked their trucks at a stock-car racetrack in western Maryland and then did a few gaffe-filled laps around the D.C. Beltway. The convoy has been lampooned in late-night talk show monologues and newspaper op-eds, and parodied in countless memes. The consensus is that it has been a complete failure.
Thats the wrong conclusion. I spent four hours walking around the convoys Hagerstown, Maryland, encampment last Saturday. Make no mistake: the "Peoples Convoy" has been a great success as a movement-building event for the far-right. And it should be taken seriously, despite its absurdities.
The far-right was well represented at the convoy. Members of white supremacist and anti-government groups that were at the center of the Capitol insurrection have been heavily involved in its planning. Erik Rohde, a national leader of Three Percenters, was a consultant to the "Peoples Convoy." Three Percenter and Proud Boy Telegram channels have organized support and raised money for the "Peoples Convoy." In Wisconsin, convoy organizers called on the Oath Keepers to provide security. The Hagerstown encampment soft-pedaled the hate and the convoys far-right ties, dressing them up in a carnival-like atmosphere. ... When I visited the Hagerstown encampment, numerous people wore Proud Boys sweatshirts or had Three Percenter patches on their jackets. I was told that other members of both groups were there in street clothes. ...
This is how social movements are built. The glue that binds people together is events just like the convoy, where strangers unite through a shared sense of belonging and purpose. They reinforce commitments and forge new bonds as people talk, share contact information, network and recruit. The man I spoke to who claimed to have entered the Capitol became emotional just talking about the convoys arrival in Hagerstown, comparing it to a joyous July Fourth parade. ...
In the end, it doesnt really matter if the convoy gets politicians in Washington, D.C., to do anything at all. The real payoff was getting millions of supporters more comfortable with far-right white supremacist and anti-government ideas, organizations and personalities. By that standard, the "Peoples Convoy" has been a clear and frightening success.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/where-usa-trucker-convoy-now-liberals-should-know-ncna1291697
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Grins
(7,203 posts)The real payoff was getting millions of supporters more comfortable with far-right white supremacist and anti-government ideas, organizations and personalities.
And there it is.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Especially when media outlets refuse to report on who's in those social movements, who's financing them, and what specifically they're advocating for. Because if NBC led with those facts instead of burying them deep in their reports (or ignoring those facts altogether), nobody would support these knuckleheads. For all the verbiage of the opinion piece, the specific aims of the Nitwit's Convoy never quite make it into print.
And that's how the three percenters, the oath keepers, and other hate groups are normalized into being a social movement.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)have made this go away, or not happen in the first place, by telling viewers what they need to know.
It's been tried a few times. Facts often strengthen resistance to truth.
Personally, I believe that, if Bill Gates' chip caused people to insist on seeking out and understanding truth, all these problems really would mostly go away. Maybe it would work to have allowing lies in cause headaches as an early warning symptom. I know that'd encourage me to verify whatever sounded good more conscientiously.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)She was going on about "digital" turning people into human robots. Is there a very large mental health problem in Americas? Dear God Yes. Is it funny? Hell no. Untreated, it's pretty damn dangerous.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)A lot of these people want to be as good as they think they are, though.
ananda
(28,856 posts)!!!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And of course, the freedom of speech and of assembly people.
I'm pretty sure some will have earned a traffic ticket or two. Speeding doesn't seem to be one of their tactics on the Beltway, but if so they'll receive them in the mail.
Grins
(7,203 posts)
and all the other fees the Park Service demands upfront to cover security, cleanup, etc.?
That can run in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)happily to this extremely meaningful and worthy (they believe) effort. From what I've read, funding is probably not a problem.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Theyve had their chance and times up. Send them on their way.