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babylonsister

(171,049 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 06:41 AM Mar 2022

People's Convoy Bid for a Permit to Camp on the National Mall Fails Miserably

People’s Convoy Bid for a Permit to Camp on the National Mall Fails Miserably
‘ANTIFA’
While the prospect of “tear[ing] the fence down at the White House and hang[ing] politicians” was “enticing,” one organizer said, he added that isn’t “why we are here.”
Zachary Petrizzo
Media Reporter
Updated Mar. 16, 2022 2:46AM ET / Published Mar. 15, 2022 10:41PM ET


The disorganized group of disgruntled truckers posted up in Hagerstown, Maryland, as part of the so-called “People’s Convoy” just ran into another roadblock as the National Park Service partially denied their application for a permit to turn the National Mall in the heart of Washington, D.C. into a trucker encampment.

In a letter obtained by The Daily Beast on Tuesday night, the agency wrote to lead organizer Brian Brase, whose application made a series of outlandish demands and claims, that they had “partially denie[d]” the request, citing a series of other requests to use the Mall.

Brase wrote that “10,000 to 100,000” supporters would show up for the National Mall encampment. However, when The Daily Beast reported from their Hagerstown encampment at a local speedway two weeks ago, at its peak, no more than 2,000 convoy-goers were present. Since then, the convoy has thinned to about 500 participants sticking it out in the small town nearly two hours north of D.C. proper.

In response to the Park Service’s question—“Do you have any reason to believe or any information indicating that any individual, group, or organization might seek to disrupt the activity for which this application is submitted?”—Brase wrote “Antifa.”

The People’s Convoy, which has infuriated D.C. residents and commuters alike by adding to the already terrible traffic of I-395, sought an absurd amount of space and time for their pop-up trucker camp, requesting all National Mall land between “3rd and 12th streets, Madison and Jefferson Drives” for a demonstration intended to last from March 14 through March 26.


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https://www.thedailybeast.com/peoples-convoy-bid-for-a-permit-to-camp-on-the-national-mall-fails-miserably?ref=home

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People's Convoy Bid for a Permit to Camp on the National Mall Fails Miserably (Original Post) babylonsister Mar 2022 OP
Sounds like they want permission to set up their own Hooverville. nt Buns_of_Fire Mar 2022 #1
This scum would trash the Mall. alphafemale Mar 2022 #2
you really think so? barbtries Mar 2022 #4
I have pretty much had enough of their shit. smirkymonkey Mar 2022 #3
They'd need 10,000-100,000 pillows. Harker Mar 2022 #5
They said Antifa would oppose them Jerry2144 Mar 2022 #6
"nearly two hours" away keithbvadu2 Mar 2022 #7
Does anyone know what they're protesting? SergeStorms Mar 2022 #8
Says partial denial Marthe48 Mar 2022 #9
You know, when Walker was wadding up Wisconsin into ball AllyCat Mar 2022 #10
And likely aren't pottie trained. thenelm1 Mar 2022 #22
Best meme seen previously on du: emotional comfort vehicles. cbabe Mar 2022 #11
NBC: "Make No Mistake: The "People's Convoy" has been a great success for the far-right." Hortensis Mar 2022 #12
"The real payoff..." Grins Mar 2022 #13
"This is how social movements are built" gratuitous Mar 2022 #16
:) I share your frustration but don't believe the media could Hortensis Mar 2022 #20
I'm sorry, I watched a morning news (CBS) program where one of the women was being interviewed. 2Gingersnaps Mar 2022 #21
Agree. Mass societal pathology, in any case. Hortensis Mar 2022 #23
Take away their access to money! NOW! ananda Mar 2022 #14
Well, remember, we're the rule of law people. Hortensis Mar 2022 #17
Who is paying for the permitting.... Grins Mar 2022 #15
Good question. But Patriotic Americans across the nation are donating Hortensis Mar 2022 #19
Enough already BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #18
Maybe Alexandria will let them camp at its activated sludge facility? struggle4progress Mar 2022 #24

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
4. you really think so?
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 08:25 AM
Mar 2022

the same people who smeared shit on the walls of the Capitol Building would trash the National Mall? surely you jest

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
3. I have pretty much had enough of their shit.
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 07:52 AM
Mar 2022

And I expect that most of DC has as well.

They can all just fuck right off.

Jerry2144

(2,093 posts)
6. They said Antifa would oppose them
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 09:37 AM
Mar 2022

Duh! Antifa is short for antifascist. Of course they would oppose those truckers

And it’s funny how the miss this or don’t understand what the anti fascism movement is all about

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
8. Does anyone know what they're protesting?
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 09:54 AM
Mar 2022

They seem to be a bunch of malcontents who are dissatisfied with everything in general, but nothing specifically.

Apparently none of them have jobs, young children in school, or any other positive daily routine. Are they "professional" agitators? Yet they complain about "Antifa", which is more an idea than a organized group of people.

Until these jackasses can show they're an organized group of people with a specific intent in mind, treat them like the bunch of disorganized vagabonds they seem to be.

I'm sure they have plenty of funding from wealthy, right-wing American oligarchs to keep their rag-tag group of misanthropes in gasoline and baloney sandwiches for quite some time though.

Marthe48

(16,927 posts)
9. Says partial denial
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 10:12 AM
Mar 2022

but I can't find what the Park Service denied, and what part the idiots are going to be allowed to do.

These scumbags have gone from having some vague complaint about mask mandates that are lifted, back to murdering elected officials. In that picture, they are people I would cross the street to avoid. So sick of goons dictating their bottom of the barrel world view.

It seems like they do not want to clean up, shave, shower, dress presentably, and engage in standard social conduct. No, they want to vicimize people, have what they want without earning it. Just handed to them on a plate.

AllyCat

(16,174 posts)
10. You know, when Walker was wadding up Wisconsin into ball
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 10:44 AM
Mar 2022

and chucking us at the ceiling, we protested. A lot.

People would drive by us and yell “get a job!” and “get to work!” We were there on our days off. I work late nights and weekends. When I wasn’t protesting or trying to meet with my reps, I was taking care of my family or AT WORK.

These people. They are not working. At all. They are far from home, have been doing this for weeks, and deserve a “get back to work!” cheer. We have a chronic worker shortage and need people who are truckers to help keep our country going.

These people are not truckers and lazy folk who don’t want to work.

thenelm1

(852 posts)
22. And likely aren't pottie trained.
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 08:48 PM
Mar 2022

Case in point, their brethren from Jan. 6th thought nothing about slathering poo about the walls and wherever in Capital building.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. NBC: "Make No Mistake: The "People's Convoy" has been a great success for the far-right."
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 12:48 PM
Mar 2022

For a different take. I'm hoping the nation will calm down just enough for the dangerous populist movements to lose critical steam, and members. But not choosing to believe it. Most of these people know they're the good guys. No doubts at all.

America's trucker convoy is a liberal punchline. But it shouldn't be.
I spent four hours walking around the convoy’s Maryland encampment. Make no mistake: The "People’s Convoy" has been a great success for the far-right.


It’s hard to take the "People’s Convoy" trucker caravan seriously. Starting as a protest against Covid mask and vaccine restrictions, it launched after most mandates had been lifted. Many of the convoy’s big rigs, pickups and SUVs are covered with QAnon conspiracy references. Convoy organizers promised to shut down Washington D.C. Instead, they parked their trucks at a stock-car racetrack in western Maryland and then did a few gaffe-filled laps around the D.C. Beltway. The convoy has been lampooned in late-night talk show monologues and newspaper op-eds, and parodied in countless memes. The consensus is that it has been a complete failure.

That’s the wrong conclusion. I spent four hours walking around the convoy’s Hagerstown, Maryland, encampment last Saturday. Make no mistake: the "People’s Convoy" has been a great success as a movement-building event for the far-right. And it should be taken seriously, despite its absurdities.

The far-right was well represented at the convoy. Members of white supremacist and anti-government groups that were at the center of the Capitol insurrection have been heavily involved in its planning. Erik Rohde, a national leader of Three Percenters, was a “consultant” to the "People’s Convoy." Three Percenter and Proud Boy Telegram channels have organized support and raised money for the "People’s Convoy." In Wisconsin, convoy organizers called on the Oath Keepers to provide security. The Hagerstown encampment soft-pedaled the hate and the convoy’s far-right ties, dressing them up in a carnival-like atmosphere. ... When I visited the Hagerstown encampment, numerous people wore Proud Boys sweatshirts or had Three Percenter patches on their jackets. I was told that other members of both groups were there in street clothes. ...

This is how social movements are built. The glue that binds people together is events just like the convoy, where strangers unite through a shared sense of belonging and purpose. They reinforce commitments and forge new bonds as people talk, share contact information, network and recruit. The man I spoke to who claimed to have entered the Capitol became emotional just talking about the convoy’s arrival in Hagerstown, comparing it to a joyous July Fourth parade. ...

In the end, it doesn’t really matter if the convoy gets politicians in Washington, D.C., to do anything at all. The real payoff was getting millions of supporters more comfortable with far-right white supremacist and anti-government ideas, organizations and personalities. By that standard, the "People’s Convoy" has been a clear and frightening success.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/where-usa-trucker-convoy-now-liberals-should-know-ncna1291697


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Grins

(7,203 posts)
13. "The real payoff..."
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 04:24 PM
Mar 2022

“The real payoff was getting millions of supporters more comfortable with far-right white supremacist and anti-government ideas, organizations and personalities.

And there it is.


gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. "This is how social movements are built"
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 04:42 PM
Mar 2022

Especially when media outlets refuse to report on who's in those social movements, who's financing them, and what specifically they're advocating for. Because if NBC led with those facts instead of burying them deep in their reports (or ignoring those facts altogether), nobody would support these knuckleheads. For all the verbiage of the opinion piece, the specific aims of the Nitwit's Convoy never quite make it into print.

And that's how the three percenters, the oath keepers, and other hate groups are normalized into being a social movement.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. :) I share your frustration but don't believe the media could
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 05:25 PM
Mar 2022

have made this go away, or not happen in the first place, by telling viewers what they need to know.

It's been tried a few times. Facts often strengthen resistance to truth.

Personally, I believe that, if Bill Gates' chip caused people to insist on seeking out and understanding truth, all these problems really would mostly go away. Maybe it would work to have allowing lies in cause headaches as an early warning symptom. I know that'd encourage me to verify whatever sounded good more conscientiously.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
21. I'm sorry, I watched a morning news (CBS) program where one of the women was being interviewed.
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 07:10 PM
Mar 2022

She was going on about "digital" turning people into human robots. Is there a very large mental health problem in Americas? Dear God Yes. Is it funny? Hell no. Untreated, it's pretty damn dangerous.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Agree. Mass societal pathology, in any case.
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 08:58 PM
Mar 2022

A lot of these people want to be as good as they think they are, though.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Well, remember, we're the rule of law people.
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 05:01 PM
Mar 2022

And of course, the freedom of speech and of assembly people.

I'm pretty sure some will have earned a traffic ticket or two. Speeding doesn't seem to be one of their tactics on the Beltway, but if so they'll receive them in the mail.

Grins

(7,203 posts)
15. Who is paying for the permitting....
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 04:28 PM
Mar 2022

…and all the other fees the Park Service demands upfront to cover security, cleanup, etc.?

That can run in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Good question. But Patriotic Americans across the nation are donating
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 05:11 PM
Mar 2022

happily to this extremely meaningful and worthy (they believe) effort. From what I've read, funding is probably not a problem.

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