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Goonch

(3,607 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 04:58 PM Mar 2022

U.S. sending Switchblade drones to Ukraine in $800 million package





The inclusion of the “tactical” drones, which crash into their targets, represents a new phase of weaponry being sent to Ukraine by the U.S., which so far has shipped mostly anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons. An administration official confirmed McCaul’s account that the U.S. is sending the Switchblade.

The Switchblade is a small, light drone that can loiter in the air for up to 30 minutes before being directed to its target by an operator on the ground, dozens of miles away. The drone is launched from a tube, like a mortar shell. Its real-time GPS guidance allows a service member in the field to fly it until the moment it crashes and explodes into whatever the target might be.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/16/us-sends-switchblade-drones-to-ukraine-00017836
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U.S. sending Switchblade drones to Ukraine in $800 million package (Original Post) Goonch Mar 2022 OP
Gamers should dig the Switchblade drone ops Budi Mar 2022 #1
Drones and smart missiles like the javelin lapfog_1 Mar 2022 #5
True, it is looking like the USMC deactivating it's two remaining tank battalions last year Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #7
small teams armed with switchblades, javelins... melting into the forest lapfog_1 Mar 2022 #10
As early as the eightys it was clear to strategists that tanks were sitting ducks. PurgedVoter Mar 2022 #17
I believe that the Main Battle Tank still has it's place on the battlefield Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #18
This can be argued forever, but unless you have a good way to eliminate drones, tanks are history. PurgedVoter Mar 2022 #22
This 'Starstreak' is the badass the UK just sent to Ukraine. Budi Mar 2022 #8
Whoa -- hadn't heard of that until now. U.S. weaponry is getting really, really, really ... Auggie Mar 2022 #2
Ha! Funny you should say that... herding cats Mar 2022 #15
Badass it is! Auggie Mar 2022 #16
Very cool! I hopes there's lots of them. n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #3
;-{)🖖‍ Goonch Mar 2022 #4
A battery if these would wreck havoc on a Russian convoy Kaleva Mar 2022 #6
No wonder Putin's trading what's left of his country's wealth for China's weapon technology Budi Mar 2022 #13
Nice FakeNoose Mar 2022 #9
That's rad. TheBlackAdder Mar 2022 #11
I am not implying that this is how you get a terminator sky_masterson Mar 2022 #12
I wonder what training time is needed to operate this bad boy. TomSlick Mar 2022 #14
When you see weapons like this being deployed in Ukraine and then see images of Russian..... RussellCattle Mar 2022 #19
Its all great n all for Ukraine LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #20
What about Sgent Mar 2022 #21
According to the Politico article...... KS Toronado Mar 2022 #23
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
1. Gamers should dig the Switchblade drone ops
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 05:03 PM
Mar 2022

AeroVironment Switchblade


The AeroVironment Switchblade is a miniature-sized loitering munition drone developed by AeroVironment. It is designed as a "kamikaze drone", being able to crash into its target with an explosive warhead to destroy it. The Switchblade is small enough to be carried in a backpack and can be launched from a variety of ground, maritime, and air platforms. Two variants exist, the Switchblade 300 and the Switchblade 600.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/117814951

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
5. Drones and smart missiles like the javelin
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 05:21 PM
Mar 2022

may well spell the end of tank and armor vehicles in a land battle.

Anti-missile systems like the Navy Phalanx would be hard to adapt to a much smaller armor tank, not to mention there would be a literal weight issue given the amount of ammo they need.

Plus, one can attack with multiple drones or javelins simultaneously... making the anti-missile defense that much harder.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
7. True, it is looking like the USMC deactivating it's two remaining tank battalions last year
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 05:29 PM
Mar 2022

was a wiser move than it was first considered to be.

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
10. small teams armed with switchblades, javelins... melting into the forest
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 05:39 PM
Mar 2022

with thermal dissipation camo to blend into the environment (Predator was sooo many years ago now)... will just kill tank battalions.

PurgedVoter

(2,216 posts)
17. As early as the eightys it was clear to strategists that tanks were sitting ducks.
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 07:41 PM
Mar 2022

Tanks are worth hitting. They are important to get rid of early on. They are also easy targets that can be destroyed for a fraction of the cost to build, buy, support or move.
For a while air support was able to make up for their extreme vulnerability, but now the only good use for them today is to park them and let kids climb on them. Sell a few to companies that will want them for making movies. Put the rest in parks.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
18. I believe that the Main Battle Tank still has it's place on the battlefield
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 07:48 PM
Mar 2022

However, it must be in a combined arms environment. They and the lesser armored fighting vehicles cannot operate alone.

PurgedVoter

(2,216 posts)
22. This can be argued forever, but unless you have a good way to eliminate drones, tanks are history.
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 10:27 PM
Mar 2022

Hopefully we don't have a lot of events that will prove or disprove our arguments, but for the price of a tank divided by the amount of ammo you expect it to be able to fire before for it is disabled, that ammo could be wrapped in a drone body and delivered with fine precision.

Drones have already changed the face of warfare. The next generation of snipers will have VR goggles and be prepared to take out armor as they wait for someone to come into rifle range.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
8. This 'Starstreak' is the badass the UK just sent to Ukraine.
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 05:34 PM
Mar 2022
Sending UK-made, man portable Starstreak surface to air missiles to Ukrainian forces

@TrentTelenko
UK Starstreak missiles are seriously nasty & small anti-aircraft missile w/three dart warheads.
Being laser beam riding, Russian flares are useless to decoy them.
They are much faster than a Stinger & all the operator has to do is keep the crosshair on the aircraft.





UK Starstreak in action:

Auggie

(31,163 posts)
2. Whoa -- hadn't heard of that until now. U.S. weaponry is getting really, really, really ...
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 05:14 PM
Mar 2022

bad-ass?

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
6. A battery if these would wreck havoc on a Russian convoy
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 05:22 PM
Mar 2022

Could also be used to attack RU artillery and rocket positions.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
13. No wonder Putin's trading what's left of his country's wealth for China's weapon technology
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 05:51 PM
Mar 2022

"China of you're listening!" H.e.l.p. 😫

The RU Oligarchs pilfered off the military budget to buy yachts rather than investing in fast expanding weapons technology..

Meanwhile, putin's pulling unwilling citizens off the street to fight a troop war against star wars.



TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
14. I wonder what training time is needed to operate this bad boy.
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 07:17 PM
Mar 2022

Are Ukrainians going to need to go to Poland for training? If so, for how long?

RussellCattle

(1,535 posts)
19. When you see weapons like this being deployed in Ukraine and then see images of Russian.....
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 07:55 PM
Mar 2022

.....troops carrying World War One vintage bolt action rifles, you've got to believe that this whole exercise is ultimately going to show the much vaunted Russian army to be something of a toothless bear. This adding another whole level to Putin's miscalculation of his prospects for a quick victory.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
20. Its all great n all for Ukraine
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 08:01 PM
Mar 2022

But does anyone else have trepidation about this new generation of pilotless war drones?

Once this conflict winds down. The world will still have them. Less costly for poorer despot nations to afford than fighter jets. Less costly for lives lost...which helps politically. Not only about how easily these can be used against enemy soldiers but civilians as well. Both in foreign lands and on home soil. If a social rights protest gets too rowdy for instance.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
21. What about
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 08:06 PM
Mar 2022

counter artillery weapons and anti-air(not Javalin's)? UKR is getting the shit pounded out of them by air and artillery, and although that can't win a war by itself it can seriously weaken someone over time. Russia is treating the siege of Kyiv no different than Grant did Vicksburg and using essentially the same weapons. When people run out of rats to eat they will surrender.

KS Toronado

(17,199 posts)
23. According to the Politico article......
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:53 PM
Mar 2022

We're only sending 100 of these, IMO we need to send at least a couple thousand, use them to take
out all their missile batteries way behind the lines. Then go after tanks.

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