Ukraine is getting upgraded S-300 Long-Range Air-Defence SAMs

[speak easy]

Last edited Wed Mar 16, 2022, 07:42 PM - Edit history (2)

EDIT: SORRY EVERYONE. IT APPEARS UKRAINE WILL BE GETTING MORE OF UPGRADED SOVIET ERA S-300S. THE S-300 WAS DEVELOPED TO DEFEND AGAINST AIRCRAFT AND CRUISE MISSILES

EARLIER POST ON PATRIOTS

ThebPatriot (MIM-104) is a long-range, all-altitude, all-weather air defence system to counter tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and advanced aircraft. It is produced by Raytheon in Massachusetts and Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control in Florida.

The PAC-3 MSE is part of a spiral development undertaken by Lockheed Martin.

The increased range MSE gives the missile a more powerful rocket motor for added thrust and larger fins for increased manoeuvrability against faster and more sophisticated ballistic and cruise missiles. The MSE began flight testing in May 2008.

The PAC-3 MSE is the baseline interceptor for the multinational medium extended air defence system (MEADS) under a contract placed in February 2008. The missile was test fired using the Patriot system in May 2011. Lockheed Martin was awarded a $68.9m contract in July 2012 to prepare the PAC-3 production line for the PAC-3 MSE missile.

In December 2012, the PAC-3 MSE destructed a tactical ballistic missile (TBM) target at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico, US.

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/patriot/

[electric_blue68]

1. Good! 🌻🇺🇦🌻

[Sherman A1]

2. Enough anti aircraft systems and the Ukrainians will enforce their own

No Fly Zone.

[wryter2000]

10. That's what I'm hoping n/t

[SheltieLover]

11. Hoping so!

[paleotn]

23. Indeed. They're damn near wall to wall with MANPADs as it is.

but need more mid to high altitude defense.

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

3. That would be awesome.

Do you have a link?

[speak easy]

5. US To Send Long-Range Anti-Aircraft Systems To Ukraine

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/unprecedented-new-us-weapons-aid-to-ukraine-amounts-to-1-billion-joe-biden-2827328

Yes it's the MIM-104. That is the only long-range system the United States has deployed.

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

7. Awesome, TY, much appreciated n/t

[speak easy]

9. The capacity to shoot down cruise missiles as well as aircraft

should be invaluable to Ukraine. MiG's are sitting ducks. The Russians do have a stealth fighter, the Sukhoi Su-57. but they have not deployed it yet.

[SheltieLover]

12. Awesome!!!

Ty!

[ColinC]

16. The news has been about getting Ukraine the S-300s

Russian made SAMs and also long range.So far the US has decline to send Patriot missiles to Ukraine seemingly in part because of needing people trained on the systems.

[speak easy]

19. Ukraine is already using the S-300s.

If, say the U.S. would be buying more from Poland - it would seem to be semantic not getting the MiGs as well.

[ColinC]

20. They only have a few as I understand

Much more would be quite helpful to their situation. Of course the US was against the mig deal. They at least so far seem to be completely on board with this one for some reason. But regardless, they are likely getting some solid SAMs.

[speak easy]

21. You are correct. I have re-read Biden's address

"we have identified and are helping Ukraine acquire additional longer-range anti-aircraft systems and the munitions for those systems"

That fits the s-300.

[ColinC]

22. S-300s or patriots are super good news. Honestly I don't think the S-300s are much worse than Patrio

ts, if at all...

[AntiFascist]

18. This is great, but I keep hearing, and being told by some DUers, that...

Patriot missiles require months of training and, therefore, can't be sent to Ukraine, especially since they require US personnel to operate them. Has this been resolved somehow? classified?

[Lonestarblue]

28. Send the weapons and ask ex-military trained to use them to volunteer in Ukraine.

I’m sure there would be takers. And announce nothing. The less Russia knows, the better.

[AntiFascist]

29. that's what I think too...shhhhh! n/t

[Quixote1818]

33. Don't think they are talking about Patriot system

Snip:

It would likely take months to train the Ukrainian military how to operate the system, according to people familiar with the technology.

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2022/03/why-us-wont-give-patriot-interceptors-ukraine/363042/

[speak easy]

34. No, they are upgraded s-300s. Sorry.

[James48]

35. No, it's not the MIM-104 Patriot.

The USA is going to help Ukraine by helping facilitate S-300 missiles now owned by other countries. Poland has S-300’s as does Moldova, Turkey, and a number of Eastern European NATO countries.

We aren’t giving them Patriot systems- those are both very expensive and complex, and would take a long time to teach Ukrainian crews to operate.

[sheshe2]

4. Good news.

[PortTack]

6. Great news!

[Igel]

8. And they've connected to the EU electrical grid.

Less reliant on their own power plants, any one of which could be seized or bombed into non-production.

[mucifer]

13. Honestly I don't know where they would be without President Zelenskyy's

Negotiation and internet skills.

[brer cat]

14. Great news!

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. I heard Poland wanted them, can you post a link confirming Ukraine is?

Your link appears to just be a description of the system.

[ColinC]

17. I can't find any link.

I think the assumption is that the US will give them the Patriots because they are trying to give them SAMs. But it would probably make more sense in the long run to provide S 300s given the obstacles of needing to train on a foreign system. The news has been about trying to find somebody to supply s-300s and Slovakia seems to be one prime candidate for it.

S-300s are probably about as affective as Patriots.

[speak easy]

26. See OP edit. They are upgraded S-300s. Sorry :(

[ColinC]

30. No worries!

Honestly I'm still celebrating the fact they are getting SAMs. Things seem like they are going to look a lot better soon!

[2naSalit]

24. They should have had those...

A month ago or more.

[paleotn]

25. OOoooooo.....PAC-3's.

If we were to provide them, it will take a bit of time for Ukrainians to become proficient. Much more involved than simple, point-and-shoot MANPADs. That's certainly part of the calculus. In case of a collapse (small risk at this point, but still a risk), we'll have to destroy them or get them out quick which might be dicey.

[speak easy]

27. See OP edit. They are upgraded S-300s. Sorry :(

[paleotn]

31. No worries. I saw that.

My point was, giving them PAC-3s is a bit hazardous given it contains classified components and systems and it would take a while for Ukrainians to figure out how to use it effectively. Hell, I'd like to give them the full arsenal, but that ain't happening.

[ColinC]

36. They'll get em as soon as they're in NATO, I'm sure...

[Quixote1818]

32. Don't think this is true. Have read in several places in the last few days it takes too long to

train Ukrainians how to use them. https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2022/03/why-us-wont-give-patriot-interceptors-ukraine/363042/

[Nasruddin]

37. Start training now