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DBoon

(22,340 posts)
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 12:24 PM Mar 2022

WAPO: Living in red America can be life-threatening

Steven H. Woolf, a professor at Virginia Commonwealth University, writes in the Journal of American Medicine: “Disparities in health across the 50 states are growing, a trend that began in the 1990s. For example, in 1990, life expectancy in New York was lower than in Oklahoma, but the trajectories separated sharply in the 1990s and, by 2016, New York ranked third in life expectancy, whereas Oklahoma ranked 45th.” Moreover, “the widening gap cannot be explained by changes in the racial and ethnic composition of states, because the same trend occurred within racial and ethnic groups.”

Instead, Woolf says the politics of red states is killing their residents. “Conservative governors increasingly use preemption, the authority to override local governments, to block liberal health policies (e.g., indoor smoking bans),” he notes. “States have preempted local regulations on nutrition (e.g., menu labeling, food deserts) and, as of 2013, 45 states had enacted statutes to limit local firearm regulations.”

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Eight of the 10 states with the highest covid death rates adjusted for age have Republican governors: Mississippi, Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas, Tennessee, Arizona, Arkansas and Indiana. (Nevada and Kentucky are the exceptions, coming in 6th and 10th, respectively.) Similarly, nine of the 10 states with the worst vaccination rates — Wyoming, Mississippi, Louisiana, Idaho, Indiana, Tennessee, Alabama, Ohio, West Virginia and North Dakota — have GOP governors. Of these, only Louisiana is led by a Democrat, and all of them voted for defeated former president Donald Trump in both 2016 and 2020.

The same divergence between red and blue states exists with respect to murder rates, as well. The center-left think tank Third Way reports: “In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.” Even more dramatically, “8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election this century.”


OpEd by Jennifer Rubin
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/17/living-in-red-states-can-be-life-threatening/
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WAPO: Living in red America can be life-threatening (Original Post) DBoon Mar 2022 OP
Hopefully this makes an electoral dent. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #1
It might if they continue to die at these rates; however.... Probatim Mar 2022 #13
No, but when the die-hards die-off... lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #19
That's what I meant with the first part of my comment. Probatim Mar 2022 #28
Neil DeGrasse Tyson said the Rs are dying at five times the rate of Ds and that it could be enough OMGWTF Mar 2022 #14
He deleted that tweet. former9thward Mar 2022 #20
trouble is a state gets two senators despite population raising2moredems Mar 2022 #27
No shit, That's obvious, however Trump voters do not know this because they do not think. fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #2
They "think" with their feelings, mostly fear TrogL Mar 2022 #9
Rational thought is block by fear Random Boomer Mar 2022 #16
If it's not in a short tweet or on Fox "News" halfulglas Mar 2022 #22
Yes. And in so many different ways, not just covid. FM123 Mar 2022 #3
Dems have done a horrible job of pointing this out Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #4
Look at the noise after Putrids economy got stuck I don't know. The data shows dems WERE doing ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #18
I keep going back to the fact that something like 80% of the misinformation about Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #30
So Faux News will of course stop demonizing blue states cities robbob Mar 2022 #5
I doubt they'll retire it since facts don't matter with the cult. CrispyQ Mar 2022 #7
Notice how those two charts don't nearly match up? oldsoftie Mar 2022 #26
Right. I showed charts like this on SM for years because it always "Chicago! Chicago! Chicago!" ancianita Mar 2022 #29
I feel bad for Democratics in those states JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #6
Death cult NameAlreadyTaken Mar 2022 #8
Over the long haul this will sift out bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #10
The census does not back that up. former9thward Mar 2022 #21
That actually could be a good thing treestar Mar 2022 #24
Some of those states might become a little bluer next election IronLionZion Mar 2022 #11
The politics are a symptom misanthrope Mar 2022 #12
They're not just killing red voters, they're killing people in blue cities Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #15
Like hell on earth. SheltieLover Mar 2022 #17
To paraphrase a quote from Marge Simpson: Initech Mar 2022 #23
Republicans are not "Pro-Life" Martin Eden Mar 2022 #25
Kick BlueWavePsych Mar 2022 #31
Oooo... I can tell the difference... OldBaldy1701E Mar 2022 #32

Probatim

(2,501 posts)
13. It might if they continue to die at these rates; however....
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:41 PM
Mar 2022

news like this won't sway a die-hard, kool-aid drinker from voting against his best interests.

OMGWTF

(3,942 posts)
14. Neil DeGrasse Tyson said the Rs are dying at five times the rate of Ds and that it could be enough
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:48 PM
Mar 2022

to swing some elections.

raising2moredems

(632 posts)
27. trouble is a state gets two senators despite population
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:06 AM
Mar 2022

In states where the vote count (of those deemed "worthy" enough to vote I should add) is 2/3 ridiots and 1/3 dems, mortality is going to have to be high. And hope the birth rate dramatically drops among the ridiots.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
2. No shit, That's obvious, however Trump voters do not know this because they do not think.
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 12:32 PM
Mar 2022

Trump voters shut down their entire frontal lobe when making decisions. That is a fact.

Random Boomer

(4,167 posts)
16. Rational thought is block by fear
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 03:00 PM
Mar 2022

Heightened fear short-circuits the higher functions of the brain. All it takes to render people stupid and self-destructive is to pump up their adrenaline with GOP Fear Factor.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
22. If it's not in a short tweet or on Fox "News"
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 07:44 PM
Mar 2022

They will never hear it (or in won't sink in). So don't count on it changing any minds. It might help Indies.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
3. Yes. And in so many different ways, not just covid.
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 12:33 PM
Mar 2022

Even if you live in the bluest of blue counties - if it is a red state with a psycho repub governor like Ron DeSatan , life is dangerous. Especially for our LGBTQ kids.


Johnny2X2X

(18,973 posts)
4. Dems have done a horrible job of pointing this out
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 12:34 PM
Mar 2022

Dems are too polite, they don't want to mention what "shitholes" so many red states are because they don't want to offend voters there. In the meantime, the Right is all in on California being a shithole that it isn't.

uponit7771

(90,302 posts)
18. Look at the noise after Putrids economy got stuck I don't know. The data shows dems WERE doing ...
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 04:22 PM
Mar 2022

... a typical message flood just getting out flooded by volume of winger bots.

Its not even close, SM is the cess pool this crap starts and they spread quick fast

It's MOSTLY anecdotal right now but NO DOUBT congress needs to step in FB, Tw, TicTok etc if the data pans out.

Scrivener7

(50,916 posts)
30. I keep going back to the fact that something like 80% of the misinformation about
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 07:29 AM
Mar 2022

Covid that circulated among US twitter accounts came from 78 accounts. I can't link it, but I know I read it here and it sticks with me.

One old fashioned boiler-room style setup of tweeters to counteract what you are describing for Twitter, and no doubt a similar situation exists in the other outlets.

Surely we could do it.

robbob

(3,522 posts)
5. So Faux News will of course stop demonizing blue states cities
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 12:41 PM
Mar 2022

As “murder capitals” of the USA? Or will they just quietly retire that talking point?

oldsoftie

(12,492 posts)
26. Notice how those two charts don't nearly match up?
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 10:29 AM
Mar 2022

That because the lower chart likely is showing mostly small numbers.
Per capita/100k is the REAL comparator.

Now look up the chart that shows who is killing who in those states.

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
29. Right. I showed charts like this on SM for years because it always "Chicago! Chicago! Chicago!"
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 07:27 PM
Mar 2022

Now the bots and trolls are silent.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
6. I feel bad for Democratics in those states
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 12:51 PM
Mar 2022

The rest of them?

Self Inflicted wound - why should I care?

Why are they more important to the media?

bucolic_frolic

(43,058 posts)
10. Over the long haul this will sift out
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:36 PM
Mar 2022

as smart states and dumb states. Capital flight and culture and intelligence will be on the move. If they can afford it.

former9thward

(31,941 posts)
21. The census does not back that up.
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 05:07 PM
Mar 2022

Both population and capital are moving from the NE and upper Midwest to the W and South. Those are the states that gained the most percent of population.



treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. That actually could be a good thing
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 07:50 PM
Mar 2022

If those states have more people, they might turn purple or blue, or at least, they will not have as disproportionate effect in the Senate.

misanthrope

(7,408 posts)
12. The politics are a symptom
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:40 PM
Mar 2022

The heart of the variability in our "different Americas" is cultural. The politics, healthcare, et cetera are all an outgrowth of the culture.

Crunchy Frog

(26,578 posts)
15. They're not just killing red voters, they're killing people in blue cities
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:53 PM
Mar 2022

by preventing local self rule and enactment of life saving local policies.

Initech

(100,040 posts)
23. To paraphrase a quote from Marge Simpson:
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 07:46 PM
Mar 2022

"You know the GOP morphed into a hardcore death cult so gradually that nobody really noticed."

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
25. Republicans are not "Pro-Life"
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 06:54 AM
Mar 2022

They are more of a death cult.

Pro guns
Anti health care
Pro pollution
Anti environment
Pro reckless endangerment
Anti vaccine & mask
Pro fetus
Anti caring for children outside the womb

OldBaldy1701E

(5,088 posts)
32. Oooo... I can tell the difference...
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 06:14 PM
Mar 2022

The column on the right does not glow in the dark. Other than that... there is no difference. And the irony is that each column is convinced that the other one is 'the enemy'. If it were not so deadly to the rest of the world, it would be hysterical to watch...

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