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muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 12:43 PM Mar 2022

Manchin proudly admits he's bought and paid for, exhorts energy execs to buy the whole set

Manchin, the Senate’s top recipient of coal, oil, and gas donations, didn’t mention climate-related financial regulations during his remarks on Friday. His industry donors have been plenty outspoken about it, though. And his address to them indicated a willingness to do what they want. At S&P Global’s CERAWeek—one of the continent’s largest energy conferences—Manchin seemed to present himself as a representative for the industry in Washington, offering the room pointers on how to deal with politicians.
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He exhorted CERAWeek attendees to provide leadership in Washington and look for a “return on investment” from politicians who solicit campaign donations from them, or “mother’s milk,” as he called it. “There’s not one of us,” he said, now apparently referring to his fellow politicians, “that doesn’t come to you, ‘Will you help me, can you help me get the finances I need right now?’ … You all have been very successful. You make great decisions, and you’ve done very well in life for yourself and your family and those around you. Use the same type of approach, when you have politicians that come and ask for support, that you do when you make a financial decision for yourself and your family: You want a return on investment.”

Manchin added that fossil fuel executives should “demand more. If you do that, you all can turn this around. You’ll get some people in Congress that basically are there for the right reasons. There’s a difference between public service and self-service, and there’s not one of you that don’t have the instincts to pick that up immediately. Just use it when you pick it up, and throw ’em the hell out of the room.” A spokesperson for Manchin’s office did not respond to a request to clarify what he meant when he suggested fossil fuel executives throw members of Congress out of the room. His office declined to comment on whether he had met with industry representatives in Houston about Raskin’s nomination.

Later on in his remarks, Manchin seemed to offer proof that he, for one, has provided his own donors with the aforementioned return on investment. He listed off his efforts to champion the Keystone XL pipeline, rebrand the White House’s moratorium on drilling on public lands as a “pause,” and battle methane rules. Specifically, he recalled a conversation with 45-year-old Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Michael Regan (“just a great young man,” Manchin added) about the agency’s proposed methane rules, which Manchin thought should be scrapped if a methane fee in the Build Back Better Act was moving ahead, too. “I said, ‘Michael, don’t you think you oughta work with us a little bit and find out what might be needed in the market before you just decide in Washington?’ I said, ‘I think they’d be more than happy to tell you where’s some things that could be changed,’” Manchin recalled. “So I called the White House. I says, ‘Now tell me what you want to do. Do you just want the money, or do you want to fix the problem? Tell me what you want.’ Now to do both of them is absolutely asinine.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/165746/joe-manchin-sank-sarah-bloom-raskins-nomination

"There’s a difference between public service and self-service, and there’s not one of you that don’t have the instincts to pick that up immediately" - he's actually saying that being a self-serving energy exec, or a politician on the take, is better than serving the public. He thinks that because they're driven by profit, it is morally right for them to control elected representatives, rather than the electorate.

This is a right-wing conservative, who worships at the altar of profit. And he's proud of it.
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Manchin proudly admits he's bought and paid for, exhorts energy execs to buy the whole set (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2022 OP
I Don't Understand WiVoter Mar 2022 #1
because if he was a Republican agingdem Mar 2022 #3
Oh God, That's Despicable WiVoter Mar 2022 #4
Elect more Democrats to the Senate Mad_Machine76 Mar 2022 #7
elect two more Dems at least.. agingdem Mar 2022 #8
I'd Love To See The Looks On Their Faces WiVoter Mar 2022 #12
Exactly! I wish I could recommend this. 11 Bravo Mar 2022 #13
Wow. Just wow. Our representatives in Congress are supposed Kittycatkat Mar 2022 #2
Sadly, he probably does represent the majority of WV voters nt AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2022 #5
Polls indicated the majority of W Virginians supported BBB dflprincess Mar 2022 #14
Okay... AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2022 #16
Remington Research Group is "...a top 5 GOP polling firm." Lasher Mar 2022 #19
Discount information we disagree with, got it AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2022 #20
It was a RW push poll, Remington has a history of being a pro-Rethug outlier Celerity Mar 2022 #22
And Data for Progress is a Liberal think tank AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2022 #23
WV Dems support BBB, and Manchin is a destructive force in terms of both Biden's agenda and our Celerity Mar 2022 #24
As long as we let them they'll screw us. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #6
How to turn a political donation into a vote purchase. justhanginon Mar 2022 #9
Old King Coal LudwigPastorius Mar 2022 #11
Just saw Energy sector PROFITS up 213% 1st quarter. Midnight Writer Mar 2022 #10
We need more Dem Senators this year...GOTV! nt Wounded Bear Mar 2022 #15
Unfortunately I live in WV WVreaper Mar 2022 #17
He's basically telling his fellow Rs KS Toronado Mar 2022 #18
He's a Biden agenda wrecking ball. Coal & Curtsy obstructionism is truly hurting our midterm chances Celerity Mar 2022 #21
I think a lot of us knew he was not a real dem I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #25

WiVoter

(908 posts)
1. I Don't Understand
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 12:50 PM
Mar 2022

Why he chooses to be a Democrat. We sure need him as a Democrat in the Senate, but he has apparently made a choice, then acted against it. It’s a mystery to me, truly.

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
3. because if he was a Republican
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 01:06 PM
Mar 2022

Last edited Thu Mar 17, 2022, 01:45 PM - Edit history (1)

he would be one of many..no power...he would stand alongside Cruz, Hawley..another self-serving blowhard, nothing special ...as long as he stays a Dem he gets to quash Biden's agenda from within..he can do the Republican's dirty work in the name of bipartisanship...Manchin defines loathsome...

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
8. elect two more Dems at least..
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 01:44 PM
Mar 2022

then Manchin and Sinema become irrelevant...you can bet Sinema's career in politics is over...she's pissed off too many of her constituents..and I'm not so sure Manchin can get reelected, either...he's shown his stripes...

Kittycatkat

(1,356 posts)
2. Wow. Just wow. Our representatives in Congress are supposed
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 12:55 PM
Mar 2022

to represent us. The Repugs have utter disdain for the US, its citizens and democracy. Scary days here.

dflprincess

(28,077 posts)
14. Polls indicated the majority of W Virginians supported BBB
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 03:17 PM
Mar 2022

The United Mine Workers urged him to vote for. Manchin ignored the workers and stuck with the owners.

Celerity

(43,358 posts)
22. It was a RW push poll, Remington has a history of being a pro-Rethug outlier
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 04:54 PM
Mar 2022

look at the question

leading AF

Q: Last month, Senator Joe Manchin from West Virginia said that he would not support moving forward
with President Biden’s Build Back Better Act, citing his concerns about inflation, the national debt and the
recent COVID-19 surges. Do you agree with Senator Manchin’s decision to prioritize other legislative
measures at this time?


using your reasoning

Discount information we disagree with, got it


should we now start elevating Rasmussen to a prime source of Biden's approval rating?

Also, the poll is for ALL WV voters, Rethugs included

of course many Rethugs are going to be anti-BBB

WV Dems (Manchin's base) overwhelmingly support BBB





AZSkiffyGeek

(11,023 posts)
23. And Data for Progress is a Liberal think tank
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 05:39 PM
Mar 2022

So basically, each side is seeing what they want to see. In the mean time WV is electing conservatives like Manchin and supporting Trump by double digits.

But sure, they REALLY support progressive policies. Or at least 70% of 384 people do.

Celerity

(43,358 posts)
24. WV Dems support BBB, and Manchin is a destructive force in terms of both Biden's agenda and our
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 06:27 PM
Mar 2022

Party's midterms chances. He and Sinema's obstructionism has blocked (as of today) all the voter rights/protection bills, PLUS over 90% of Biden's new spend framework agenda between the BIF (only $550 billion in new spend passed versus Biden's original $2.6 trillion framework) and the BBB (zero dollars passed out of Biden's original $3.5 trillion dollar framework). Manchin openly goes against his own voters' (WV Dems) wishes far too often. He is openly in the pocket of Big Energy and corrupted by his own multimillion dollar profits (tens of millions of dollars) he and his family extract for themselves from coal. He brags about it, he brazenly revels in it. It is abhorrent. His being the chair of the U.S. Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources is a massive conflict of interest and allows him to repeatedly self-deal.

from another survey (this one non partisan):

In deep red West Virginia, Biden’s $3.5tn spending proposal is immensely popular

Working-class people – even Trump voters – understand the Build Back Better plan will benefit them

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/west-virginia-joe-biden-spending-plan-popular

Elizabeth Masters isn’t a natural Joe Biden supporter. A self-described conservative who lives in Parkersburg, in deeply Republican West Virginia, she said she registered to vote in the last election so she could cast a ballot for Donald Trump. Masters says she doesn’t approve when people “just stand for a handout” – she doesn’t think the United States should be spending money on undocumented immigrants, for example – but says anything that will “help people that are trying to do for themselves, I’m all for it”. To that end, Masters has found herself supportive of efforts by the Biden administration to pass a $3.5tn budget proposal that is full of ambitious plans to help poorer and working class Americans on a range of social issues from childcare to healthcare.

Though vehemently opposed by Republicans and West Virginia’s own Democratic senator, Joe Manchin, there is some evidence that the proposals contained in the spending plans – which some have likened to the 1930s New Deal – are more popular among grassroots Republicans than their political representatives. That may be especially true in West Virginia, which is a poor, largely white and working class state whose residents would stand to greatly benefit from the Biden effort. That is why Masters says she supports the Child Tax Credit, the monthly payments from the IRS given to families with children making less than $200,000. The Build Back Better plan would make the credits permanent.

Masters and her husband recently took out a loan to repair the roof on their house, only to lose the home in a fire. They did not have insurance, so they are still paying on the loan. The Child Tax Credit payment she receives each month for her nine-year-old son covers that loan every month. Biden’s budget bill includes his Build Back Better plan, which would cut taxes for most Americans, raise taxes on the rich, train more workers and lower costs for healthcare, childcare, education and housing.

When the nonpartisan nonprofit WorkMoney surveyed more than 50,000 of its 2 million members nationwide, it found 81% of respondents said they supported this plan. That includes 90% of liberals who took the survey, 81% of moderates and 66% of conservatives. Conservative backing appears even more robust in West Virginia, home of Manchin, a moderate Democrat who is one of the critical holdouts on the budget bill and whose efforts could derail the entire plan – or see large chunks of it scrapped as he balks at the budget’s price tag. But according to the survey, 80% of more than 800 people surveyed in his home state believe he should vote to pass the bill. That includes 77% of conservatives who responded to the survey.

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justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
9. How to turn a political donation into a vote purchase.
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:21 PM
Mar 2022

Manchin quote, "use the same type of approach, when you have politicians that come and ask for support, that you do when you make a financial decision for yourself and your family: You want a return on investment.”

WVreaper

(620 posts)
17. Unfortunately I live in WV
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 03:25 PM
Mar 2022

and this asshole is one of my two senators, the other being a republican. This used to be a democratic state, but that has fallen by the wayside. Hell, we even elected a democrat for governor in the last gouvenatorial election, only to see him flip to the dark side right after the election. I will vote for almost any democrat that would primary. They will lose that battle, but even if they would win, they would lose in the general election to any republican opponent. As much as I do not want to see it, Manchin will get reelected. His IS still a Democrat for now.

KS Toronado

(17,235 posts)
18. He's basically telling his fellow Rs
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 03:31 PM
Mar 2022

Big Oil has a lot of money right now, go get some for your reelection campaign chest.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,470 posts)
25. I think a lot of us knew he was not a real dem
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 10:04 PM
Mar 2022

Fucking right winger has been an r since he got into politics and the slimy fucker fooled so many dems. Because he revealed who he was and what side he is on we can reject candidates like him from running in the first place. Clever move to be a fake democrat he alone has fucked up so much of the dem agenda. Doing it in ways republicans cant.

Fucker.

We need to vet our candidates better and keep closet r pigs like manchin out of the party. We need to be careful. Republicans for profit have no limits to how low they'll go to get thier way.

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