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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsManchin proudly admits he's bought and paid for, exhorts energy execs to buy the whole set
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He exhorted CERAWeek attendees to provide leadership in Washington and look for a return on investment from politicians who solicit campaign donations from them, or mothers milk, as he called it. Theres not one of us, he said, now apparently referring to his fellow politicians, that doesnt come to you, Will you help me, can you help me get the finances I need right now? You all have been very successful. You make great decisions, and youve done very well in life for yourself and your family and those around you. Use the same type of approach, when you have politicians that come and ask for support, that you do when you make a financial decision for yourself and your family: You want a return on investment.
Manchin added that fossil fuel executives should demand more. If you do that, you all can turn this around. Youll get some people in Congress that basically are there for the right reasons. Theres a difference between public service and self-service, and theres not one of you that dont have the instincts to pick that up immediately. Just use it when you pick it up, and throw em the hell out of the room. A spokesperson for Manchins office did not respond to a request to clarify what he meant when he suggested fossil fuel executives throw members of Congress out of the room. His office declined to comment on whether he had met with industry representatives in Houston about Raskins nomination.
Later on in his remarks, Manchin seemed to offer proof that he, for one, has provided his own donors with the aforementioned return on investment. He listed off his efforts to champion the Keystone XL pipeline, rebrand the White Houses moratorium on drilling on public lands as a pause, and battle methane rules. Specifically, he recalled a conversation with 45-year-old Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Michael Regan (just a great young man, Manchin added) about the agencys proposed methane rules, which Manchin thought should be scrapped if a methane fee in the Build Back Better Act was moving ahead, too. I said, Michael, dont you think you oughta work with us a little bit and find out what might be needed in the market before you just decide in Washington? I said, I think theyd be more than happy to tell you wheres some things that could be changed, Manchin recalled. So I called the White House. I says, Now tell me what you want to do. Do you just want the money, or do you want to fix the problem? Tell me what you want. Now to do both of them is absolutely asinine.
https://newrepublic.com/article/165746/joe-manchin-sank-sarah-bloom-raskins-nomination
"Theres a difference between public service and self-service, and theres not one of you that dont have the instincts to pick that up immediately" - he's actually saying that being a self-serving energy exec, or a politician on the take, is better than serving the public. He thinks that because they're driven by profit, it is morally right for them to control elected representatives, rather than the electorate.
This is a right-wing conservative, who worships at the altar of profit. And he's proud of it.

WiVoter
(1,253 posts)Why he chooses to be a Democrat. We sure need him as a Democrat in the Senate, but he has apparently made a choice, then acted against it. Its a mystery to me, truly.
agingdem
(8,558 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 17, 2022, 01:45 PM - Edit history (1)
he would be one of many..no power...he would stand alongside Cruz, Hawley..another self-serving blowhard, nothing special ...as long as he stays a Dem he gets to quash Biden's agenda from within..he can do the Republican's dirty work in the name of bipartisanship...Manchin defines loathsome...
WiVoter
(1,253 posts)How can the Dems fix that?
Mad_Machine76
(24,856 posts)so that votes don't hinge on his (and Sinema's) votes.
agingdem
(8,558 posts)then Manchin and Sinema become irrelevant...you can bet Sinema's career in politics is over...she's pissed off too many of her constituents..and I'm not so sure Manchin can get reelected, either...he's shown his stripes...
WiVoter
(1,253 posts)in defeat. 😊
11 Bravo
(24,106 posts)Kittycatkat
(1,763 posts)to represent us. The Repugs have utter disdain for the US, its citizens and democracy. Scary days here.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,743 posts)dflprincess
(28,805 posts)The United Mine Workers urged him to vote for. Manchin ignored the workers and stuck with the owners.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,743 posts)Lasher
(28,807 posts)So I think we can take their survey with a grain of salt.
https://www.naw.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Statewide-Key-Findings-Memo-2022.01.25.pdf
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,743 posts)Celerity
(49,754 posts)look at the question
leading AF
Q: Last month, Senator Joe Manchin from West Virginia said that he would not support moving forward
with President Bidens Build Back Better Act, citing his concerns about inflation, the national debt and the
recent COVID-19 surges. Do you agree with Senator Manchins decision to prioritize other legislative
measures at this time?
using your reasoning
should we now start elevating Rasmussen to a prime source of Biden's approval rating?
Also, the poll is for ALL WV voters, Rethugs included
of course many Rethugs are going to be anti-BBB
WV Dems (Manchin's base) overwhelmingly support BBB
Link to tweet
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,743 posts)So basically, each side is seeing what they want to see. In the mean time WV is electing conservatives like Manchin and supporting Trump by double digits.
But sure, they REALLY support progressive policies. Or at least 70% of 384 people do.
Celerity
(49,754 posts)Party's midterms chances. He and Sinema's obstructionism has blocked (as of today) all the voter rights/protection bills, PLUS over 90% of Biden's new spend framework agenda between the BIF (only $550 billion in new spend passed versus Biden's original $2.6 trillion framework) and the BBB (zero dollars passed out of Biden's original $3.5 trillion dollar framework). Manchin openly goes against his own voters' (WV Dems) wishes far too often. He is openly in the pocket of Big Energy and corrupted by his own multimillion dollar profits (tens of millions of dollars) he and his family extract for themselves from coal. He brags about it, he brazenly revels in it. It is abhorrent. His being the chair of the U.S. Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources is a massive conflict of interest and allows him to repeatedly self-deal.
from another survey (this one non partisan):
In deep red West Virginia, Bidens $3.5tn spending proposal is immensely popular
Working-class people even Trump voters understand the Build Back Better plan will benefit them
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/west-virginia-joe-biden-spending-plan-popular
Elizabeth Masters isnt a natural Joe Biden supporter. A self-described conservative who lives in Parkersburg, in deeply Republican West Virginia, she said she registered to vote in the last election so she could cast a ballot for Donald Trump. Masters says she doesnt approve when people just stand for a handout she doesnt think the United States should be spending money on undocumented immigrants, for example but says anything that will help people that are trying to do for themselves, Im all for it. To that end, Masters has found herself supportive of efforts by the Biden administration to pass a $3.5tn budget proposal that is full of ambitious plans to help poorer and working class Americans on a range of social issues from childcare to healthcare.
Though vehemently opposed by Republicans and West Virginias own Democratic senator, Joe Manchin, there is some evidence that the proposals contained in the spending plans which some have likened to the 1930s New Deal are more popular among grassroots Republicans than their political representatives. That may be especially true in West Virginia, which is a poor, largely white and working class state whose residents would stand to greatly benefit from the Biden effort. That is why Masters says she supports the Child Tax Credit, the monthly payments from the IRS given to families with children making less than $200,000. The Build Back Better plan would make the credits permanent.
Masters and her husband recently took out a loan to repair the roof on their house, only to lose the home in a fire. They did not have insurance, so they are still paying on the loan. The Child Tax Credit payment she receives each month for her nine-year-old son covers that loan every month. Bidens budget bill includes his Build Back Better plan, which would cut taxes for most Americans, raise taxes on the rich, train more workers and lower costs for healthcare, childcare, education and housing.
When the nonpartisan nonprofit WorkMoney surveyed more than 50,000 of its 2 million members nationwide, it found 81% of respondents said they supported this plan. That includes 90% of liberals who took the survey, 81% of moderates and 66% of conservatives. Conservative backing appears even more robust in West Virginia, home of Manchin, a moderate Democrat who is one of the critical holdouts on the budget bill and whose efforts could derail the entire plan or see large chunks of it scrapped as he balks at the budgets price tag. But according to the survey, 80% of more than 800 people surveyed in his home state believe he should vote to pass the bill. That includes 77% of conservatives who responded to the survey.
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onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)People are still getting hides for telling the truth.
justhanginon
(3,362 posts)Manchin quote, "use the same type of approach, when you have politicians that come and ask for support, that you do when you make a financial decision for yourself and your family: You want a return on investment.
LudwigPastorius
(12,389 posts)Well, isn't he just the proud, little vote-whore.
Midnight Writer
(23,896 posts)I take it that's what is meant by "return on investment".
Wounded Bear
(61,897 posts)WVreaper
(661 posts)and this asshole is one of my two senators, the other being a republican. This used to be a democratic state, but that has fallen by the wayside. Hell, we even elected a democrat for governor in the last gouvenatorial election, only to see him flip to the dark side right after the election. I will vote for almost any democrat that would primary. They will lose that battle, but even if they would win, they would lose in the general election to any republican opponent. As much as I do not want to see it, Manchin will get reelected. His IS still a Democrat for now.
KS Toronado
(21,017 posts)Big Oil has a lot of money right now, go get some for your reelection campaign chest.
Celerity
(49,754 posts)
I_UndergroundPanther
(13,056 posts)Fucking right winger has been an r since he got into politics and the slimy fucker fooled so many dems. Because he revealed who he was and what side he is on we can reject candidates like him from running in the first place. Clever move to be a fake democrat he alone has fucked up so much of the dem agenda. Doing it in ways republicans cant.
Fucker.
We need to vet our candidates better and keep closet r pigs like manchin out of the party. We need to be careful. Republicans for profit have no limits to how low they'll go to get thier way.