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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,919 posts)
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:10 PM Mar 2022

Ukraine killed a Russian general after he made an unsecured call that gave away his location, report

Ukrainian troops were able to intercept a call by a Russian general and kill him, according to The New York Times.

The paper cited two US military officials for the information. It did not name the general or give a location.

The report corroborates suggestions that the Russian military is using unsecured communications that Ukraine has been able to intercept.

Ukraine said it has killed four generals so far, an unusual toll for such senior officers.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-killed-a-russian-general-after-he-made-an-unsecured-call-that-gave-away-his-location-report-says/ar-AAVbLC5

The Russians don't use secure channels to communicate? Sounds like some corrupt official may have pocketed the money that was supposed to upgrade their systems.

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Ukraine killed a Russian general after he made an unsecured call that gave away his location, report (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 OP
"Encrypted messaging? Why? What's the worst that could happen?" Aristus Mar 2022 #1
Can you hear me now? YUUUUP! TheBlackAdder Mar 2022 #21
It is unfortunate this was made public, so it is unlikely they will make that mistake again JohnSJ Mar 2022 #2
This info has been public for some time now. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #7
Well, ... it was the same way they heard about and publicized another general's death Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #12
Russia made an encryted comm system for the military, but Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #3
I guess they're learning, yagotme Mar 2022 #4
It is impossible to underestimate the equipment and technology MineralMan Mar 2022 #5
The first I saw this in use was when Russian-backed Syria targeted news reporters. TheBlackAdder Mar 2022 #22
Amazing, the domestic terrorists who attacked the Capitol on 1/6 bottomofthehill Mar 2022 #6
With the reported lack of military rations ... left-of-center2012 Mar 2022 #8
Or on Tinder, looking for a date? speak easy Mar 2022 #11
4 Russian generals dead, 8 fired, 1 jailed. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #9
There are 3 sections of encryption: the beginning, middle and end Tetrachloride Mar 2022 #10
I'll bet he won't make that mistake again. lpbk2713 Mar 2022 #13
"Your call is very important to us; please remain on the line..." brooklynite Mar 2022 #14
His vehicle warranty was about to expire. yagotme Mar 2022 #16
It IS hard to find a tank repair shop in Ukraine... brooklynite Mar 2022 #17
Where "Blowing the engine" yagotme Mar 2022 #20
Lmao!... HipChick Mar 2022 #18
Don't they use burner phones in Russia? FakeNoose Mar 2022 #15
Pure speculation on my part jobendorfer Mar 2022 #19

Irish_Dem

(46,918 posts)
7. This info has been public for some time now.
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:22 PM
Mar 2022

And the idiot generals keep using unsecured lines.
They may have no choice if that is all they have.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
12. Well, ... it was the same way they heard about and publicized another general's death
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:28 PM
Mar 2022

... about ten days ago. Gerasimov.


Russian forces in Kharkiv have accidentally taken out their own secure communications systems by destroying the 3G towers they depend on, it has been reported.

Ukraine's military has shared an intercepted call captured as a result, reporting the death of Major General Vitaly Gerasimov to someone identified as a senior Russian intelligence officer by Bellingcat's Christo Grozev.

The incident is the latest evidence of the technological and equipment challenges facing Russia's invasion force, as indicated by photographs of civilian radios and abandoned and captured vehicles.


https://news.sky.com/story/russians-reportedly-take-out-own-secure-communications-system-during-kharkiv-assault-12560577

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
3. Russia made an encryted comm system for the military, but
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:13 PM
Mar 2022

... corruption, among other things.

Here's a more detailed explanation (reports I read about cell phone towers may have been confused)

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russian-comms-ukraine-world-hertz
March 4

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
5. It is impossible to underestimate the equipment and technology
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:19 PM
Mar 2022

Russian ground troops have available to them. State-of-the-art equipment is available, but not to field units. That stuff is reserved for elite military organizations, and they're not in Ukraine.

That situation has long been the case in the Russian military.

TheBlackAdder

(28,183 posts)
22. The first I saw this in use was when Russian-backed Syria targeted news reporters.
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:59 PM
Mar 2022

.

Now it's coming home to roost.

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bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
6. Amazing, the domestic terrorists who attacked the Capitol on 1/6
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:21 PM
Mar 2022

Used secure communications, yet the conscripts that Russia is sending to Ukraine do not have them. Amazing.

Tetrachloride

(7,833 posts)
10. There are 3 sections of encryption: the beginning, middle and end
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:24 PM
Mar 2022

Any one of those could be broken and might be enough for you know what

FakeNoose

(32,630 posts)
15. Don't they use burner phones in Russia?
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:46 PM
Mar 2022

Actually I thought the Russians invented the idea of burner phones. But I could be wrong.

jobendorfer

(508 posts)
19. Pure speculation on my part
Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:55 PM
Mar 2022

One of the things Putin has to worry about is plotting by his armed forces (which are more than powerful enough to topple him, should they chose to do so).

I would not be surprised to learn that the Russian Army is not allowed to use crypto gear, so that his FSB (or whoever the Russian internal security agency is, these days) can monitor their training activities and operations.

Even if their cell communications were encrypted, just the fact that Ukrainians have access to the towers and could do basic traffic analysis could give away a great deal. For example, my county Sheriff's office often uses tower triangulation to zero in on missing hikers and climbers in the Cascades, using cell tower pings. I would have to imagine that Ukrainian intelligence could that or even more sophisticated things.

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