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The congressional commission overseeing the removal of Confederate names from military bases released a list of potential new names on Wednesday.
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But former President Donald Trump threatened to tank the defense bill if it included legislation to rename bases. He tweeted he would not even consider removing Confederate names from the installations, even after then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy said he was open to the possibility.
The defense bill with the formation of a naming commission intact passed the House and Senate in late 2020 with overwhelming majorities, but was vetoed by Trump in part over the issue of renaming bases. After Congress enacted the defense bill over Trumps veto in January 2021, the Trump administration named four individuals to the commission, all of whom were removed by President Joe Bidens defense secretary, Lloyd Austin.
Members of the commission include retired Adm. Michelle Howard the Navys first female four-star admiral and the first Black woman to command a Navy ship serving as chair, and retired Gen. Bob Neller, the former commandant of the Marine Corps.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/17/confederate-army-bases-new-names-00018187
The actual names being recommended are not in the article (a few are but not near all) but can be found from a link in the article here:
https://www.thenamingcommission.gov/names
Certainly, some of the names I know but I admit, many I've never heard of... I'll have to do some looking.
WarGamer
(12,444 posts)And why isn't there a base named after George S Patton?
Make Fort Benning into Ft. Patton.
Ray Bruns
(4,095 posts)WarGamer
(12,444 posts)misanthrope
(7,416 posts)I looked for him.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)That was where the armor school was located when I was stationed there in 1970. There was Patton stuff every where. Now the armor school is in Ft Benning, so yes, name it Ft Patton.
sarisataka
(18,654 posts)His merits as a combat leader are unquestioned. As a person he had some serious flaws. His admitted self-publicizing, prima Donna attitude and disparaging remarks could likely be overlooked.
The racism of his upbringing in the post war south however is harder to waive away. He openly spoke of how he viewed blacks as inferior soldiers. His views did evolve, he requested the first black armored unit be assigned to his command and is possibly the first general who integrated infantry squads, but he never renounced his previous statements. He also had antisemitic views yet key members of his staff were Jewish.
I think the Army does not want to risk the PR backlash of Patton's negative traits.
WarGamer
(12,444 posts)To be accurate... in that day and age... most people held beliefs that are considered disagreeable today.
Patton was the Sherman of his time...
Sherman was probably mentally ill and hated Native Americans and used the same "scorched earth" strategy vs them that he did in Atlanta.
If they're going to skip over historical heroes because of using contemporary standards to judge them...
MIght as well name the bases after numbers.
Ft Benning can be Ft. 3288
sarisataka
(18,654 posts)Have some skeletons in their closet as probably bases currently named after non Confederate people were less than ideal.
I could easily see his name being up for debate. In some ways he was ahead of his time treating blacks as equals when they were soldiers. But I can understand also why he was left off the list.
WarGamer
(12,444 posts)Camp Mother Teresa
Fort Paul the Apostle
Fort Pope John Paul
Fort Betty White
and
Fort Lollipop
sarisataka
(18,654 posts)There are Catholics on that list
Although I would like to hear what the troops stationed at Fort Lolipop have to say about being stationed there
WarGamer
(12,444 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,290 posts)WarGamer
(12,444 posts)George S Patton led the 3rd army, changing boots every day because they got stuck up Krauts ass on a daily basis.
Sneederbunk
(14,290 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)WarGamer
(12,444 posts)What an incredible and brave man.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)You cant name the historical Home of The Infantry after a tanker.
Zorro
(15,740 posts)Lest they forget.
Ray Bruns
(4,095 posts)or Hugh Jass
dweller
(23,632 posts)Lt. Corp Hugh Jassell ?
✌🏻
Maine Abu El Banat
(3,479 posts)Ray Bruns
(4,095 posts)Jack from Charlotte
(2,367 posts)*
WarGamer
(12,444 posts)misanthrope
(7,416 posts)Any clue on who that might be?
sarisataka
(18,654 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)And not a person.
JHB
(37,160 posts)It's good to see he's been promoted since F-Troop was last on the air.
underpants
(182,803 posts)I see that Smedley Butler isnt on the list
GP6971
(31,156 posts)on Okinawa.
underpants
(182,803 posts)sarisataka
(18,654 posts)The Army is not going to name one of their bases after him
underpants
(182,803 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,654 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)American Civil War
Photo of Tubman sitting, late 1860s
Tubman in the late 1860s
When the Civil War broke out in 1861, Tubman saw a Union victory as a key step toward the abolition of slavery. General Benjamin Butler, for instance, aided escaped slaves flooding into Fort Monroe in Virginia.[100] Butler had declared these fugitives to be "contraband" property seized by northern forces and put them to work, initially without pay, in the fort.[101] Tubman hoped to offer her own expertise and skills to the Union cause, too, and soon she joined a group of Boston and Philadelphia abolitionists heading to the Hilton Head district in South Carolina. She became a fixture in the camps, particularly in Port Royal, South Carolina, assisting fugitives.[102]
Tubman met with General David Hunter, a strong supporter of abolition. He declared all of the "contrabands" in the Port Royal district free, and began gathering former slaves for a regiment of black soldiers.[103] U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, however, was not prepared to enforce emancipation on the southern states, and reprimanded Hunter for his actions.[103] Tubman condemned Lincoln's response and his general unwillingness to consider ending slavery in the U.S., for both moral and practical reasons. "God won't let master Lincoln beat the South till he does the right thing", she said.
Master Lincoln, he's a great man, and I am a poor negro; but the negro can tell master Lincoln how to save the money and the young men. He can do it by setting the negro free. Suppose that was an awful big snake down there, on the floor. He bite you. Folks all scared, because you die. You send for a doctor to cut the bite; but the snake, he rolled up there, and while the doctor doing it, he bite you again. The doctor dug out that bite; but while the doctor doing it, the snake, he spring up and bite you again; so he keep doing it, till you kill him. That's what master Lincoln ought to know.[104]
Tubman served as a nurse in Port Royal, preparing remedies from local plants and aiding soldiers suffering from dysentery. She rendered assistance to men with smallpox; that she did not contract the disease herself started more rumors that she was blessed by God.[105] At first, she received government rations for her work, but newly freed blacks thought she was getting special treatment. To ease the tension, she gave up her right to these supplies and made money selling pies and root beer, which she made in the evenings.[106]
Scouting and the Combahee River Raid
When Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, Tubman considered it an important step toward the goal of liberating all black people from slavery.[107] She renewed her support for a defeat of the Confederacy, and in early 1863 she led a band of scouts through the land around Port Royal.[108] The marshes and rivers in South Carolina were similar to those of the Eastern Shore of Maryland; thus, her knowledge of covert travel and subterfuge among potential enemies was put to good use.[108] Her group, working under the orders of Secretary of War Edwin Stanton, mapped the unfamiliar terrain and reconnoitered its inhabitants. She later worked alongside Colonel James Montgomery, and provided him with key intelligence that aided in the capture of Jacksonville, Florida.[109]
Sketch of Tubman standing with a rifle
A woodcut of Tubman in her Civil War clothing
Later that year, Tubman became the first woman to lead an armed assault during the Civil War.[110] When Montgomery and his troops conducted an assault on a collection of plantations along the Combahee River, Tubman served as a key adviser and accompanied the raid. On the morning of June 2, 1863, Tubman guided three steamboats around Confederate mines in the waters leading to the shore.[111] Once ashore, the Union troops set fire to the plantations, destroying infrastructure and seizing thousands of dollars worth of food and supplies.[112] When the steamboats sounded their whistles, slaves throughout the area understood that they were being liberated. Tubman watched as slaves stampeded toward the boats. "I never saw such a sight", she said later,[113] describing a scene of chaos with women carrying still-steaming pots of rice, pigs squealing in bags slung over shoulders, and babies hanging around their parents' necks. Although their owners, armed with handguns and whips, tried to stop the mass escape, their efforts were nearly useless in the tumult.[112] As Confederate troops raced to the scene, steamboats packed full of slaves took off toward Beaufort.[114]
More than 750 slaves were rescued in the Combahee River Raid.[115][113] Newspapers heralded Tubman's "patriotism, sagacity, energy, [and] ability",[116] and she was praised for her recruiting efforts most of the newly liberated men went on to join the Union army.[116] Tubman later worked with Colonel Robert Gould Shaw at the assault on Fort Wagner, reportedly serving him his last meal.[117] She described the battle by saying: "And then we saw the lightning, and that was the guns; and then we heard the thunder, and that was the big guns; and then we heard the rain falling, and that was the drops of blood falling; and when we came to get the crops, it was dead men that we reaped."[118]
For two more years, Tubman worked for the Union forces, tending to newly liberated slaves, scouting into Confederate territory, and nursing wounded soldiers in Virginia.[119] She also made periodic trips back to Auburn to visit her family and care for her parents.[120] The Confederacy surrendered in April 1865; after donating several more months of service, Tubman headed home to Auburn.[121]
During a train ride to New York in 1869, the conductor told her to move from a half-price section into the baggage car. She refused, showing the government-issued papers that entitled her to ride there. He cursed at her and grabbed her, but she resisted and he summoned two other passengers for help. While she clutched at the railing, they muscled her away, breaking her arm in the process. They threw her into the baggage car, causing more injuries. As these events transpired, other white passengers cursed Tubman and shouted for the conductor to kick her off the train.[122] Her act of defiance became a historical symbol, later cited when Rosa Parks refused to move from a bus seat in 1955.[123][124]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Tubman#American_Civil_War
Not enlisted but... I'm more than good with her getting a nod.
Sgent
(5,857 posts)Just highlighting two paragraphs where she was directly working for the Army.
... Her group, working under the orders of Secretary of War Edwin Stanton, mapped the unfamiliar terrain and reconnoitered its inhabitants. She later worked alongside Colonel James Montgomery, and provided him with key intelligence that aided in the capture of Jacksonville, Florida.[109]
Later that year, Tubman became the first woman to lead an armed assault during the Civil War.[110] When Montgomery and his troops conducted an assault on a collection of plantations along the Combahee River, Tubman served as a key adviser and accompanied the raid. On the morning of June 2, 1863, Tubman guided three steamboats around Confederate mines in the waters leading to the shore.[111] Once ashore, the Union troops set fire to the plantations, destroying infrastructure and seizing thousands of dollars worth of food and supplies.[112] When the steamboats sounded their whistles, slaves throughout the area understood that they were being liberated. Tubman watched as slaves stampeded toward the boats. "I never saw such a sight", she said later,[113] describing a scene of chaos with women carrying still-steaming pots of rice, pigs squealing in bags slung over shoulders, and babies hanging around their parents' necks. Although their owners, armed with handguns and whips, tried to stop the mass escape, their efforts were nearly useless in the tumult.[112] As Confederate troops raced to the scene, steamboats packed full of slaves took off toward Beaufort.[114]
BlueTsunami2018
(3,492 posts)Too few people know of him and what he did.
underpants
(182,803 posts)I made the same mistake. He was a Marine not Army. There is a Marine base named after him.