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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRussian prisoner talking to his wife. His entire battalion was eliminated.
Heartbreaking at 1:06 when she tells him I want you to come home.
Link to tweet
brooklynite
(94,490 posts)Karadeniz
(22,492 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)How many war crimes has he personally committed? Nobody goes home until there is a full accounting for murderous acts against civilians.
Fla Dem
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Agree there has to be accountability, especially at the top; Putin. What a travesty it would be if all the captured Russian soldiers who were ordered into this conflict, with lies about a training mission, or they will be welcomed with open arms end up spending years in a prison, while the madman responsible gets away scot free.
Yes I'm heartbroken for all those in Ukraine, every single one of them. Does not mean I cannot feel some empathy for those soldiers conscripted into service, lied to about the situation and then ordered to invade, destroy and kill. It's a tragedy all the way around.
erronis
(15,223 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,967 posts)The soldiers, seemingly inexperienced, are following orders, which is what soldiers do. Yes, some have walked away, but I suspect the Russian punishment for disobeying orders is beyond harsh and could even be death. I hope Putin and his military leaders are all tried for war crimes.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)TxGuitar
(4,189 posts)were "following orders". So were those that enforced the Holodomor.
JHB
(37,158 posts)The guy is a prisoner. Putin is the poisoner.
OAITW r.2.0
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That has got to be a real morale booster. Forced into a shameful war and knowing how little your CO's care about you..... I wonder if we will see large scale troop desertions soon?
erronis
(15,223 posts)Person of Interest
(365 posts)FakeNoose
(32,620 posts)A swap only happens when both sides have POWs to trade.
dchill
(38,465 posts)ZonkerHarris
(24,218 posts)bobacatt
(23 posts)I think he means Russians are killing Ukrainian wounded. Therefore there will be no prisoner exchange.
Russians would not kill their own wounded. More deaths on the battlefield is NOT good for Putin.
When he says No one is collecting the bodies I think he means it in general: neither side is bothering or neither side has safety to do it.
erronis
(15,223 posts)Just like the body counts in wars I have known, don't report the bad news. Amplify the good. Light at the end of the tunnel.
I'm guessing the allied (fair to use that term now?) intelligence service have a much better count of casualties than the Kremlin does.
Emrys
(7,228 posts)On the contrary, there have been many accounts of Russians killing their own wounded, not least from Russian POWs.
Morale be damned, they don't have the resources, infrastructure or luxury of time to cope with wounded.
All these accounts are obviously shrouded in the fog of war, but if you truly believe what you've just written, tell me - or even show me ANY videos - of wounded Russian military personnel being tended or shipped out.
"More deaths on the battlefield is NOT good for Putin."
Again, on the contrary, any evidence of failure on the ground is bad for Putin. Wounded soldiers would be a telling part of that evidence. Far better for him if they just go MIA, forgotten and unburied, or as has been documented, piling up in morgues in Belarus or temporary cold stores near the battle fronts in Ukraine, with only a proportion claimed and accounted for and shipped back to Russia.
He doesn't give a fuck for his troops, and his troops can't afford to give a fuck for each other, especially when wounded or dead.
I dont know. I mean, of course it is cheaper to shoot the wounded than care for them. And I have no illusion that Putin cares about the troops. He will do whatever is good for Putin.
(Aside: In the WWII Soviet army, Im pretty sure it was policy to prevent desertion by having officers in the rear shoot any grunts who tried to dash away into the woods. Which is more understandable in war than shooting wounded, but still brutal.)
I just think whats good for Putin is having families welcoming home their patched-up sons, not families torn with grief and raising hell. But yeah, you make sense too.
The article you link to doesnt strike me as reliable. Id guess its part true, but exaggerated.
Emrys
(7,228 posts)It's been at the forefront of revelations about the UK government for quite a while now. It's also far from the only media outlet (along with individuals) that has been making similar reports.
However, having written what I did above, I have found some reports of Russian casualties being shipped around - notably not directly to Russia, but to Belarus:
Homel residents told RFE/RL that wounded Russian soldiers were being brought to three separate medical facilities in the city, including one specializing in cancer treatment.
A doctor at Mazyr's main city hospital told RFE/RL that the facility was now under guard by police and security agencies, and that doctors had been threatened with firing if they spoke about conditions. The doctor said that all physicians on staff, even those from more specialized professions, had been tasked with treating wounded Russians.
"There are not enough surgeons. Earlier, the corpses were transported by ambulances and loaded on Russian trains," the doctor said. "After someone made a video about it and it went on the Internet, the bodies were loaded at night so as not to attract attention."
At Hospital No. 4 in Homel, officials began to discharge current patients on March 1 in order to make room for wounded Russians, according to multiple residents whom RFE/RL spoke to. "There are so many wounded Russians there -- it's just a horror. Terribly disfigured. It is impossible to listen to their moans throughout the whole hospital," said one resident who was treated in the Homel hospital.
https://www.rferl.org/a/belarus-morgues-russian-soldiers/31760144.html
This bears out similar reports from other sources. (There's more at the link, but I've hit DU's paragraph limit for media quotes.)
I'd put it this way: we see videos of Zelensky almost every day visiting injured servicepeople and civilians in hospital - and this in war zones. I can't find any reports or evidence that Putin has done anything similar anywhere. If this invasion is such a heroic mission, you'd think he'd want to publicly laud the heroes - and their families.
Instead, we see scenes like this distraught mother of a young Russian conscript serving in Ukraine, who's terribly concerned for her son and herself in fear of the police while she's being interviewed on camera:
Link to tweet
It's almost like Putin is ashamed of them all.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)Maybe it was covid related, but given how things are going I'm thinking they knew what they were up and they expected there be carnage.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-mass-burials-regulations/31619324.html
GB_RN
(2,347 posts)The reason being reported by the captured Russian troops is because of a lack of medical supplies to treat them in the field. Therefore, the officers are essentially performing "mercy killings".
The Russians are leaving their dead where they fall and the Ukrainians don't give a flying fuck about dead Russian troops at the moment, as they have bigger concerns on their hands than trying to pick up and bury dead enemy bodies.
Emile
(22,651 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)No one wins in war.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Not a single pilot has been captured.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)...but yes, a lot of parachute failures.
colorado_ufo
(5,733 posts)I saw a video where the plane went down, and a voice said that the pilot ejected. Next part of the clip, they show them finding the helmet and said that later the pilot was found.
Mr.Bill
(24,274 posts)crematoriums the first thing I thought was they could cremate their dead and report them as having deserted or just MIA.
alfredo
(60,071 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)He may have been part of a Spetsnaz battalion or similar.
Hes not a conscript. Hes a professional soldier and the likelihood of swapping him is zero. The Ukrainians would never return such a trained pro to the other side. Thats why this guy wants his wife to try to pressure the Russian side to advocate for him.
Newsflash! Hes not going back to Russia anytime soon
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Arazi
(6,829 posts)In the Black Sea near Odesa. If Putin is getting short on troops (and I think he is), its not inconceivable Naval Infantry is pulled into the fight before they attempt to take Odesa.
It would be super stupid to thin the Naval ranks but jayzus, who the fuck knows anymore.
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bobacatt
(23 posts)According to Wiki, Russia has a military of like 1.2 million active members. Im guessing that maybe 3/4 are in support positions (cooks and clerks, etc). Of the actual fighters, maybe only 2/3 can be deployed to Ukraine due to others protecting Russias borders etc.
But thats still about 200,000 soldiers. Even if 15K have already died, thats a drop in the bucket.
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COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)I think he's from a paratroop unit. I can't imagine a Spetznaz being captured.
TomSlick
(11,096 posts)GENEVA CONVENTION RELATIVE TO THE TREATMENT OF PRISONERS OF WAR OF 12 AUGUST 1949
Article 13:
The world rightly accuses Russia of war crimes - and there are many and far more serious - but using enemy prisoners of war for propaganda purposes is a violation.
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TomSlick
(11,096 posts)I get it, this violation pales in comparison to Russia's more serious war crimes. However, Ukraine should be scrupulous in its compliance with the Law of War to make the comparison with Putin all the more clear.
bobacatt
(23 posts)But I cant help thinking that if this video could trend on Russian social media, it would help stir outrage against the war and calls for a speedy peace.
TomSlick
(11,096 posts)It is always the case that the purpose of propaganda is to stir up the public. The ends do not justify the means.
harumph
(1,897 posts)Putin is literally risking all of our lives. What he's doing is so batshit insane and cruel.
So my response to the constant reminders
that filming Russian POWs is against the rules, is... so what?
Murder is wrong too.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)TomSlick
(11,096 posts)I very much suspect the "Ukrainian militants" this goon detained were not humanly treated. Nevertheless, one side of a conflict committing war crimes does justify the other side doing so.
These Russian goons did not appear to be military. I am concerned they may be members of the Russian MVD.
WarGamer
(12,427 posts)Or those civilians they were frisking? The civilians were Ukrainian citizens deemed to be citizens of Mariupol and not UKR soldiers.
TomSlick
(11,096 posts)The other goons' uniforms didn't "look right." I suspect they are MVD.
WarGamer
(12,427 posts)He's a civilian stopped by the RU military and asked to show their body to check for tattoos.
TomSlick
(11,096 posts)I was confused by his justification for the searches for tats.