Ukraine rejects Russia's demand to surrender Mariupol by 5 am

[Yorkie Mom]

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[wcmagumba]

1. Brave folks in Ukraine, like other heroes in history..."nuts"...nt

[lpbk2713]

2. Nuts!

Fugoff.

[delisen]

3. Truly terrorism & insanity of leadership by Russia.

That we are not able as a world to stop this madness of maiming,murdering, and total destruction is a huge wake-up call to our world

[Ocelot II]

4. As Brig. Gen. McAuliffe said...

"December 22, 1944

To the German Commander,

N U T S !

The American Commander"

The whole story here: https://www.army.mil/article/92856/the_story_of_the_nuts_reply

[L. Coyote]

5. Російські військові, ідіть нахуй

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[BootinUp]

6. If they can stop Russia's forward movement they can survive.

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[Wounded Bear]

7. Rusians haven't been trustworthy anyway, have been firing on "humanitarian corridors"...nt

[Wingus Dingus]

8. As one would expect. Threats to kill the hostages don't work

after you've already spent three weeks...uh, killing the hostages.

[TomSlick]

9. Slava Ukraini.

[nycbos]

10. We shall never surrender.

[PortTack]

11. Thx for posting..a powerful speech...loved the movie

[PortTack]

12. If they surrender, they know their fate will be that of the 1,000+ that were taken to Russia

[Azathoth]

13. "would only establish humanitarian corridor if Mauripol surrenders"

You can't really get a more explicit admission of war crimes than that.

[Hekate]

14. 🌻🌻🌻

🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻

[Gore1FL]

15. I wish there was a way to help these people in a way that doesn't trigger WWIII.

I do think such a conflict is avoidable given the military and diplomatic failures of Russia. The human expense in the meantime in maddening.

[Lithos]

16. I think that is the wrong question

The question is not if WW III will happen, but has it already started and we're just too foolish to see?

[Gore1FL]

18. If Russia was more successful, I'd be more inclined to agree.

Ukraine has stopped Russian ambitions in it's tracks. If Russia could leave with Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk, they would. I hope they don't. I think Ukraine could ultimately have peace without giving up any territory.

After that, Russia doesn't have the strength to occupy a Denny's.

[Lithos]

21. I'm afraid bullies do not work like that...

Bullies like him lose many times, but double down each and every time to prevent consequences. Think Trump. Putin has already started moving population into Russia as hostages. He will use them to squat on any gains he makes, refusing them to go back to their homes, effectively creating a Ukrainian diaspora hauntingly familiar with the Holodomar where the Ukrainian populations of Donetsk and Lukhansk were starved en masse and them driven out in favor of ethnic Russian settlement.

This will repeat for countries such as Georgia, Moldavia would topple like dominos.... And once NATO is shown as effectivel toothless, then it will be easy to carve out smaller states.

Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe. Putin only needs to rebuild enough of his army to handle the smaller ones - maybe down for a year or two. He's not interested in rebuilding what he conquers, only in that it is his.

[Gore1FL]

22. At some point, the bully looks like the black knight in Monty Python.

Right now, we are around 2 limbs in.

[Lithos]

23. Not quite how it works

TBH, Putin has just lost 15,000 men and a few generals, but the army has learned lessons which can only be learned only after seeing the elephant a few times.

Tanks, planes and the like can be rebuilt in a year or two. 15,000 men can be replaced in a year or two. In that time, they can and likely will restructure their military. This fits with the current pattern of Putin being involved in a war every couple of years. It would behoove Putin during this time to go back to influencing elections and see if he can get another weak-kneed GQP person back into the White House - one who might damage NATO yet again.

The world is watching. You can't tell me Xi is not studying things and playing both sides - rearming Russia would be in his interests as Russia would serve as a useful idiot in Chinese strategic planning. Modi has already reached his own conclusions and given us the middle finger.

[Gore1FL]

24. NATO is ridiculously stronger.

The top three air forces in the world in terms of aircraft are the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Army, and the U.S. Navy. Russia can't manage to fend off 60 aircraft, much less find their car keys. This is a disaster for Russia. Putin won't see 2023 in all likelihood.

I am sure Xi is watching. At this point, I can only imagine any plans he might have had to Taiwan are now ash.


There is no reason to escalate to WWIII. Russia does not have the ability to sustain this, much less widen it.

[Lithos]

25. Maybe, maybe not.

Trump came within a whisker of taking us out of NATO - all it would take is his re-election and/or one of his disciples to win and we're out. The US is turning into one of the world's most fickle allies. In this case, the next GQP president would do a "Chamberlain" - which is sell out our allies for peace in our time.

This would leave Russia against a fragmented NATO. Germany disarmed themselves a few years ago leaving only really France and the UK to pick up the pieces. I would not count on the UK either given their wishy-washiness as well. The only thing which would save Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia would be more direct coordination with Poland, Czechia, and Slovakia - maybe even Finland.

As stated, the two-three year traditional gap between wars would put us into the next presidential term.

China plays the long game - they are waiting for a time when the US policy is back to being weak. China's current interest is in developing the Silk Road which is building up their internal trade with all of Asia and doing so in a way which prevents any interference by both the US and by India. I think their interest in Taiwan is mostly sabre rattling and testing at the moment as their is no advantage in taking Taiwan at this time. That will come when Taiwan is no longer important for the world to care enough to do anything more than "hopes and prayers".

As for Taiwan, Taiwan is not NATO, so even if the US comes to Taiwan's aid, NATO is not coming in. The only guaranteed ally would be Japan, or maybe not. S. Korea and the Philippines are only maybes. China is developing just enough of a Navy and just enough of a missile force that they will make the US think twice about supporting Taiwan should and when they enter into the fray.

L-

[Gore1FL]

26. Your argument assumes several 2-year-from-now unlikelihoods

It requires:

1> An Anti-NATO GOP presidential candidate
2> That Anti-NATO GOP presidential candidate winning
3> That Anti-NATO GOP president having enough support to withdraw from NATO

Each step is predicated on the previous.

As far as Taiwan, NATO isn't relevant; Taiwan isn't located in the North Atlantic. What matters is the world's response to Russia over it's assault on Ukraine. The world won't take lightly to a Chinese assault on Taiwan, either. Not even getting into the military challenges in attacking an island, it's safe to assume they aren't going to risk it.

If I am wrong, we have two years to worry about it. To me, it seems like peace is worth the wait.

[Lithos]

27. Given our politics

50/50

The two years matches the wars Putin engaged in.

[relayerbob]

17. Apparently, the Deputy Mayor of the city ...

referred them to the Russian warship

[Goodheart]

19. It's not like Russia would honor their promise of a safe corridor, anyway.

Lying bastards.

[BigmanPigman]

20. I sing my daily chant...Fuck you, Putin, fuck you!

every time I hear news like this.

Putin will continue to manipulate mankind with nuclear threats until the day he dies. Hopefully that will be sooner than later but you never know. Really evil bastards somehow live very long lives, no Karma for them. Therefore, we must stop allowing him to wield this power of a possible nuclear war. That is BS and I think we need to nip Putin in the bud ASAP. He will use this again and again until we draw our own red line and say Fuck Off. He doesn't want a nuclear war and is full of shit. A very, very small eunuch is what he is, not a strong manly man as he thinks he is. I bet his mushroom is about the same size as Donny's is. TINY.