Ukrainian granny welcomed Russians with homemade cakes. She poisoned and killed eight.

[L. Coyote]

Link to tweet

[ornotna]

1. Wow, that's terrible

I hope it's true.

[Happy Hoosier]

65. Holy crap!!!!

You made me coffee spit!!!!

[dchill]

2. "You murder us - we will murder you."

[OAITW r.2.0]

3. Could have happened.

Could be propaganda, Will this get airplay in Putin's media? I would think so.

[BlackSkimmer]

6. No kidding. Yikes.

This will justify (to them) being brutal with civilians.

I remember the stories during Vietnam…”well even the kids can carry grenades.” Smh.

[OrangeJoe]

49. Yep

If this is true it probably should be kept under wraps. Otherwise you open the door for the invaders to shoot anyone approaching them.

[NutmegYankee]

63. They were being brutal anyway.

Too many images out there of civilians lying face down shot in the back of the head.

[lagomorph777]

61. It will get airplay among Putin's troops.

They will definitely think twice.

[Me.]

4. Boy Is She Brave

[Blue Owl]

5. Send a slice to Vlad ASAP

[BigmanPigman]

10. And to his BFF, tRump.

Literally kill 2 murderous assholes in one fell swoop. Works for me!

[Blue Owl]

26. Make sure FF45's slice has two scoops of Polonium ice cream on it!

Just to be safe….

[Sneederbunk]

7. Needs corroboration.

[L. Coyote]

8. More here:

Link to tweet

[CloudWatcher]

22. So ... not a reliable source

Russian soldiers appear to be massively ill-informed and brainwashed.

[L. Coyote]

23. So, a reliable source, a Russain soldier who was there and is overheard, caught on tape.

Albeit he stole a duck because he was starving, so there is that!

[Bucky]

81. He doesn't say he was there. He's only passing along what he heard

Basically an urban legend

[samnsara]

9. wow but i dont know what i would do if i was in her shoes..

[alphafemale]

12. When occupied everyone does what they can

People who fight fair are enslaved and die.

[Deuxcents]

13. I'm not sure, either, but I hope I'd be brave

And fight for my family n country the best I can.

[alphafemale]

11. I hope it really hurt and they knew they were dying.

Sorry.

I just lied.

[OAITW r.2.0]

15. Who is the audience for this story?

The Russian or Ukrainian people.....or both?

[L. Coyote]

21. Everyone everywhere reading English. It is a tweet.

Also, the Anton Gerashchenko (Adviser to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine ) video is in Russian.

"We have nothing to eat here. Yesterday we stole a duck! ... We are starving!"

[OAITW r.2.0]

24. It should be amped to the max, then.

If this happened, the world should be amplifying the message.....and don't allow Putin any chance of using this as domestic propaganda.

[L. Coyote]

31. The Russian soldier said they have no food, they have to steal it.

I don't worry about Putin using this for propaganda, it is so negative for Russia, so hungry they're going home in coffins.

[OAITW r.2.0]

34. Excellent point.

Totally right, The next 2 weeks are crucial. If Ukraine can maintain the status quo, Putin becomes Russia's Problem.

[iluvtennis]

14. Granny is protecting her homeland. Bravo!!!

[panader0]

16. This news might make the Russian soldiers less likely to steal food.

Whether it's true or not.

[herding cats]

18. My first thought was, "heck of a way to stop them from stealing food."

I don't know if it's true or an exaggeration, but I can see it as being useful either way.

[OAITW r.2.0]

29. Could very well be a great mythical story that cannot be disproven.

A story that the Ukrainians and the world believes true and can make the Russian conscript's morale drop significantly.

[L. Coyote]

36. I have a real life expeience with soldiers stealing food.

In this case corrupt guys inspecting everyone and everything on a road leading into a guerilla-controlled area of the Amazon, pilfering fruit from guys transporting to market. I told their commander at the checkpoint they might want to avoid eating stolen fruit now that someone might tell the guerillas they steal fruit. He looked shocked, and on the return he addressed me by name. It made an impression, I concluded.

Ukranians should just trade chickens or ducks for tanks.

Link to tweet

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I thank God I never had to make decisions that.

War is Hell.

[Cha]

19. This Is WAR! They Got OFF

easy.

💙💛

[IronLionZion]

20. Slightly different than the videos of giving them tea and food and calling their mothers

Could be true, could be propaganda to discourage the Russians.

[caraher]

44. There is a difference in the soldiers though

Tea and food and calls home were for the Russians who had surrendered. They were no longer occupiers.

[Hekate]

25. My mind immediately turned to Baba Yaga

[Maeve]

73. Beware women whose houses have chicken legs!

[Hekate]

74. Indeed

[vercetti2021]

27. If true

Then damn that grandma is fucking hardcore dude

[Bucky]

82. Ukrainians are showing how hardcore they are, but...

This is pretty clearly just a panicky urban legend passing around through the Russian military's grapevine

[BComplex]

37. And, far and away, the worst stories never get told.

War is hell, and is barbaric. I wish humans would just stop doing wars.

[bobacatt]

30. If it's true, I hope it was swift and painless

So: not novichok or polonium.

[L. Coyote]

33. Either way, it is ...

gut wretching news.

I wonder if she is the Ghost of Kyiv's granny. I'd call her a very clever heroine. And, to Putin, this is the price of not telling the naive troops the truth, "Oh, see how welcoming they are, offering us sweets."

[SKKY]

32. Those Babushkas go hard in the paint...

...I don't doubt this for a second.

[gordianot]

35. Old people in general should be avoided when angered.

Not much to lose especially when faced by invaders.

[SunSeeker]

40. True dat. nt

[calimary]

48. Yep. True dat.

All’s fair… and all that.

[blue-wave]

38. Wow! That's one brave Granny!!

[Crunchy Frog]

39. I really REALLY hope that's true.

[littlemissmartypants]

41. Poison is definitely underrated.

🌻🇺🇦❤🇺🇦🌻 Slava Ukraini! 🌻🇺🇦❤🇺🇦🌻

[BGBD]

42. Hard to tell if this particular story is true or not

But, it raises another point. A good strategy in this types of situation would be to poison some of your own food stocks.

Russian soldiers are reportedly hungery and stealing food. So, poison some of your own and just wait for them to take it on their own. IF enough people do it then eventually they are going to become very untrusting of the food they are stealing. They'll probably start forcing people to taste the food before taking it, so just make sure you mix in the poisoned food with the regular and have some system to remember which is which that they won't pick up on, and do your best to only taste the good stocks.

Or, use a poison with a longer timeframe and purge it after they leave, before it kills you.

[roamer65]

43. I bet she used Coumadin.

Aka warfarin…rat poison.

If so, very fitting way to kill them.

It’s a very commonly prescribed blood thinner.

[left-of-center2012]

50. A common blood thinner used for atrial fibrillation

Warfarin

The anticoagulant drug warfarin is widely used to prevent and treat deep-vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism, and to prevent stroke in patients who have atrial fibrillation, valvular heart disease, or a prosthetic heart valve.

In 1945, Link considered using a Warfarin derivative as a rodenticide. It acted too slowly to be a practical poison.

An early recipient of warfarin was US president Dwight D. Eisenhower, who was prescribed the drug after a myocardial infarction in 1955.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrcardio.2017.172

[roamer65]

51. It's the active ingredient in D-CON.

[left-of-center2012]

53. Was

As of 2019 the active ingredient in all bait stations has been changed to cholecalciferol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-CON#Ingredients

[roamer65]

55. Correct.

Still used as an anticoagulant in humans, but not as much anymore.

I remember when my grandfather freaked when I told him Coumadin was rat poison, literally.

[left-of-center2012]

57. Why not as much anymore?

I have atrial fib and Coumadin or Warfarin is one drug often recommended to me.
I have been on Xarelto the past couple years but recently developed anemia due to stomach bleeding.

[roamer65]

59. Because of drugs like Xarelto, Eliquis, etc, etc.

[inthewind21]

64. Avoid Wardarin

A friend of mine was on it for several years. It ate a hole in his stomach and he damn near died from internal bleeding.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

45. K&R

[L. Coyote]

52. I prefer to call them invaders.

They would say just doing our jobs and following orders. She did display her weapon, as require if you are a combatant.

[left-of-center2012]

54. "She did display her weapon"

Oh, my mistake. I did not realize she showed them the poison.

[Crunchy Frog]

69. They should have already been taught not to take candy from strangers.

[NutmegYankee]

62. I don't think war crimes restrictions apply to civilians.

[left-of-center2012]

66. There were Nazi civilians executed after WW II

For war crimes.
Probably some Japanese also.

[NutmegYankee]

67. Different rules in that situation.

That is pre-Geneva conventions and treaties, and those civilians were working for the state to carry out some major atrocities (Holocaust). On the other hand, farmers who pitchforked a downed pilot (a specific case I know about) faced no punishment.

[Crunchy Frog]

68. Would it be a war crime if this were the 1940s and they were Nazis?

EVERYTHING the Russians have done in Ukraine has been a war crime, including Invading in the first place.

If Granny survives this she deserves a medal for heroism.

[Straw Man]

80. Look up Hannie Schaft and Freddie Oversteegen.

They were Dutch teenagers who assassinated German soldiers during the occupation of the Netherlands, often by luring them into the woods for a "stroll." In an interview, Oversteegen described her actions: “Yes, I’ve shot a gun myself and I’ve seen them fall. And what is inside us at such a moment? You want to help them get up.”

Morality is a complex issue.

[Polybius]

76. Looks like we're along on this

I can't support tricking people to their death. The soldiers who died didn't kill her, so they might have been some of the better ones.

[left-of-center2012]

77. I guess my thinking is ...

What if this had happened to some of our soldiers.

[Crunchy Frog]

79. In a country that we invaded and occupied? War is Hell.

American soldiers don't occupy a place of privilege just because they're Americans.

Anyone old enough to join the military should have learned about not taking candy from strangers, especially strangers whose country you've invaded.

[yardwork]

91. As you stated in post #28, this might be a false story.

This story could be an attempt to turn the world's opinion against Ukraine.

[left-of-center2012]

78. I guess my thinking is ...

What if this had happened to some of our soldiers.

[yardwork]

90. This story might be made up to turn opinion against Ukraine.

It's impossible to know whether this is true or not. We do know that Putin excels at using propaganda to manipulate public opinions.

[róisín_dubh]

84. If she is shown to be an agent of the State...

Then yes. War crimes and more generally, international human rights violations statues would apply.
But…if this story is true, it’s unlikely she’d be proven to have acted on behalf of the State.

[yardwork]

86. Upthread you correctly noted that this could be a false story.

It could be a false story designed to turn opinion against Ukraine. Since the only source is apparently a Russian soldier calling home, I'm doubly suspicious of the truth and the purpose of this story.

If true, it's not something the Ukrainian government has promoted or confirmed. Are civilians in Ukraine defending themselves from murderous attacks? Probably. Why wouldn't they? Is this particular story true? Who knows.

If it's causing you to think negative thoughts about Ukraine... maybe it's propaganda that is working?

[Hortensis]

87. +1. Typical war story, and not every recipient would be only delighted

at thoughts of the deaths of 8 cannon-fodder soldiers. It'd tend to make the soldiers themselves more hostile and willing to kill, apparently unwillingness a normal problem with undertrained soldiers.

Wonder what poisons "babushkas" would presumably be familiar with that their urban granddaughers would not be. Guessing plants of the nightshade family might be available in the countryside.

[yardwork]

89. Post #28, upthread, you wrote:

Star Member left-of-center2012
28. Take it with a grain of salt
So many 'stories' come out of wars.

[calimary]

47. Delicious!

Killing ‘em with “kindness.”

[SunSeeker]

56. Have TWO slices, Ivan!

[prodigitalson]

58. What an adorable woman

absolutely zero sarcasm intended.

[Irish_Dem]

60. A story so RU soldiers will be afraid to steal Ukraine food?

And starve.

[Bucky]

70. Phone call source might be a wartime rumor. How verified is this story?

Is this phone call the original source for this story?

[L. Coyote]

75. See post #8 above

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216506123#post8

[Bucky]

83. Well, that's the same source I linked to. It's hearsay. It's a wartime rumor

[BootinUp]

71. I think the Brothers Grimm would have approved

And turn it into a lovely story book version.

[Hassler]

72. I admire her resourcefulness

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

85. If true, then Ukraine is the first to use chemical/biological weapons

Putin could use this as an excuse. As if he needs an actual incident for an excuse. I can't applaud this.

Murder by chocolate.

[yardwork]

92. The story could be made up to turn opinion against Ukraine.

We have no evidence of its truth at all. And even if true, it would be a case of murder, not state-sanctioned "chemical warfare."

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

93. Agree. Since the source was "eavesdropping on phone call",

it could have just been some grandma with a vicious sense of humor being a smart-ass, resulting in zero dead POWs.

Being in a country pounded by Russia might raise the frequency of graveyard humor jokes.

[yardwork]

95. It really might, now that you mention it!

[area51]

94. This reminded me of the

poisoned bread after WWII.

[bif]

96. You rock Busha!

Sounds like something my Busha would have done.