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liberalmediaaddict

(778 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 03:34 AM Mar 2022

How do you respond to conspiracy theorists?

Wondering how other Democrats deal with people who start rambling on about some right wing conspiracy theory that you know isn't true.

Living in the rural part of a red state (aka Trump Country), I encounter people on a daily basis that love to talk about conspiracy theories. In fact any current news issue I dare bring up usually triggers them to respond with some elaborate, right wing media fueled conspiracy that they could easily fact check but don't.

I read an article that suggested the best way to respond to an incorrect statement is by asking (calmly): "What news source did you get that information from?"

I've tried it and usually I get a response like: "I don't know. Somewhere. Can't remember" or "from a YouTube channel." Or if they feel cornered, they'll just quickly change the subject to the weather or sports. Honestly as I get older my patience with hearing this BS is getting shorter. Especially after enduring 4 years of Donald "The Conspiracy Theorist In Chief" Trump and his henchmen.

And if god forbid Republicans take back Congress in 2023, America is going to helplessly slide even deeper down the "everything is a conspiracy" rabbit hole.

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How do you respond to conspiracy theorists? (Original Post) liberalmediaaddict Mar 2022 OP
2 steps: LuckyCharms Mar 2022 #1
Definitely not worth debating them liberalmediaaddict Mar 2022 #3
Fact check with Google Septua Mar 2022 #14
You really believe that???? Bluesaph Mar 2022 #26
Some people just enjoy.swapping tall stories. Haggard Celine Mar 2022 #2
Some of the crazy talk is harmless liberalmediaaddict Mar 2022 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #5
I usually John Ludi Mar 2022 #6
Sometimes I just want to scream "Do you have to swallow EVERY... JHB Mar 2022 #7
I just pat them on the shoulder and tell them that their meds were forgotten this morning. 634-5789 Mar 2022 #8
I like what posts 1and 2 suggested Hav Mar 2022 #9
Simple question before walking away... sanatanadharma Mar 2022 #10
I think it would fun to respond to that with your own wild conspiracy theories. betsuni Mar 2022 #11
I ask them their name and ... Whiskeytide Mar 2022 #12
first question I ask onethatcares Mar 2022 #13
First question I have always asked is "how do you know?". GoodRaisin Mar 2022 #15
This RobinA Mar 2022 #25
Yes, GoodRaisin Mar 2022 #30
Laugh at them and ask if they really believe that? Really? FSogol Mar 2022 #16
"Lay off the crazy pills, pal" bif Mar 2022 #17
Treat them like a child... Ohio Joe Mar 2022 #18
I tell them that they are obviously being controlled by microchips implanted... NNadir Mar 2022 #19
You must think much more highly of the Democrats than I do ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Mar 2022 #20
I ask them questions until they begin contradicting themselves. Midnight Writer Mar 2022 #21
Sometimes the words "f#*king moron" slips out before I can stop it. Hotler Mar 2022 #22
Roll eyes and walk away. MineralMan Mar 2022 #23
I ask them "Why?" They usually can't explain. NameAlreadyTaken Mar 2022 #24
Control RobinA Mar 2022 #28
+1, good listening technique and let them hear their own stupidity. uponit7771 Mar 2022 #32
"That's just what the reptilians from Sirius WANT you to believe!" Fozzledick Mar 2022 #27
I don't Spider Jerusalem Mar 2022 #29
On the rare occasions wwhen I do encounter one (other than my whackworld niyad Mar 2022 #31
You can't. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2022 #33

LuckyCharms

(17,469 posts)
1. 2 steps:
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 03:43 AM
Mar 2022

1) Say "That's not true. You should know better".

If they continue:

2) Give them a look and say seriously "Are you OK"?

No sense in wasting any energy by going further than that. I used to debate them, but found that's totally useless.

liberalmediaaddict

(778 posts)
3. Definitely not worth debating them
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 04:00 AM
Mar 2022

Occasionally I will slip up and say "That's not true."

I've been told I give people an "are you out of your mind?" look when they bring up some outrageous conspiracy.
Mainly I want to say: "Come on. You're too smart to believe that nonsense. Do a fact check on Google."
But sadly some people aren't into critical thinking and don't even trust fact checking sites like Snopes.


Septua

(2,264 posts)
14. Fact check with Google
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 08:51 AM
Mar 2022

I did that with one guy. He doesn't trust Google. People search for what they want to hear and with sources like Trump, Lindell, Hannity, Carlson, MTG, Bannon etc they don't have search much to find it.

Bluesaph

(720 posts)
26. You really believe that????
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:53 AM
Mar 2022

With an astonished look on my face!

Then shake my head and say, “WOW! I expected you of all people to demand better proof for outlandish stories!”

If it’s a stranger, just the first line.

Usually with the first one the person back tracks really quick!

Haggard Celine

(16,862 posts)
2. Some people just enjoy.swapping tall stories.
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 03:56 AM
Mar 2022

Reality isn't interesting enough for them, so they look to more intricate explanations for events. Some people are just downright gullible. I used to have a friend who was a big Alex Jones fan. I guess he still is; I haven't spoken to him for a few years. When Jones was on YouTube, Brandon would come over to my apartment and we would smoke pot and watch what he was screaming about for that day. It was a good high. I used to sit there and laugh and laugh at how Alex would scream and do those little voices to simulate what the evil people were planning for us. Brandon believed all of it. Eventually, YouTube dropped Alex Jones, so there went our little fun time

Brandon used to say that people have the right to say whatever they want to, even if it's a lie. I said, "Brandon, why do you want to believe lies?" He didn't have a good answer for me. That's the question I have for those people. Why do they want to believe all that crazy shit? I guess it makes them feel like they're privy to special information, like they are in the know. They feel ignorant all the time when around educated people, so they want to feel like they're one-up over all of them. Anyway, that's what I figure, for what it's worth.

liberalmediaaddict

(778 posts)
4. Some of the crazy talk is harmless
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 04:08 AM
Mar 2022

But when they spread conspiracies about Covid vaccines and that Trump won the 2020 election and now that we have "biological weapons in Ukraine" that's incredibly dangerous.

Some conspiracy theories (The earth is flat) can be laughed at.
Conspiracy theories that cause violence and people to get sick and die needlessly are incredibly hard to stomach.

Especially when they repeat Fox News talking points verbatim. It's like, "think for yourself. You have a smart phone. Use it."


Response to liberalmediaaddict (Original post)

John Ludi

(589 posts)
6. I usually
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 05:06 AM
Mar 2022

back away from the mental crack pipe they are offering and make a graceful escape. Same thing with religious fanatics and people waxing messianic about bitcoin.

JHB

(37,163 posts)
7. Sometimes I just want to scream "Do you have to swallow EVERY...
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 05:57 AM
Mar 2022

...horseshit claim that comes down the pike? Fergawdsakkes, take a break and go halvsies for a little while; just bite on half of them."

634-5789

(4,175 posts)
8. I just pat them on the shoulder and tell them that their meds were forgotten this morning.
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 06:23 AM
Mar 2022

Surprisingly, they don't get mad, usually.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
9. I like what posts 1and 2 suggested
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 06:26 AM
Mar 2022

The problem with conspiracy theories is that they are designed in such a way that data against them is part of the conspiracy. How can you argue against QAnon bs when any proof against it is dismissed as signs of the deep state?
There are still idiots who believe Biden blackmailed Ukraine in front of journalists to fire the prosecutor supposedly investigating his son when in fact, Biden was representing the West's demands. This is a case where you could appeal to common sense.

Another approach depending on the claim is making them commit to stronger predictions or bets. For example, if they believe Trump will be reinstated, when will that happen and are they willing to put their money where their mouth is?

Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
12. I ask them their name and ...
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 07:02 AM
Mar 2022

… address, then ask where and when they heard that information and who else they have told. I then speak into my phone and say “this is DSQ17 to Brandon. I have moles in my garden and need an exterminator. Copy?”

GoodRaisin

(8,932 posts)
15. First question I have always asked is "how do you know?".
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 08:55 AM
Mar 2022

This general question will usually lead to bringing out that they haven’t a clue what they are talking about.

But, what I have found is that most people already have their beliefs established and won’t let go of them no matter how foolish you make them feel. So, I have pretty much given up on attempting to reason with them. It’s largely a waste of time and breath. In example, if I simply overhear a stranger make a stupid comment I ignore that stranger, if he wants to believe the earth is flat, fine, let him. If I’m in a social setting and directly confronted by an acquaintance with a line of bullshit, then I might engage, but just drop it and move on after a brief exchange - it makes me feel stupid just talking about it with someone who has been propagandized into believing nonsense. In a closer setting with friends/family I’ll have the conversation, but it still rarely changes their minds. People just tend to believe what they want to believe.

RobinA

(9,902 posts)
25. This
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:48 AM
Mar 2022

I ask questions in a neutral tone of voice, attempting to drill down into the subject. It's true, you don't usually get past the second question. True idiocy, like flat earth, I just don't discuss. Those people just dismiss any proof available. Maybe I will ask why anybody would do such a thing, for example chemtrails, and then noodle about that until it gets too ridiculous.

I don't really try to reason, I ask them to reason. One thing I won't do is discuss Trump with people who don't think he's the lowest form of humanity and an embarrassment as president. With Trump, you either get it or you don't. If you don't, nothing I can say will change your mind.

GoodRaisin

(8,932 posts)
30. Yes,
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 12:25 PM
Mar 2022

Someone espousing Trump is the elephant in the room for me, and I have cleared those elephants out of my rooms a good long time ago. Can’t listen to it. Can’t tolerate even being around the person knowing what they believe in, even when their mouth is closed. They disgust me.

FSogol

(45,570 posts)
16. Laugh at them and ask if they really believe that? Really?
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 08:56 AM
Mar 2022

Other good responses:

I'd never say something like that. Everyone would think I was nuts.
It's amazing what some people believe these days.
That doesn't make any sense.
Are you feeling well?
Yeah, a lot of people fall that nonsense.
Is this country getting dumber or just the republicans?
Do you have enough tin foil?
That makes Bigfoot and little green men seem credible.

bif

(22,791 posts)
17. "Lay off the crazy pills, pal"
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 08:58 AM
Mar 2022

I usually post this when I see something wacko on social media like IG. It tends to rile them up, which is my intention.

Ohio Joe

(21,771 posts)
18. Treat them like a child...
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 09:08 AM
Mar 2022

Make them explain in detail how whatever they believe happened or works. Don’t let them flip to a new topic, keep digging till they realize how stupid they sound.

NNadir

(33,580 posts)
19. I tell them that they are obviously being controlled by microchips implanted...
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 09:57 AM
Mar 2022

...by KGB agents aligned with Putin.

20. You must think much more highly of the Democrats than I do ...
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 09:58 AM
Mar 2022

... if you believe that they can manage such a vast conspiracy and keep it from most of us.

To be able to manipulate world events in such a way would be an unprecedented achievement.

You really must respect their intelligence and ability to plan and manage such a broad reaching successful operation.

Wow.

Hotler

(11,470 posts)
22. Sometimes the words "f#*king moron" slips out before I can stop it.
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:18 AM
Mar 2022

Other times it's fun to turn the crazy around on them. Go into actor mode and play one of them. Put on a serious face and take the crazy further to the right and deeper into conspiracy land, go to the dark. Then watch their face turn when they realize that you're more whacked than they are. It's like all the air in the room had been sucked out.

Most of the time if I'm out and about and not with friends I like to stay away from people so as not to give them a chance to to walk up and start their shit.

Whack jobs and repugs will let themselves be known. They can't help it. It's been my experience that you can be minding your own business and they will walk up just to lay some Joe Biden hate etc. on you.

NameAlreadyTaken

(982 posts)
24. I ask them "Why?" They usually can't explain.
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:30 AM
Mar 2022

My neighbor was going on and on about the Covid virus being created in a lab in Wuhan. I asked her why they would do such a thing. She just stumbled on and couldn't really come up with an answer. Just something vague about "control." If you try to dig below the superficial statement of the conspiracy and ask thrm to explain the reasons, they fall apart.

RobinA

(9,902 posts)
28. Control
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:57 AM
Mar 2022

is always a biggie with these people. Government wants to control us sheeple by making us think the Earth is round. If I ever discussed this stupid subject, I would next ask them why government even cares what we think the shape of the Earth is. I have gone to bat against chemtrails. It usually ends with some all purpose comeback about government not wanting us to know what they are doing, so no one can really explain them. They have this incredible fear of being controlled by government.

niyad

(113,701 posts)
31. On the rare occasions wwhen I do encounter one (other than my whackworld
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 12:32 PM
Mar 2022

connection), I say, "There is an old saying that three people can keep a secret, provided two of them are dead" and walk away.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
33. You can't.
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 12:46 PM
Mar 2022

Conspiracy theories are by nature paranoid fantasies. They are constructed around the premise that any information contradicting the conclusion is part of the conspiracy and therefore cannot be trusted.

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