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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 11:43 AM Oct 2012

Why I Am Pro-Life By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

HARD-LINE conservatives have gone to new extremes lately in opposing abortion. Last week, Richard Mourdock, the Tea Party-backed Republican Senate candidate in Indiana, declared during a debate that he was against abortion even in the event of rape because after much thought he “came to realize that life is that gift from God. And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.” That came on the heels of the Tea Party-backed Republican Representative Joe Walsh of Illinois saying after a recent debate that he opposed abortion even in cases where the life of the mother is in danger, because “with modern technology and science, you can’t find one instance” in which a woman would not survive without an abortion. “Health of the mother has become a tool for abortions anytime, for any reason,” Walsh said. That came in the wake of the Senate hopeful in Missouri, Representative Todd Akin, remarking that pregnancy as a result of “legitimate rape” is rare because “the female body has ways to try and shut that whole thing down.”

These were not slips of the tongue. These are the authentic voices of an ever-more-assertive far-right Republican base that is intent on using uncompromising positions on abortion to not only unseat more centrist Republicans — Mourdock defeated the moderate Republican Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana in the primary — but to overturn the mainstream consensus in America on this issue. That consensus says that those who choose to oppose abortion in their own lives for reasons of faith or philosophy should be respected, but those women who want to make a different personal choice over what happens with their own bodies should be respected, and have the legal protection to do so, as well.

But judging from the unscientific — borderline crazy — statements opposing abortion that we’re hearing lately, there is reason to believe that this delicate balance could be threatened if Mitt Romney and Representative Paul Ryan, and their even more extreme allies, get elected. So to those who want to protect a woman’s right to control what happens with her own body, let me offer just one piece of advice: to name something is to own it. If you can name an issue, you can own the issue. And we must stop letting Republicans name themselves “pro-life” and Democrats as “pro-choice.” It is a huge distortion.

In my world, you don’t get to call yourself “pro-life” and be against common-sense gun control — like banning public access to the kind of semiautomatic assault rifle, designed for warfare, that was used recently in a Colorado theater. You don’t get to call yourself “pro-life” and want to shut down the Environmental Protection Agency, which ensures clean air and clean water, prevents childhood asthma, preserves biodiversity and combats climate change that could disrupt every life on the planet. You don’t get to call yourself “pro-life” and oppose programs like Head Start that provide basic education, health and nutrition for the most disadvantaged children. You can call yourself a “pro-conception-to-birth, indifferent-to-life conservative.” I will never refer to someone who pickets Planned Parenthood but lobbies against common-sense gun laws as “pro-life.”

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Why I Am Pro-Life By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Oct 2012 OP
Excellent!! I just posted the link to my facebook. Thanks. n/t lamp_shade Oct 2012 #1
Being opposed to murder is 'Pro-Life'... The Doctor. Oct 2012 #2
Gotta love Thomas Friedman...he's got a way with words LeftInTX Oct 2012 #3
I think of the anti-choice folks as "zygotiots." It's a pathology. TahitiNut Oct 2012 #4
And I can tell you exactly how the "zygotiots" would respond to Friedman. AngryOldDem Oct 2012 #9
Right. I see it as the exact opposite of that. Let's start by taking care of all the people already Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #17
Abortion Derangement Syndrome eShirl Oct 2012 #19
Wow. I didn't know ol' Thomas had it in him! rhiannon55 Oct 2012 #5
The gestation period for humans is one and a half Friedman Units Fumesucker Oct 2012 #6
"Pro-Life" name stolen from anti-death penalty groups of 100 years ago. ErikJ Oct 2012 #7
Never thought I'd ever applaud anything written by Thomas "The Mustache of Understanding" Friedman, scarletwoman Oct 2012 #8
Actually he was for increasing MPG standards longer than anyone else. ErikJ Oct 2012 #11
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2012 #10
These people are against laws based on religious teachings if it is Sharia law but Jumping John Oct 2012 #12
American Taliban ErikJ Oct 2012 #14
I always ask people who call themselves "pro-life" the following: DFW Oct 2012 #13
They are agsainst contraception and abortion yet ErikJ Oct 2012 #15
Excellent + Kick underseasurveyor Oct 2012 #16
Not 'pro-life': "people whose sanctity for life begins at conception and ends at birth." pampango Oct 2012 #18
'the most “pro-life” politician in America is New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg' - WUT??? Zalatix Oct 2012 #20
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #21
Do you have a link to this fertility website? arcane1 Oct 2012 #22
 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
2. Being opposed to murder is 'Pro-Life'...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 12:43 PM
Oct 2012

Being against a given piece of gun legislation does not make someone 'Pro-Death'.

Other than that small fallacy, I agree with him entirely.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
9. And I can tell you exactly how the "zygotiots" would respond to Friedman.
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:16 PM
Oct 2012

I know, because I have basically made the same argument, and here is the reply I've gotten from those who claim to be God-fearing and righteous in this fight:

Until the babies in the womb are respected and allowed to live, nothing else matters. Respect for life begins in the womb, and everything else will just have to wait until we all agree on that point. Once abortion is banned, the fruits of that will extend to everything else, and we will be living in earthly paradise. Or, at best, they say that other life issues are basically someone else's problem, never mind the fact what Christ Himself commanded ALL of us to do for the least among us. (I seem to recall that commandment as being pretty much nonnegotiable, but they see it differently.)

In other words: Ban abortion, and every world ill will suddenly take care of itself.

"Zygotiots" is the **perfect** description of these myopic, stupid people. They do the most harm to the true "pro-life" movement with their obvious unconcern for any other life issue, be it poverty or the death penalty, or access to basic health care. Their apparent, total indifference to the already-born is truly shocking and frightening. I often have an image when I read their crap of someone stepping over a poor, homeless, or starving person as they march their way to a clinic.

And they can all go straight to hell, as far as I'm concerned. They make me sick.


Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
17. Right. I see it as the exact opposite of that. Let's start by taking care of all the people already
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 05:32 AM
Oct 2012

out of the womb. Let's take care of the basic human needs of those who are among us. Once we get that straightened out, we can talk about the zygotes.

rhiannon55

(2,671 posts)
5. Wow. I didn't know ol' Thomas had it in him!
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 01:51 PM
Oct 2012

He has said some pretty stupid things in the past. I seem to recall him being a cheerleader for the attack on Iraq, for example. But with this article, he has partially redeemed himself.

K&R!!!!

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
7. "Pro-Life" name stolen from anti-death penalty groups of 100 years ago.
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 01:53 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Thom Hartmann said Pro-life was the name used for anti-death penalty organization 100 years ago. Today's anti-choice co-opted it in the 60's/70's. I tried googling it but couldnt find much. Probably been scrubbed from the internet by RW ers. GOod we have people like Thom Hartmann to actually remember the past as the internet slowly loses our history. m

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
8. Never thought I'd ever applaud anything written by Thomas "The Mustache of Understanding" Friedman,
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:02 PM
Oct 2012

but he did all right on this one.

Just goes to show how intolerably batshit crazy the Republicans how become - even frikkin' Thomas Friedman has been shocked into writing something sensible.

sw

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
11. Actually he was for increasing MPG standards longer than anyone else.
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:28 PM
Oct 2012

I used to love his anti-SUV opeds about increasing gas mileage. Seems like he was the only one hitting it hard. If we did what he said we wouldnt even have had to be in the mid-east -at all.

 

Jumping John

(930 posts)
12. These people are against laws based on religious teachings if it is Sharia law but
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:32 PM
Oct 2012

are OK with such laws if it is based on the teachings of their Christian religion.

DFW

(54,417 posts)
13. I always ask people who call themselves "pro-life" the following:
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:35 PM
Oct 2012

Do you eat meat?
Do you favor retaining the death penalty?

I have YET to meet ONE person describing themselves as "pro-life" who has answered "no" to both questions.

Once they answer "yes" to one of the two questions, I say, "then you are NOT pro-life. You are just against abortion rights."

They usually get angry, sometimes very angry.

I do not care.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
15. They are agsainst contraception and abortion yet
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:11 PM
Oct 2012

yet support Rreopublicans who want to cut food stamps for single mothers. Satan loves RW Christiaans.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
20. 'the most “pro-life” politician in America is New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg' - WUT???
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:14 AM
Oct 2012

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And he supports Scott Brown, too.

The dude is a Plutocrat. With what he hails as his own army. With a track record of beating the hell out of protesters.

Bad example, Mr. Friedman. Bad example.

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