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Genocide is happening... (Original Post) pbmus Mar 2022 OP
Hitler, Stalin, Mao... nycbos Mar 2022 #1
Pol Pot n/t katusha Mar 2022 #2
Yup absolutely nycbos Mar 2022 #3
It's okay though because it's not us. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #4
Sadly Calculating Mar 2022 #6
US. They're plotting daily to steal democracy. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #9
Russian assets infest America I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #11
A very recent thread said that comparisons to the Holocaust are not allowed Tetrachloride Mar 2022 #5
New rule: genocide is allowed if the perpetrator has nuclear weapons. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #7
WINNER! onecaliberal Mar 2022 #10
Ding! Bettie Mar 2022 #13
Better question: Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #14
Estonia too.... Bettie Mar 2022 #15
Absolutely. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #20
Are you ready to send yours or others children to die in WWW3? Elessar Zappa Mar 2022 #17
I guess it is easy to say it's cool for Bettie Mar 2022 #18
It's not cool for Putin to do any of what he's doing. Elessar Zappa Mar 2022 #19
Isolationists felt the same way in WWII- do you know what the name of their movement was called? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #22
Are you ready for your children and others to live under Putin's tyranny & die in Putin's genocide? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #21
Genocide Zeitghost Mar 2022 #8
Than call it another holodomor I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #12
A genocide is happening in China, but few care... PoliticAverse Mar 2022 #16
I'm sure some might also want world war over Xinjiang. David__77 Mar 2022 #23

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
6. Sadly
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 07:39 PM
Mar 2022

There are people who still don't realize that democracy is under attack worldwide. If Russia succeeds at taking Ukraine, it will serve as an example for other authoritarian regimes. Who will be next if Ukraine falls?

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
11. Russian assets infest America
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 07:50 PM
Mar 2022

And our government
and media stirring up their bully abuser base.

Yes the autocrats of the world hate democracy.

Tetrachloride

(7,839 posts)
5. A very recent thread said that comparisons to the Holocaust are not allowed
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 07:37 PM
Mar 2022

, in essence.

( I can’t find the exact thread at this time on my little phone)

I disagree. The time to say genocide or any comparison to the Holocaust is before it happens again or while it is happening.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
13. Ding!
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 07:57 PM
Mar 2022

That's the answer right there.

Even if people quibble with the word choice, what is happening is wrong, but according to some, it's cool because Putin threatens that he will use nuclear weapons.

So, when he attacks a NATO country, will he suddenly not have them anymore?

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
14. Better question:
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 09:20 PM
Mar 2022

Better question: when Putin attacks NATO, will the fear of his nukes that currently prevents NATO from defending Ukraine suddenly go away?

The people of Latvia really want to know the answer; signs aren’t looking good…

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
15. Estonia too....
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 10:12 PM
Mar 2022

because he will come back for another bite, once he's sure that NATO won't act as long as he keeps threatening.

Elessar Zappa

(13,975 posts)
17. Are you ready to send yours or others children to die in WWW3?
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 10:33 PM
Mar 2022

I’m certainly not. I trust Biden and other world leaders to make decisions that won’t put the world at risk for Armageddon.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
18. I guess it is easy to say it's cool for
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 11:07 PM
Mar 2022

Putin to take European countries with impunity, since we're across an ocean from him.

Elessar Zappa

(13,975 posts)
19. It's not cool for Putin to do any of what he's doing.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 11:20 PM
Mar 2022

But the response must be measured. We’re dealing with a country that has a couple of thousand nukes that could send the world into a nuclear winter where billions would die. Ukraine is getting and will continue to get material support from the West. I’m not going to call for American mothers to sacrifice their sons for this war.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
22. Isolationists felt the same way in WWII- do you know what the name of their movement was called?
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 12:08 AM
Mar 2022
AMERICA FIRST

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
21. Are you ready for your children and others to live under Putin's tyranny & die in Putin's genocide?
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 12:06 AM
Mar 2022

The west must fight Putin, now in Ukraine on their terms, or soon in a place and time and terms of Putin’s choosing.

Putin is only successful (that is, remains in power) as long as the west remains afraid of him using nukes. Once the west overcomes that fear, and wagers that enough Russians in the nuclear chain of command will refuse to carry out Putin’s orders to launch nuclear strikes, only then will Putin’s genocide be stopped. If The Russians love their children as much as everyone else does, Putin’s order to start WWIII will not be obeyed. If the west is too cowardly to take the risk, then we still get a slow motion WWIII, maybe without nuclear war, but with plenty of death and suffering.

If cowardice wins, prepare to sacrifice the children of the Baltics, perhaps Poland, Slovakia and other countries Putin will seize if he is not stopped in Ukraine. The west doesn’t have the stomach nor stamina to sustain sanctions for much longer (Hungary, Italy and Germany are already balking at extending/increasing sanctions), and dictators around the world are watching with great interest to see the next steps the west takes.

The fear that Putin might use nuclear weapons will not swiftly evaporate if the mythical, magical Article Five is invoked by an invaded NATO nation. No, if the west’s fear of WWIII is not overcome now, with Ukraine, then Putin will seize the Baltics with as much ease as Hitler took the Sudetenland. If Trump is reinstalled in the White House, he may even give Putin written permission to do so, just like Neville Chamberlain did with Hitler.

The choice isn’t whether or not to fight Putin, only where and when.

The world will have to face Putin’s threat of Armageddon, stare it unflinchingly in the face, and see if humanity prevails in avoiding WWIII.

As long as Putin remains in power, it cannot be avoided, only delayed for a little while.

Zeitghost

(3,858 posts)
8. Genocide
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 07:40 PM
Mar 2022

Is not the targeting of key individuals and it is not the targeting of civilians. I personally know people who escaped genocide, I am related to hundreds who did not.

There are plenty of horrible monikers for Putin and his terrible crimes. Every terrible war is not genocide.

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