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BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 08:43 PM Mar 2022

One Russian general got this completely right

Problem is he’s retired:

In January, the head of a group of serving and retired Russian military officers declared that invading Ukraine would be “pointless and extremely dangerous.” It would kill thousands, he said, make Russians and Ukrainians enemies for life, risk a war with NATO and threaten “the existence of Russia itself as a state.”

To many Russians, that seemed like a far-fetched scenario, since few imagined that an invasion of Ukraine was really possible. But two months later, as Russia’s advance stalls in Ukraine, the prophecy looms large. Reached by phone this week, the retired general who authored the declaration, Leonid Ivashov, said he stood by it, though he could not speak freely given Russia’s wartime censorship: “I do not disavow what I said.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/world/europe/putin-russia-military-planning.html
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One Russian general got this completely right (Original Post) BeyondGeography Mar 2022 OP
Invasions have consequences. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2022 #1
👍 Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #2
Yup. We learned that lesson in Iraq. Martin68 Mar 2022 #3
Did we? Random Boomer Mar 2022 #6
Sure we did. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #7
Putin is already wishing he had stopped when the price of oil hit $100 L. Coyote Mar 2022 #4
No, he's on a mission from God. maxsolomon Mar 2022 #9
When he made that speech in Moscow... druidity33 Mar 2022 #10
Frankly DENVERPOPS Mar 2022 #5
Some of them have. Apparently the head of the military has been missing for weeks. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #8

OAITW r.2.0

(24,339 posts)
1. Invasions have consequences.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 08:48 PM
Mar 2022

The Russian people, once again, are living the reality of having megalomaniacs running their country. I miss Gorbachev.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. Sure we did.
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 01:58 PM
Mar 2022

We learned it in the Bay Of Pigs.
We learned it in Viet Nam.
We learned it in Afghanistan.
We learned it in Iraq.

We love learning.

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
9. No, he's on a mission from God.
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 02:10 PM
Mar 2022

He really believes his Revanchist bullshit. He believes he will restore glory to Russia.

Instead, he has ensured it will struggle economically for decades.

druidity33

(6,445 posts)
10. When he made that speech in Moscow...
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 08:42 PM
Mar 2022

he was wearing a $10,000 puffy coat. Did you see that? Some fancy designer duds. I don't believe he is in it for the "Revanchist vision"... it's the money man. He wants it to continue to be ALL HIS... and maybe some of his close friends... who are of course very loyal.



lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
8. Some of them have. Apparently the head of the military has been missing for weeks.
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 02:00 PM
Mar 2022

Many have been killed in Ukraine; unclear how many were fragged.
Putin has fired or arrested many generals and intel chiefs.

The purge has only begun.

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