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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 03:24 AM Mar 2022

Paul Manafort Denied Flight To Dubai Over Revoked Passport

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/knewz-exclusive-paul-manafort-denied-flight-to-dubai-over-revoked-passport/ar-AAVnzeR?ocid=msedgntp

Former Donald Trump presidential campaign chair and once-convicted felon Paul Manafort was removed from a Miami flight bound for Dubai on March 20, officials confirmed.

Manafort was convicted in federal court of tax and bank fraud and ordered to serve a term in prison. He was released in May 2020 and pardoned by Trump before he left office in December 2020.

Officials with Miami-Dade police confirmed to Knewz.com that Manafort was denied travel by the Customs and Bureau Protection at Miami International Airport. Police said he could not take the flight and his U.S. Passport was revoked.

Miami-Dade police stressed they were not involved in the situation and there was no further incident from his removal.
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Paul Manafort Denied Flight To Dubai Over Revoked Passport (Original Post) steve2470 Mar 2022 OP
Dug this 2017 GQ article on him. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2022 #1
Symptomatic of lots of money laundering, I would think. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #6
Awwww. ETTD. Hekate Mar 2022 #2
Wasn't he a Russian agent? Baitball Blogger Mar 2022 #3
Yes, but he learned to low ball and high ball his wealth, True Blue American Mar 2022 #5
How did he believe he was going to board the plane? no_hypocrisy Mar 2022 #4
Oddly, the article says he was removed from the flight. How did he board? yardwork Mar 2022 #8
Because the story is being misinterpreted Effete Snob Mar 2022 #10
It looks to me like it might have been revoked "in real time" when DOJ realized he was fleeing. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #16
It's interesting Effete Snob Mar 2022 #18
Well... Mike Nelson Mar 2022 #7
Manafort had a passport PJMcK Mar 2022 #9
Same as getting your license suspended or revoked Effete Snob Mar 2022 #11
Not exactly. brooklynite Mar 2022 #13
Yes, he had a passport Effete Snob Mar 2022 #24
But it should have been flagged at check-in. brooklynite Mar 2022 #25
That is not connected to the State Department Effete Snob Mar 2022 #28
I would approve Manafort for travel to one place only. maxrandb Mar 2022 #12
Perfect. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #15
Whoa.....something is up. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #14
Yes, we all hope. Duppers Mar 2022 #17
Fingers Crossed! nt. BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #19
The word is Larissa Mar 2022 #20
OMG. I must have ESP. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #21
He's obviouosly a flight risk Wednesdays Mar 2022 #22
He must have missed the last Oligarch Express flight back to Mother Russia. Effing traitor. nt Cognitive_Resonance Mar 2022 #23
no extradition treaty with Dubai Grasswire2 Mar 2022 #26
Here's what Peter Strzok has to say about this Grasswire2 Mar 2022 #27
Pall, I beg your pardon, but. HAHAHAHAHAHA... czarjak Mar 2022 #29
Why would he be going to Dubai? kentuck Mar 2022 #30

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,110 posts)
1. Dug this 2017 GQ article on him.
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 03:36 AM
Mar 2022
"New court documents from Manafort's bail hearing go on to note that the man has developed a curious habit of gaining and losing tens of millions of dollars when stating his net worth, depending on which loan application he happened to be filling out at that particular moment. In August of last year—while he was serving as Trump's campaign manager—Manafort variously listed his assets at $63 million and $28 million, both of which are down considerably from the $136 million figure he had floated less than six months earlier. His still-unverified assertions don't prove anything by themselves, of course, but they are almost certainly causing the lawyers tasked with defending him against allegations of financial crime to develop a considerable collective headache."


How many thousands do this same maneuver?
https://www.gq.com/story/paul-manafort-embarrassing-dad

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
5. Yes, but he learned to low ball and high ball his wealth,
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 05:31 AM
Mar 2022

Just like Trump.

One thing I know, you have to be a sleazy liar like Mike DeWine to be a Republican. The Ohio State House is so full of corruption I have to wonder how Mike faces his 8 children.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
10. Because the story is being misinterpreted
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 08:35 AM
Mar 2022

He obviously HAS a passport.

It has been revoked. In other words, the passport which he physically possesses is not valid.

That would not be known to airline staff.

However, when you travel internationally, you’ll notice that the airline tries to get your passport number as early in the process as they can. That is because the information - the passport numbers, etc. - is then electronically provided to CBP.

Obviously, he put off giving them the data as long as he could and as close to the flight take off as he could, so they wouldn’t catch it in time.

He nearly succeeded.

TLDR - the airline staff can see that you have a passport. The have no way of knowing it is valid.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. It looks to me like it might have been revoked "in real time" when DOJ realized he was fleeing.
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 10:13 AM
Mar 2022

Something is up.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
18. It's interesting
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 10:59 AM
Mar 2022

There's no reason for his passport to remain revoked from his prior pardoned conviction unless it was an administrative oversight of some kind (or unless he needed to re-apply).

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
7. Well...
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 07:55 AM
Mar 2022

... I know the rules about passports... but, as long as Paul Manifort wants to LEAVE the USA, I thing we should bend them. It's his RETURN that we should make a problem!

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
9. Manafort had a passport
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 08:18 AM
Mar 2022

This is from the linked article:

Officials with Miami-Dade police confirmed to Knewz.com that Manafort was denied travel by the Customs and Bureau Protection at Miami International Airport. Police said he could not take the flight and his U.S. Passport was revoked.

If Manafort was trying to get on an international flight, he would have had to present his passport at the TSA checkpoint and then again at the gate. Otherwise, he would have been turned away.

What's surprising to me is that Manafort still had a passport. I guess he got to keep it after Trump (illegally) pardoned him.

I'm glad Manafort spent some time in prison. He's lost much of his wealth and his behavior has fractured his family. All he probably has left is the money he's hidden overseas so I'm glad the authorities are keeping him in the U.S.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
11. Same as getting your license suspended or revoked
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 08:40 AM
Mar 2022

CBP gets an electronic manifest from the airline, and the fact that his passport is invalid popped up, barely in time.

The passport was not valid, but he still had the physical item.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
13. Not exactly.
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 08:54 AM
Mar 2022

He would have had to present his passport at check-in. In which case he shouldn't have been issued a boarding pass to get on the plane.

TSA only requires some form of Government ID AND a valid boarding pass.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
24. Yes, he had a passport
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 11:22 AM
Mar 2022

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-03-23/trump-adviser-manafort-removed-from-plane-for-revoked-passport

Former Trump advisor Paul Manafort was removed from a plane at Miami International Airport before it took off for Dubai because he carried a revoked passport, officials said Wednesday.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
25. But it should have been flagged at check-in.
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 11:31 AM
Mar 2022

When you check in for your international flights, you passport is swiped into the terminal. Should have popped up as revoked, the same way a name would pop up from the no-fly list.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
28. That is not connected to the State Department
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 12:58 PM
Mar 2022

That swipe captures the data from the Passport. That's why the front page has the printing formatted that way.

All that is happening with that swipe is that the airline is capturing the data. They have NO IDEA whether that passport might be revoked.

Then, they take that data, put it into the electronic manifest that is provided to CBP. After the data is provided to CBP, they have access to systems that can check the validity of the data.

The no-fly list works differently and doesn't run on passport numbers since, obviously, that would make zero sense given that a passport is not required for domestic air travel anyway. Your name was run against the no-fly list before you were issued your boarding pass.

It's like saying that the bar checks your driver's license on the way in. Yeah, sure, you have a license and it has a birthdate. Whether the state will let you drive a car with it is not their problem.

The airline has a duty to collect the data and provide it to CBP. The airline also wants to avoid fines and costs at the other end of having delivered you somewhere you can't enter and having to fly your ass back. But, no, airlines cannot determine the validity of a passport.

I encountered this type of misunderstanding in consulting work for a company that processes a lot of personal data. A government regulator had wanted to know why the company didn't require government ID like driver's licenses, etc.. The simple answer is that a private company has no way of validating a driver's license with any of the zillion jurisdictions that might issue one.

I'm betting that Manafort simply didn't get a new passport after his old one was revoked, and didn't realize he had to. Having been pardoned of the crimes of which he was convicted, there is no legal bar to his getting one. Also, if it had been revoked after the pardon, he would know that, since there aren't "secret passport revocations".

maxrandb

(15,320 posts)
12. I would approve Manafort for travel to one place only.
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 08:52 AM
Mar 2022

Mariupal.

He should spend the rest of his miserable life seeing what he and Donnie Dipshit unleashed on Ukraine.

Every last one of those fucksticks...Manafort, Rudy, Donnie Dipshit, Barr, Flynn, Stone and EVERY GOP SENATOR THAT VOTED TO ACQUIT should be given a one-way ticket.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. Whoa.....something is up.
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 10:10 AM
Mar 2022

He apparently got wind of something and tried to flee. But thank goodness sharp eyes were on the job. I think he's Manafucked now. If DOJ is looking at him again, they are quite possibly looking at Trump. I hope.

Larissa

(790 posts)
20. The word is
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 11:04 AM
Mar 2022

From Occupy Dems tweet:

"BREAKING: Officials announce that they pulled ex-Trump campaign Chairman Paul Manafort from a plane and revoked his passport as he tried to flee to Dubai after the US Senate declared him “a grave national security threat” over his Russian ties." Manafort must have been in a hell of a hurry to leave the wife behind *and* his ostrich jacket.

I would have thought that Vlad would have given Manafort TFG's old room at the Kremlin.

Wednesdays

(17,342 posts)
22. He's obviouosly a flight risk
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 11:09 AM
Mar 2022

He needs to be detained. Else he'll try to flee again, and succeed. He's still got friends in high places to help him out.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
30. Why would he be going to Dubai?
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:08 AM
Mar 2022

Does he know someone there?

Was he carrying a message for someone there?

Was it just a stopover on his way to Russia?

It's a mystery.

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