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How did he even make it to the plane if his passport was revoked?
https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/23/paul-manafort-pulled-off-plane/
Paul Manafort Pulled Off Plane
March 23, 2022 at 10:55 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Or is this another one of those possible infractions of the law where a prosecutor has to peer into the soul of the perpetrator and determine whether he actually intended, deep in his heart of hearts, to commit a crime?
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)The Russians? Mohammed bonesaw's agents?
The fucker was up to no good, that's for sure.
tanyev
(42,552 posts)It stinketh to high heaven.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)meadowlander
(4,395 posts)Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)He was trying to flee the country.
SWBTATTReg
(22,114 posts)our time as it is.
WhiteTara
(29,705 posts)I'm hoping for his complete prison sentence.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,181 posts)He's left a lot of chaos, suffering and corruption in his wake and I don't think that should be left unchecked.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He needs to be interrogated until he can't speak anymore. Then jailed forever.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Obviously to meet with all the Oligarchs who have been flying there the past two weeks.
So, I care, and so should you and any other thinking person.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)about Manafort like no one else!
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obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Bribe? It's possible, especially at MIA.
getagrip_already
(14,742 posts)It's possible to have more than one passport, but like drivers licenses, they aren't valid when revoked.
Of course, if it was revoked he would have been notified to surrender all passports in his possession.
So he knowingly did not surrender a passport, and then tried to use it to leave the country.
Probably a fistful of laws broken there.
But you don't actually present your passport to customs to leave. You show it to the airline. It probably takes time to be uploaded and checked.
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getagrip_already
(14,742 posts)He is not guilty of any federal crimes before his pardon as a result. He hasn't been charged with any since.
So why was his passport revoked? Under what grounds?
Makes you wonder.......
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getagrip_already
(14,742 posts)You have the same freedoms as everyone else.
There are a limited number of reasons a passport can be revoked, but being called a criminal on the internet isn't one of them.
The irs can have it revoked if you owe them money. A judge can order you to surrender your passport and not leave the country.
The state dept can revoke it if you have been indicted or convicted of a felony. But once pardoned, you are no longer guilty, though the conviction may still stand.
That may be why it was revoked. He had been convicted before his pardon. Or it could be a new indictment we don't know about.
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MineralMan
(146,288 posts)dumbcat
(2,120 posts)Is he under indictment or some other order not to leave the country? I'm honestly asking, I don't know. Why was his passport revoked? I guess it just bugs me that he was stopped from traveling when I don't know of any reason why he shouldn't be permitted to leave. Yeah, he's a nasty guy, but if not under some form of arrest I would prefer he just leave and not be permitted back.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Why would you know why?
As for why jail him, he will be a material witness in one of the most important cases that has ever been tried in this country.
Essentially what you don't know is irrelevant, it seems to me, just like it would be for me. Revocation of a US passport is serious business. It is not done on anyone's whim.
txwhitedove
(3,928 posts)In fact, the IRS can revoke a passport. He might have a physical paper passport, but the revocation is posted electronically for all to see. Manafort was convicted of tax fraud. Charges were tax fraud, tax evasion and money laundering. I would presume he's still under investigation for that and other crimes. We should not want him traveling around stirring up more trouble than he already has.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Once your passport has been revoked, you must go through a process to make it valid again. You can find a description of that process at the link below:
https://www.recordgone.com/articles/criminal-record-passport-revoked.htm
If your State Department appeal of the revocation is not approved, you can still sue in Federal Court to have it reinstated. Apparently, Paul Manafort has either not appealed the revocation and has not taken it to court, if his appeal was denied.
His passport was revoked upon his conviction, or before his trial. The Presidential pardon does not automatically undo that revocation, apparently. Without reinstatement, it remains invalid. So, there's your answer.
I Googled it.
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Varaddem
(432 posts)Brought him in to tell the truth about Russia? He was pardoned. If he lies he stays in prison.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)private or commercial flight. Anybody?
sboatcar
(415 posts)DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)Makes no sense at all. I thought he was still locked up?
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)He's been laying low and he doesn't want to get subpoena'd, I'm sure.
Now that he tried to use a revoked passport, he's got a new charge to worry about, and Chump can't pardon him.
Takket
(21,563 posts)TSA is supposed to check passports before you go through security
It's Miami.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)They likely revoked it in real time.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Yes.
Takket
(21,563 posts)James48
(4,435 posts)Thats Customs and Border Patrol.
Different agencies, different staff.
getagrip_already
(14,742 posts)When you check in. It probably takes a few minutes to get uploaded and cleared.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Sogo
(4,986 posts)Maybe the FBI intercepted the flight list.....I imagine they keep watch on flights to the Middle East....
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)Surely Trump would have let him use his private plane, or a Saudi prince could have stepped up...
lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)so he tried to sneak onto a commercial flight without the pilot knowing.
fierywoman
(7,683 posts)another name.
getagrip_already
(14,742 posts)That would take serious pull at the state department....
You can't forge a us passport. The rfid chip is encoded with biometric data and can be quickly compared with systems of record. They have to be issued.
Getting a new one under a false name would be really hard. You would need a lot of documentation the gov could verify.
Using someone else's passport who looks like you would also be difficult, though it might work to leave the country.
Getting a fake Russian passport might be easy, but there would be no record of him entering the country which would raise red flags.
I'm sure Russia could figure out a way, but this was a stupid man thinking he would get away with it.
fierywoman
(7,683 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And did that happen because of a sealed indictment?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)beaglelover
(3,469 posts)DFW
(54,370 posts)You DO need to show one at check-in, and again at the boarding gate. Im frankly surprised he was issued a boarding pass.
As for Dubai, once he had made it there, Manafort would probably have been welcomed with open arms by Dick Cheney and Halliburton, who moved their HQ there after Cheney left office.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)I wonder what his message was that he was carrying??
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)I wanna see him get pulled off.