Why was Manafort's passport revoked?

[Sanity Claws]

I have not seen a discussion on this. If there is one, please feel free to send me to the discussion.

1. The passport was revoked because of his conviction. Even though Trump had pardoned him, Manafort had not taken the steps required to un-revoke it after the pardon.
2. Was it revoked because of seriously delinquent tax debts?
3. Was it revoked as part of an ongoing investigation?

[bucolic_frolic]

1. Venona Project redux

This sort of stuff will be going on awhile. It's massive.

[Arazi]

2. New investigation imo. He's so crooked

And he was never fully investigated because Barr and #Traitor stymied it

[Effete Snob]

4. Can you recall the last time...

That someone had a passport revoked without notice on suspicion of a crime in a pending investigation?

Because that would be an obvious rights violation.

[Arazi]

8. He was on the plane. TSA let him thru which means it was valid

His passport obviously tolled some bell higher up and his passport was revoked within a very short span of time

The chips in the passports don’t lie (unless he was using something doctored). I don’t put anything past this scumbag

[Sanity Claws]

10. Was it a private plane?

If it was a private plane, maybe proper TSA rules were not followed in the initial boarding but caught later.
I'm just throwing stuff out there because this has me puzzled.

[Arazi]

11. Nope. Air Emirates iirc

I wonder if there was a warrant? According to post #5 , that would do it.

It may have been why Manafort was fleeing. Trying to outrun the feds?

[Effete Snob]

20. No.

You don’t need a passport to get through the TSA checkpoint.

You do need to provide your passport data to the airline. That is only a data collection step. The airline can’t tell if your passport is valid.

Before the plane flies, the airline provides an electronic manifest to the CBP with the passport data. The CBP then checks the data.

You will notice, for example, a LOT of times when you are making an international departure that some passengers get called to the desk and told to bring their passport. This is usually just before boarding starts.

Those are typically passengers who have made domestic connections to that airport, and have not yet had their passport information collected.

[Arazi]

27. On international flights you do. The CAT system is installed at every US airport I've been thru

Like I said I’ve never flown out of Miami but I’ve been thru multiple others.

Manafort’s revoked passport was picked up because it went thru the TSA CAT scanner, not because of unresolved ID/boarding pass issues.

[Effete Snob]

31. No

If you are on an international flight, you can still go through the TSA checkpoint with your driver's license.

Second, the TSA CAT scanner checks for internal authenticity and consistency of your flight document and ID document.

For example, the person operating the TSA CAT scanner can tell if your US driver's license has the scannable information that is consistent with (a) your name on the boarding pass and (b) the data printed on the driver's license.

What that terminal CANNOT do is to know whether your driver's license has been revoked for, say, drunk driving. It simply does not interface with the DMV's of all 50 states.

It also does not and CANNOT tell if a passport has been revoked.

Think about this for a second - how do you think foreign citizens get through TSA to catch their flights? I can assure you that there is no piece of equipment operated by a TSA employee which interfaces with the government of, say, Iceland, in order to determine whether an Icelander leaving the US has or has not had their passport revoked by Iceland.

[okaawhatever]

29. For some reason he has multiple US passports. Not supposed to, but that never stopped him from doing

anything

A footnote on p. 12 of the memo states:

“In a little more than the last ten years, Manafort has submitted ten United States passport applications on ten different occasions, indicative of his travel schedule. He currently has three United States passports with different numbers.”

https://www.govexec.com/oversight/2017/11/strange-case-paul-manaforts-multiple-us-passports/142250/

[lagomorph777]

35. Something is seriously broken.

[Effete Snob]

3. Most probably #1

He probably assumed it was valid after the pardon, and there was some administrative thing that needed to be done.

Neither 2 nor 3 will get your passport revoked without notice.

[IbogaProject]

5. I just looked up a list

Last edited Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:45 AM - Edit history (1)

Reasons for a USA passport can be revoked
Child support arrears
Sex tourism
Drug Trafficing alligations
And
"That passport may be revoked at any time with absolutely no notice or right to appeal. Your US passport may be revoked if you are charged with a felony, including tax evasion, money laundering (the government catchall these days), fraud, etc. You don't need to be convicted of a crime… just charged or even just subject to a warrant."

[Effete Snob]

32. You contradicted yourself

If you are charged with a crime, you have notice.

[IbogaProject]

34. You missed the open warrant part

Passports can be revoked for being on a terrorist watch list or being designated a "drug trafficer" or a "money launderer". The war on some drugs and the Patriot act have weakened due process.

I added quotes to part of my prior post as that sentence was copied from an offshore site, who I won't link to.

[Effete Snob]

37. Umm....

Yes, if there is a warrant for your arrest, that will certainly pop up.

You know what else will happen if there is an open warrant for your arrest and they find you? You'll get arrested.

What won't happen is that you will simply be prevented from boarding your plane.

So, you are suggesting that there is a warrant for Manafort's arrest, which is why his passport was revoked. But, for some reason, while he could have been arrested at his residence any time, when he popped up trying to board an airplane with an invalid passport, the authorities decided not to arrest him pursuant to the warrant?

Ok.

[Srkdqltr]

6. he probably thought he could brazen his way through. He is "special" so it wouldn't matter.

Until it did happen.

[Eugene]

7. Manafort's passport was revoked in 2017, when he was arrested.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/former-trump-campaign-chair-paul-manafort-blocked-flight-revoked-passp-rcna21218

He needed to apply for a new one.

[Arazi]

9. The TSA wouldn't have accepted it. It can't be more than 12 months past expiration

If you’re traveling with an expired license or passport you may still be able to fly. Acceptable forms of ID cannot be more than 12 months past the identified expiration date.

https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2018/08/02/four-tips-remember-when-checking-your-id-airport-security

Does Dubai require a visa? If so, how would he have gotten a visa stamp in an expired passport?

Edited to add that yes, you need a visa to travel to Dubai

[Phoenix61]

13. It didn't say his passport was expired but that it was revoked.

Just looking at it, it would have been fine, until they ran it then the revocation would show up.

[Arazi]

14. Then he wouldn't have gotten a Dubai visa or gotten thru TSA

They literally run your passport thru a scanner and the revocation would have shown up at the TSA check.

There certainly wouldn’t have been a few hours lag time. It would have been discovered immediately.

I’m wondering if he had a second secret passport

[Phoenix61]

15. Seems the initial report was inaccurate.

He wasn’t on the plane.
Paul Manafort stopped from boarding plane to UAE over revoked passport
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/23/politics/manafort-passport-revoked/index.html

[Arazi]

16. Thank you. That makes more sense

No way he made it thru the passport scan phase at TSA.

That report is interesting though. He had 3 active US passports - all with different numbers - when he was convicted. Things that make you go hmmmm…

[Phoenix61]

19. Yeah, I didn't get how he would have been on a plane.

When you may qualify for multiple US passports. “You need multiple visas on an ongoing basis because of frequent international travel. Example: you work for an international airline or a multinational company”
Although with Manafort I’d think it was something shady.

[IbogaProject]

36. Multiple passports isn't an issue

I vaguely recall people who travel in places like the middle east might have more than one so Arab countries and Israel stamps aren't in same book.

[Effete Snob]

18. You don't even need a passport to get through TSA

You can use your drivers license.

Also, the government of Dubai cannot confirm whether an unexpired US passport has been revoked.

[Phoenix61]

21. Thanks. I gave TSA my passport with my boarding pass but

now that I think about it I’m not sure I had to.

[Effete Snob]

22. They are only checking if the ID matches the boarding pass

[Arazi]

26. I've never flown internationally from Miami

But most airports have an international terminal (or concourse) where you do indeed get your passport scanned.

Manafort wasn’t stopped because his ID didn’t match his ticket. He was stopped because his passport was discovered to have been revoked by the TSA.

Edited to add a list of airports with the current CAT technology.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/practical-travel-safety-security-issues/1845206-new-tsa-credential-authentication-technology-id-scanners-no-boarding-pass-required.html

[Eugene]

28. TSA says, "You'll need your passport for international travel, ..."

American and Delta will not check you in without a valid passport book. They want proof of likely admission to the destination country before boarding, including any visa requirements or medical clearances. Carriers face substantial fines if a passenger is turned back.

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/frequently-asked-questions/do-i-need-real-id-if-im-flying-internationally

[Effete Snob]

30. Not relevant to what I said....

Yes, the airlines collect passport data, because they have to provide an electronic manifest to CBP before the plane leaves.

No, you don't need a passport to get through the TSA checkpoint.

I addressed these points upthread.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

17. Manafort was one of those multiple passport guys.

When he got in trouble in 2017 he had 3 active ones and applications in for 10 more.
You have to wonder if when they revoked the one in 2017 they revoked all the rest?
https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-tips/customs-immigration/how-to-get-multiple-passports

[Effete Snob]

24. There are valid reasons to have multiple passports

Some countries may not be happy with your visits to certain other countries.

For example, it used to be difficult to get into certain middle eastern countries if you had made visits to other middle eastern countries. Sometimes when they are flipping through your passport, they are looking at where else you had been.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

25. Yes. The article I linked to makes that same point.

Still, the 10 applications he had in progress seems especially suspicious.

[Effete Snob]

39. Where did you see 10 applications in process?

“In a little more than the last ten years, Manafort has submitted ten United States passport applications on ten different occasions, indicative of his travel schedule. He currently has three United States passports with different numbers.”

There are some countries which require an entire page onto which they glue their visa. You visit a couple of those and you are going to run out of pages pretty quick. Between that and one lost one, I "submitted three applications within ten years" and my international travel wasn't all that extensive.

But it doesn't say he has ten pending applications in progress.

[rockfordfile]

12. Ukraine should put him on trial

[Turbineguy]

23. We can export Jerry Springer shows.

But Manafort crosses the line.

[Deminpenn]

33. When Manafort was initially arrested, he was considered

a flight risk and had to turn in all his passports. Guessing he hasn't traveled outside the US since he was pardoned by Trump and perhaps assumed, wrongly, his old passport would now be valid again.

IIRC, the State Dept has said Manafort can apply for a new passport as he's been pardoned.

[Effete Snob]

38. Yep

That's the most likely explanation for what happened.

It's scary sometimes that people believe there are things like secret passport revocations (as distinct from the no-fly list).

There's thing Fifth Amendment thingie about liberty and due process...