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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Republicans didn't destroy themselves today, then America is over
Today, the mask came off.
Lindsey Graham, Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton and others, would have felt right at home in Germany of 1939, or in any pig sty of your choosing. Their display of racism, anti-feminism, and outright disrespect and contempt for another human being was beyond mind-blowing. It gave credence to the theory that there's no intelligent life on this planet.
If any Democrat ever treated another human being the way Judge Jackson was treated today by Republicans, none would be able to get elected to any office imaginable. Ever.
Of course, Republicans were talking to their base and not the woman they were verbally trying to smear with horrendous garbage. And therein is a snapshot of what today's Republican Party is. It's okay to be a racist. It's okay to be a bigot. It's okay to hate the "OTHER." It's okay to be a bully. It's okay to spit on someone because you have the power to spit on them. It's okay to be a total shit because millions of morons will love it and will vote for you.
The path these Republicans have taken holds no mysteries. We know where it will lead because they've passed every signpost that history has shown us to be deadly to human beings. But they don't give a rat's ass because they believe that we, the majority, can't do one fucking thing to stop their lust for power and the abuse of it. And they may be right.
Winning this November and in November of 2024 is more than a necessity. It's survival. If we lose, we may never again see another election in this country. America, our democracy and our freedoms could/might/will come to an end. That is exactly what the Republicans showed us yesterday and today. If you don't see that at this point, then I'll stop here because further words would be meaningless.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)AllTooEasy
(1,260 posts)Try New Zealand
Joinfortmill
(14,387 posts)NBachers
(17,081 posts)madaboutharry
(40,190 posts)They are deplorable.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,307 posts)kacekwl
(7,013 posts)completely.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)I do not mean to offend or suggest that racism is of no importance but many in the GOP actively engaged in a coup. They sought to forcibly overturn the election through intimidation and violence. The mere fact that numerous elected officials renounced the failed coup and then embraced the conspiracy immediatly after (with no challenge or backlash from republican voters) suggests that America is severely broken if not "over"
Look, I am not suggesting that the disgusting behavior by the GOP today is excusable in any way. Judge Jackson deserves respect. I simply think the ship has already sailed. If republicans don't care about sedition and treason, why the hell would they care about racism?
onecaliberal
(32,777 posts)There is NO THING they can do that would cross the line. Sure, they're turning on each other now, had they been successful and they damn near were it would be a different story. They will not stop trying until one of two things happens, they face consequences or they succeed. They will use any method or measure at their disposal as we have seen. A million people dead from COVID to name one.
KPN
(15,635 posts)they face consequences or they succeed.
Exactly! Which is why so many are anxious about whether those who have any power to do anything consequential will. As well as why there is so much skepticism among the DU crowd in light of Mueller, impeachment 1, impeachment 2
. and now fed district of NY.
onecaliberal
(32,777 posts)him accountable also shows a pattern of behavior. He seems like a smug piece of shit who knows he doesn't have to worry about ever facing consequences for his actions.
Evolve Dammit
(16,697 posts)JHB
(37,154 posts)... America is not over.
This message has been brought to you by the letter "'should' does not mean 'is'".
Cyrano
(15,027 posts)And although I have a different vision of what may lie ahead, I hope that what I foresee is wrong. After all, no sane person wants to live in some hell brought about by those who have no problem with human ignorance, maliciousness and cruelty.
Irish_Dem
(46,492 posts)There is no doubt our democracy is at risk. And it is quite possible the GOP will install their brand of fascism and autocracy.
Putin did very well for himself installing his puppets into high level office on the state and federal level.
JHB
(37,154 posts)We've never been closer to bringing about all the good stuff we this country claimed to be about but always fell short of.
THIS is the real "American exceptionalism". That we're about principles, not "blood and soil" bullshit. Without the principles we're just another empire, doomed to the fate of all history's empires. Americans have a way to make it different.
But to do that, we need to make it different.
The Republicans don't just "not want different", they actively want Confederacy 2.0.
Irish_Dem
(46,492 posts)It is now happening state by state. Also targeting women.
Once the GOP secures the voting apparatus, there may not be much we can do about it.
The GOP is hell bent on getting permanent power and white christian minority rule.
Edit to add: Americans feeling hopeless and unable to change anything will lead to apathy, just like in Russia.
Putin has been working on the US for decades and it certainly shows.
wnylib
(21,338 posts)are working to achieve in the American population. If we give in to it, then we hand them a victory without even fighting.
Let us take a lesson from Ukraine to never give up.
Irish_Dem
(46,492 posts)Never ever give up. Keep fighting.
Mr.Bill
(24,238 posts)And financial and could be provided to those who want to leave or join them, I would happily wave goodbye to them.
Irish_Dem
(46,492 posts)They can be as crazy as they want.
Get all the people out who want to live in a democracy.
Evolve Dammit
(16,697 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)He is at the root of all GOP BS since 1980. The fucking moron was the nail in the coffin for the GOP.
calimary
(81,110 posts)He empowered the worst elements in his own party, and made it all sound soooooo pleasing and patriotic and homespun and aw-shucks, and red-white-&-blue and harmless. And the vermin he assembled around him, and other monsters and opportunistic infections saw an opening and pounced.
And it hasn't been the same since. And add in schmucks like rush limbaugh and all his little wannabes and that's all it took. They planted the seeds of death and destruction and mendacity and cheating and greed. And it's all come full-flower now.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(5,088 posts)calimary
(81,110 posts)No kidding.
Raster
(20,998 posts)Shitty B-movie actor that gave his best performances in the White House as President. I still shake my head when conservatives quote Ray-gun* with reverence... they were just lines written for him by Peggy Noonan, among others.
SamKnause
(13,087 posts)I have been saying it for years.
They are EVIL !!!
They are my enemies.
They are enemies of my country.
Evolve Dammit
(16,697 posts)dlilafae
(85 posts)to what is blatantly staring them in the face.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Trump won the WH in 2016 and got a record amount of votes in 2020. Then we were graced with Boebart, Hawley, Green etc. So there's that.
Cyrano
(15,027 posts)intelligence of the American people." H.L. Mencken -- This is one of those quotes I've found to be deadly accurate and totally depressing. Yet, Republicans at the local level are doing everything in their power to destroy public education and further lower the intelligence of Americans.
They really are barbarians.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)And every one of them was put in power by US citizens. THAT is the elephant in the room no one wants to address because we have to be "civil" and politically correct. THAT is what scares me most.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)their kids, but my lord, I couldnt watch as I was embarrassed by republicans cruel questioning. And we better get ready to defend in 2022 and 2024 for its all CRT-Trans-Replacement bullshit that they will hang their hats on to win the next elections. Republicans showed their cards, now we need to go on the offensive today. All Harley and guys like Rick Scott do win elections listening to their political consultants tell them what the fake outrage of the day is and pounding Democratic heads into the pavement with fake outrage. Their stupid voters like it even though they are hurt by republican policies, if you can call it that, and governance.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)Part of the GOP will never find a bottom. There will always be something lower. The rest have no spine. Everyday people who tend to vote Republican will be busy making excuses for it. I don't know what the answer is but you are right about the next few elections. If the bully wing of the GOP gets more power then it might be a generation or more before we can move back to any semblance of sanity.
Edit to add I don't agree America - or the GOP is over.
flying_wahini
(6,578 posts)The last election almost gave me a stroke. So terribly worried. Sure hope the youngsters
show up to vote.
onecaliberal
(32,777 posts)OMGWTF
(3,941 posts)onecaliberal
(32,777 posts)Septua
(2,252 posts)..long before today.
C Moon
(12,208 posts)The gop is trying to keep trump alive, but I don't think it will work.
A lot happens in 4 years, and the voters will be looking to either stay with Biden, or move in a different direction with someone else.
VERY FEW will want tfg back in office.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)In 20 years. We are now seeing the results of the past 20+ years. This blind faith that the public will somehow have an epiphany and see the light is wishful thinking. Republicans played the long game. They have won said game. As for their base dwindling, see Boebart, MTG, Hawley etc.. Look at the complete Morphing of the "traditional Republicans" such as Graham, who had to morph to survive. R's have taken the Supreme Court and the federal courts. They have packed state governments, they took the WH in 2016 with a moron as their candidate and damn near did the same in 2020. They made it ok to be as racists, hateful and violent as they want. There have been zero consequences. And their base is still there. This is the result of 20+ years of the blind faith thinking "that could never happen in the US" and "the people will never stand for (fill in a whole host of BS here)" and, "I just couldn't vote for candidate X because they didn't agree with me on every single thing, so I didn't vote at all or I voted 3rd party, because after all, THAT could never happen in the US." Well, welcome to all of THAT.
C Moon
(12,208 posts)I think tfg will lose steam by the next election. Where did I mention empathy?
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Neither did I. Which leaves one wondering about your you're out of left field reply. "I hope people are paying attention."
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)over the Kavanagh hearing has survived several years now. Lindsay must have a mad crush on him. I'm serious, not making fun of him.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)That is when I lost faith in this country. Maybe we can claw it back to some degree. But that was it for me. When we couldnt do a fucking thing about gun violence after 20 some children were gunned down in their fucking school that is when I realized this country has no fucking soul. No moral compass as a country. Absolutely no ability to do the right thing. We are a nation being steered by a bunch if fucking violent blood thirsty, alpha male wannabe, disgusting pieces of shit.
The good people of this country CANNOT FUCKING WIN. Even when we win we somehow cannot make a difference. We are over.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)5-6 years old's dead, little bodies riddled with bullets, and we as a country did NOTHING!
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)We have no heart as a country.
llmart
(15,532 posts)I will never forget how horrified I felt at the news reels of those poor little children. To this day all I can think of is, what happened to Americans that they would not find a way to do anything about the proliferation of guns in this country? What does it say about a county's people when money and materials stuff means more to them than life itself? That's what we've become. That's how we measure if we're a "great" country or not. All the materialism in this country and the hatred is everywhere. You'd think they'd get a clue that stuff and money don't make you happy.
We have truly lost the soul of our country. I am no longer proud of it and since I'm in my seventies now, I doubt I'll see it ever change for the better.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Go figure.
KS Toronado
(17,147 posts)now have a new chapter being written for them with today's hearings.
MiHale
(9,664 posts)(Shaming by tweet isnt and shouldnt count as being held accountable.)
They will never stop, why should they?
OldBaldy1701E
(5,088 posts)Consequences. There need to be some. The last two rethug administrations have created a lot that should be dragged into the light of the public view and discussed. It should be obvious that they are nothing short of criminals. They HAVE to be held accountable, but the other side is that there has to be REAL consequences to apply. Not some house arrest or five years at Club Fed. REAL consequences. Real time in prison. Real forfeiture of ill gotten wealth due to their criminal activities. Real fines that will impact them so badly that they have to become a wage slave just like the ones they got rich off of. I won't hold my breath though. All of this has been known for a long time. We collectively just worship money too much to actually bring down some reality and justice on those who have a lot of it.
Oh, and there needs to be some serious offerings from our side as to how we plan to do it as well. The more we don't act on this, the more we lose public support and interest. The more we don't see progress and results, the less we will be able to maintain any momentum. I know it is like herding cats, but that is the hand we have been dealt.
NQAS
(10,749 posts)That will effectively meaningless to the cultists.
It will be another - maybe - when local media in cult and buffoon country do the same.
Although, when I think about it, it will mean nothing to them.
They are, after all, buffoons and cultists. And, from what I've read over the past few years, it takes one on one conversation with these people by normal family and friends to make those inroads. Frankly, I don't see that coming, especially when members of Congress repeat their vile talking points and lend credibility to their insane world view. And that demographic doesn't change its mind. It boldly and proudly doubles down.
Evolve Dammit
(16,697 posts)I wondered travelling through backroads in rural GA, FL in 2000 seeing all the Bush Cheney signs in front of trailers or very poor houses, what in the world they thought those rich assholes would ever do to help you in any way? The answer I now know is, to keep America white (and poor but they don't mention that). After the Civil War, the wealthy were very worried that the freed slaves and poor whites would join together and take power away. They still worry about that and need to placate the poor, white base. Limbaugh, Drumpf and others have done an excellent job. Keep them angry and afraid.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,639 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,697 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Has been off for quite a while. Hasn't hurt them yet.
Jetheels
(991 posts)where they flourish and prosper.
Like the maggots they are.
totodeinhere
(13,056 posts)And they know it. It's just theater on their part.
Bobstandard
(1,292 posts)The Republicans on the committee are behaving with the impunity that recent events have shown them they possess. The dont give a shit about our quaint norms, or traditions, or even any reasonable reading of our quaint constitution. Our institutions have proven insufficient to corral these bastards.
Weve gotta stop them at the ballot and that aint going to be easy but hell, its worked before
Another post somewhere said the most important words are get-out-the-vote.
Ive got a little money, some time, a pen, and a keyboard Im using to do what I can. Im stoked to be part of the team fighting those guys
Would it be inappropriate to say I feel a little Ukrainian about out fight?
Cyrano
(15,027 posts)I understand exactly what you're saying, Bobstandard. I'm all for exiling these Republicans shits to a desolate land where they can happily dwell with their cruelty and hatred. But right now, we're stuck with them because we're playing by the "rules."
But between gerrymandering and the insane voter suppression laws they're passing, they're trying to prevent us from getting out the vote. Looking down the road a bit, if their tactics hand them the whole federal government, it's not out of the question that we could actually find ourselves, like the Ukrainians, in a shooting war. -- Or, as many call it, a second Civil War. (Or a continuation of the first one that never really ended.) I hope this doesn't come to be. But we may actually be pushed to that extreme, regardless of our hopes, desires and dreams.
ForgedCrank
(1,764 posts)this is going to do any damage to their voting base?
We are literally talking about people who voted Donald Trump for President. They have no scruples.
GoodRaisin
(8,906 posts)Their behavior at Judge Jacksons confirmation hearings was totally anticipated and expected.
TeamProg
(6,030 posts)Join me?
https://support.actblue.com/
WinstonSmith4740
(3,055 posts)Democrats have to stop being so damn nice and understanding. Any rethug running that hearing would have gaveled a democrat into silence if they tried to pull 10% of the pearl clutching bullshit Lindsay pulled off yesterday. The disrespect was palpable.
But through it all, I can't help but feel this will drive Democrats will flock to the polls in November. It will certainly drive women of color, and let's face it...they're really who we need.
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FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Silent3
(15,147 posts)I can't fathom why Biden's approval isn't consistently at 60% or higher, just out of sheer relief that he isn't Trump.
But too many American's revel in assholery, however, whether it be from Trump or the rest of the Republicans.
Then another big chunk are playing little or no attention to such things, but they're unhappy about inflation, or Ukraine, or lingering COVID problems. Those low-information voters will happily blame the party of the incumbent President for all that troubles them, no matter how little sense that makes. What little news media these people happen to consume will most likely encourage rather than challenge such shallow thinking.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)frogmarch
(12,153 posts)he'd write a song titled "Here's to the State of the Republican Party."
LymphocyteLover
(5,636 posts)THEY HAVE A SICK BRAINDEAD RACIST BASE TOTALLY BRAINWASHED BY FOXNEWS.
I don't see how this atrociousness changes anything.
Cyrano
(15,027 posts)Sigh.
LymphocyteLover
(5,636 posts)I truly feel your pain.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)The number of Republican voters who will switch or withhold their vote as a result of this latest round of vile GQP shenanigans is statistically insignificant. If anything, KKKonservative "independent" voters have likely found a number of excuses to pull the Red lever come November.
It would be grand if Republicans ever paid a real price for their contemptible anti-American fuckery, but that's simply not the nation that we live in.
Autumn
(44,980 posts)said and did to her.