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Demovictory9

(32,443 posts)
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 05:51 AM Mar 2022

Kate Middleton appears to pull back (recoil) from Jamaican official




Prince William and Kate Middleton’s tour of the Caribbean was supposed to be a celebration of Queen Elizabeth’s Platinum Jubilee, but it’s been fraught with nothing but controversy from the start. With the critics pointing out the royals’ tone-deaf approach to Britain’s history of colonialism, the latest video clip with the Duchess of Cambridge didn’t do anything to help that narrative.

Kate is finding herself under the social-media microscope after being caught recoiling away from Jamaica’s Minister of Culture, Gender, Entertainment & Sport, Olivia Grange, on Tuesday. (See the video HERE.) The Jamaican official is seen trying to gently reach for the royal’s hand to guide her over to speak with her. The Duchess of Cambridge keeps stepping further and further back, which makes it an awkward and uncomfortable situation to watch. The account that posted the clip reminded their followers about Prince William’s famous quote after Prince Harry and Meghan Markle interview with Oprah Winfrey, “We are very much not a racist family.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/kate-middleton-is-in-hot-water-over-this-clip-of-her-appearing-to-pull-back-from-a-jamaican-official/ar-AAVpxyA
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Kate Middleton appears to pull back (recoil) from Jamaican official (Original Post) Demovictory9 Mar 2022 OP
What nonsense Effete Snob Mar 2022 #1
Agree. It's terribly unfair -- and indecent -- to just assume bad interpretations. Hortensis Mar 2022 #48
Could it be that she is uncomfortable after two years of socially distancing Thtwudbeme Mar 2022 #2
My first thought, as well. I can't remember the last time I shook hands with anyone. Arkansas Granny Mar 2022 #21
I thought the same, after watching the clip several times. yardwork Mar 2022 #32
Same Tink41 Mar 2022 #43
Sorry, not seeing it obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #3
I am not a fan of the royal family, but I don't see it. madaboutharry Mar 2022 #4
Protocol IzzaNuDay Mar 2022 #5
Protocol was the first thing that came to my mind, too. wnylib Mar 2022 #44
Oh please . .. Lovie777 Mar 2022 #6
It looks like Kate and the man next to her stepped back for some reason lapucelle Mar 2022 #7
Lovely picture questionseverything Mar 2022 #20
lOoK aT tHaT rAcIsT rEcOiLiNg fRoM bLaCk cHiLdReN obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #23
misleading . It replays by it making it look like she stepped away JI7 Mar 2022 #8
point taken Demovictory9 Mar 2022 #10
When in doubt, blame the black ex Royal for the so far shambolic W.I. Royal tour Celerity Mar 2022 #9
The Daily Mail is a far right source. lapucelle Mar 2022 #11
oh, wow, thanks, I never knew that, despite growing up in London Celerity Mar 2022 #16
The "racist bullshit" that you link to has little (if anything) to do with the "incident" lapucelle Mar 2022 #30
I'm not invested in these contrived 'Teams'. As a British citizen, I want the entire Monarchy ended. Celerity Mar 2022 #33
I don't believe I've ever seen the words "monarchy" and "royal" capitalized before. N/T lapucelle Mar 2022 #38
Perhaps because you are not British, perhaps because you failed to notice before Celerity Mar 2022 #39
"Monarchy" is not capitalized in your excerpt. lapucelle Mar 2022 #41
Was referring to the specific institution in terms of welding it. Celerity Mar 2022 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Mar 2022 #47
Not only that, but Dan Wootton is an arse Emrys Mar 2022 #22
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Mar 2022 #14
He has a face in need of a fist JI7 Mar 2022 #19
Yeah...no! hamsterjill Mar 2022 #12
Not enough time in the clip. bamagal62 Mar 2022 #13
I get it. as a Black woman, I recoil from people reaching for my hair. Demovictory9 Mar 2022 #18
Yes! They just go for it. bamagal62 Mar 2022 #26
Oh brother. mahina Mar 2022 #15
This is an uncomfortable trip. AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #17
Meh jcgoldie Mar 2022 #24
What absolute bullshit. JoanofArgh Mar 2022 #25
Maybe it's Covid phobia. I don't like touching people either. Vinca Mar 2022 #27
This is beyond stupid. demmiblue Mar 2022 #28
This is the dumbest shit. nt LexVegas Mar 2022 #29
This is trying to make something out of absolutely nothing. 👎 nt Raine Mar 2022 #31
No appears about it. She absolutely did pull back. ananda Mar 2022 #34
Ha! IF she DID pull back? CrackityJones75 Mar 2022 #36
Why does that make her a racist? obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #45
Couln't have happened to amore deserving malaise Mar 2022 #35
I had read once that Kate usually carries a clutch bag to avoid exactly this type of situation... dixiechiken1 Mar 2022 #37
What bullshit. chowder66 Mar 2022 #40
Meh. Reading too much into it. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #46
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
1. What nonsense
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 05:58 AM
Mar 2022

Why is the Jamaican gentlemen next to her (closest to us in foreground) also stepping backwards as the clip begins?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. Agree. It's terribly unfair -- and indecent -- to just assume bad interpretations.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:42 PM
Mar 2022

Living in a mean period when hateful behaviors are epidemic and infectious doesn't make it okay.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
2. Could it be that she is uncomfortable after two years of socially distancing
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 05:59 AM
Mar 2022

to be that close to a stranger?

I am; I am still masking.

The Queen recently had Covid.

IOW, I don't think this proves racism- maybe it does, but I would have to see more evidence than a two second phone clip.

Arkansas Granny

(31,512 posts)
21. My first thought, as well. I can't remember the last time I shook hands with anyone.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:12 AM
Mar 2022

The only close physical contact I have these days is among family and friends who I know to be fully vaxxed and boosted. I maintain social distancing with anyone else.

yardwork

(61,585 posts)
32. I thought the same, after watching the clip several times.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:29 AM
Mar 2022

First, there's no context for the clip. The whole scene looks chaotic and yes, Kate looks uncomfortable - but it's not clear why. Two years of Covid? Discomfort with being in a crowd?

The trip was a bad idea and it's not going well. This clip is an example of the bad optics of the entire thing - but to me it doesn't prove anything in particular about anyone in it.

Tink41

(537 posts)
43. Same
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 10:24 AM
Mar 2022

I couldn't even imagine shaking hands w anyone I didn't reside with at the moment. I'm still masking for goodness sakes!

obamanut2012

(26,049 posts)
3. Sorry, not seeing it
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:00 AM
Mar 2022

And, I'm not any kind of fan of her. She isn't "recoiling," she just doesn't want to be touched. I don't like people I don't know touching me or grabbing my hand, either, and just because she is a Royal doesn't mean she has to allow it.

I have no idea if Kate Middleton is racist or not -- she probably is, many white people are -- but this doesn't show it.

And, you may not have heard about it, but there's this thing called Covid, and some of us actually think it can still kill you and still wear masks.

madaboutharry

(40,199 posts)
4. I am not a fan of the royal family, but I don't see it.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:12 AM
Mar 2022

I think this criticism is a real stretch.

It seems to me that over the years that Kate has turned into a real snob, but I am not seeing her "recoiling" from the official. She just looks uncertain.

IzzaNuDay

(362 posts)
5. Protocol
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:13 AM
Mar 2022

IIRC, commoners are not supposed to touch royalty. Although this was an outdoor event, we are still in a pandemic.

Which leaves me to wonder: why are these folks traveling in the first place?

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
44. Protocol was the first thing that came to my mind, too.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 10:34 AM
Mar 2022

Kate did not grow up as a royal. She has no doubt been thoroughly schooled on protocol since her engagement to William.

Add the covid pandemic isolation and distancing to that.

That's not to say that the British royals are not racist, just that this clip does not look like an example of it.

lapucelle

(18,229 posts)
7. It looks like Kate and the man next to her stepped back for some reason
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:15 AM
Mar 2022

and then were instructed to step forward. Their actions mirror each others.





obamanut2012

(26,049 posts)
23. lOoK aT tHaT rAcIsT rEcOiLiNg fRoM bLaCk cHiLdReN
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:28 AM
Mar 2022

I'm not a fan at all of Middleton, or colonialism, but some people are stretching stuff.

Lovely pic, thanks for posting!

Celerity

(43,240 posts)
16. oh, wow, thanks, I never knew that, despite growing up in London
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:56 AM
Mar 2022


What exactly is your point?

It was posted as an example of racist bullshit from certain corners of the Royal defenders back in the UK.

lapucelle

(18,229 posts)
30. The "racist bullshit" that you link to has little (if anything) to do with the "incident"
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:09 AM
Mar 2022

involving the Jamaican cultural minister. It's about something else entirely.

I guess I'm just not invested enough in the whole Team Meghan - Team Kate rivalry to feel impelled to counter one bullshit story with different a "racist bullshit" story culled from a right wing website.

Celerity

(43,240 posts)
33. I'm not invested in these contrived 'Teams'. As a British citizen, I want the entire Monarchy ended.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:30 AM
Mar 2022

Same for the Swedish Monarchy.

The entire concept of nobility/royalty is antithetical to my core inner philosophy.

I am constantly amazed at the level of royal defending and even adoration that I see so many US-dwelling Americans exhibit.

Pretty ironic for a nation that fought the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 to get out from under the Royal whip hand.

Celerity

(43,240 posts)
39. Perhaps because you are not British, perhaps because you failed to notice before
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 10:05 AM
Mar 2022

About the Royal Family

https://www.royal.uk/role-royal-family

Members of the Royal Family support The Queen in her many State and national duties, as well as carrying out important work in the areas of public and charitable service, and helping to strengthen national unity and stability.


The role of the Monarchy

https://www.royal.uk/role-monarchy

Monarchy is the oldest form of government in the United Kingdom.

In a monarchy, a king or queen is Head of State. The British Monarchy is known as a constitutional monarchy. This means that, while The Sovereign is Head of State, the ability to make and pass legislation resides with an elected Parliament.

lapucelle

(18,229 posts)
41. "Monarchy" is not capitalized in your excerpt.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 10:15 AM
Mar 2022

“Royal Family” is a proper noun, while “Royal whip hand” is not.

The BBC doesn't capitalize “monarchy” (except in a story title or as the first word in a sentence), and the BBC is British.

Response to Celerity (Reply #16)

Emrys

(7,227 posts)
22. Not only that, but Dan Wootton is an arse
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:15 AM
Mar 2022

and a pitiful example of the worst sort of muckraking opportunist tabloid hack. If you were laying bets on which of that breed were going to go with this line, Wootton would be at the head of the pack. Here's an example of his past output:

In 2015, Wootton and The Sun received widespread criticism for an article he penned for the tabloid titled "Hollywood HIV Panic". Writing in The Independent, Tom Hayes referred to the piece as an "insidious piece of stigma-reinforcing" journalism, HIV policy adviser Lisa Power, who was quoted in the article, called it "vile" and expressed "disappointment" Wootton had "lent his name to such a shameful piece". Further criticism came from the Terrence Higgins Trust who called it "irresponsible", the British Medical Journal and The Guardian's Owen Jones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Wootton


His abilities can be gauged by the fact that he's progressed from holding down jobs at The News of the World (a scandal-riden scandal sheet, forced to cease publication after it was revealed to have hacked celebrities' phone numbers), the Sun and the Mail (not really any better, despite its generous photo budgets and major online presence making it popular among some DUers) to clinging on at MailOnline - hence his stream of rabid clickbait articles pandering to the worst of human nature - and joining the sinking ship that is the far-right GB News.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
14. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:52 AM
Mar 2022

I'm surprised those who are racists against Meghan aren't blaming her for the war putin started against Ukraine. As you rightfully point out, a lot of black woman are surely targeted and blamed for everything else.

Look at how the racist reich-winged males on the Senate are going after KBJ. Look at how that old, racist, dumb wench Blackburn aka Home Economics KAREN, went after KBJ.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
12. Yeah...no!
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:36 AM
Mar 2022

These types of videos give “fake news” credence. It’s a couple of seconds in time trying to ruin a famous person.

I need more than that to believe someone is racist.

bamagal62

(3,246 posts)
13. Not enough time in the clip.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:47 AM
Mar 2022

But, I know my daughter has PTSD from being a toddler living in China. She has porcelain skin and was constantly being touched by strangers that were in awe of her skin. I constant had to politely ask people not to touch her. She can’t stand for anyone to invade her personal space after that. It’s an automatic reaction. You just can’t judge people by a short clip.

Demovictory9

(32,443 posts)
18. I get it. as a Black woman, I recoil from people reaching for my hair.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:02 AM
Mar 2022

No one has ever asked... they just go for it.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
17. This is an uncomfortable trip.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:57 AM
Mar 2022

There are many explanations for Kate, but overall I believe their reception has been generally cool. Colonialism has to end.

demmiblue

(36,833 posts)
28. This is beyond stupid.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:54 AM
Mar 2022

It just looks like she is trying to figure out where she is supposed to stand.

I can't believe that a whole "news" article is dedicated to some dumbass reaction from a random Twitter account. Wait, yes I can.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
36. Ha! IF she DID pull back?
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:47 AM
Mar 2022

That makes you racist?????

Could be any number of reasons to pull back from someone.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
37. I had read once that Kate usually carries a clutch bag to avoid exactly this type of situation...
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:24 AM
Mar 2022
MailOnline's expert, William Hanson, explains, "It is protocol that you do not extend your hand to any member of the royal family (blood royal or those who have married into the family) unless their hand extends first"—hence the reason Kate feels the need to pick a bag that puts both her hands out of commission. [bold mine]

https://www.glamour.com/story/why-kate-middleton-always-carries-a-clutch


It's got nothing to do with race. I would have to imagine there are security concerns, also.
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