We are on the verge of becoming a lawless nation.

[fightforfreedom]

The Peoples faith in the American justice system is being ripped to pieces. That is extremely dangerous.

If Trump, his family, his corrupt enablers, are not held accountable for the countless crimes they have committed, our constitution will become a worthless piece of paper.

One day the Republicans will win back the Whitehouse. Today in America, all a president has to do is hire a corrupt AG, he is then free to commit crimes. That is the precedent being set right now.

What happened in the New York criminal case against Trump was a travesty. Something is very wrong. Believe it or not a trump voter said this to me about a month ago. He said Trump will not be indicted in New York because a lot of rich people are doing what Trump did with his financial records, taxes. If you indict Trump, it would open the door for many other indictments of rich, powerful people. I do not know if this Trump voter is right, but it does seem possible.

The only way we can protect, save ,the American justice system is to indict Trump and his enablers for the crimes they have committed. They are guilty, we all know it. Anything less will cause great harm to the rule of law.

I hope the American people understand what is at stake.

[kentuck]

1. I started to post on this same subject...

Can America continue to exist with the myth that "no one is above the law"?

The "Left" would likely have a more difficult time accepting it than would the "Right". Perhaps so?

To be honest, I never expected NY State to do anything about the criminal acts. After all, Trump was from NY. He operated and did his "business" there for several decades. "Everything Trump touches dies," to paraphrase Rick Wilson, A Republican comedian...but honest.

I would not expect New York to escape unscathed. I never fully expected to see any prosecution of Trump or his Trump Foundation. Too many politicians have been bought. Do we need to mention any names?

The old Constitutional axiom that "all men and women are equal", is not what we thought it was.

[gab13by13]

4. Letitia James, the New York AG,

is getting ready to cripple the Trump Organization.

Mark Pomerantz was all set to send the criminal case to the grand jury, one person stopped him, Alvin Bragg.

The fact that Trump did business in NY has nothing to do with what Alvin Bragg did, even former DA Cy Vance, told Pomerantz to take the case before the grand jury.

I still have a little hope that another prosecutor will take this case, hello Tish James, hello Mimi Rocah.

[kentuck]

6. I disagree that Trump doing business in NY had nothing to do with what Alvin Bragg did...

I think they are both part of the same political corruption...which Trump had no small part, in participation.

Are you sure about "Tish" James? 100% ?

[gab13by13]

15. 100% for me; death and taxes.

100% for Trump; death.

The easiest way to nail Trump is through his taxes, just like Al Capone.

I misunderstood your reference to doing "business" in NY, I didn't understand you meant "dirty business."

I am say, 90% sure about Tish because in a civil trial she doesn't have to prove intent. She has the documents that speak for themselves.

[wnylib]

18. Since AG James pursued the investigation of

Andrew Cuomo, a governor and fellow Dem, why would she not pursue Donald Trump?

[Scrivener7]

12. Vance had no intention of doing anything himself. (Just like his father before him.)

He successfully kicked the can down the road to Bragg and Bragg, for no discernible reason, will not prosecute.

Tfg has ALWAYS been untouchable in NY. My family had a small NY construction company until the 90s. I am personally aware of people tfg ruined by not paying them for no reason other than he could get away with it. His crimes were easily provable and he was never prosecuted for any of them. He is tied into organized crime, and someone in NY protects him.

The only question now is how high does that influence go? The trajectory of tfg over the years shows us the shadows of the networks that actually run things. Why they would back him is anyone's guess, but I suspect Putin has a hand in that.

I have no hope for Garland, but some for Tish. It is a question whether she can withstand the pressures that have sent everyone else running for the hills.

But what I am learning from this is that our Democracy is largely a front. If you can buy or extort your way into these networks of influence, you are untouchable.

[gab13by13]

21. Good post,

I listened to Thom Hartmann a couple days ago and he said the only way to keep our democracy is to tax the rich. He said we had 1 billionaire in the US until Reagan, and Citizens United, today we have 400 billionaires who use their money to buy politicians, the MSM, and the courts.

Sheldon Whitehouse gets it, people should listen to his videos.

We have our own American oligarchs who fund the Federalist Society. The Federalist Society picks the SC. Kavanaugh wasn't vetted because his law school acquaintance, Chris Wray ignored 4,500 complaints that were on the FBI tip line. The Federalist Society wrote the anti-voter laws for Republicans in the states.

I am truly pessimistic about the future of our democracy, I do not see how GOTV can overcome rigged elections. Minority rule cannot exist in a democracy, that is why it is being abolished.

[Irish_Dem]

29. We become more like Russia every day.

[KS Toronado]

25. Very insightful.......

" If you can buy or extort your way into these networks of influence, you are untouchable."
You're probably correct, but if a rich guy goes broke (IQ4.5), I hope we could nail them then.

[Scrivener7]

27. If I'm right, though, the connected rich guys never DO go broke.

Deutsch Bank floats them billion dollar loans, no collateral or ability to repay required. Oligarchs sell them multi-million dollar properties for pennies that they resell and then launder the profits in Cyprus. Shady companies from Qatar bail out their disastrous 666 Fifth Avenue purchase, even to the tune of billions of dollars.

[kentuck]

3. In my opinion, it doesn't really matter if they are "Progressive" or "REgressive"...

The rule of law and the devout belief in the Constitution over-ride any concerns about political Parties, at this time.

I agree with you that, no Party is above the law.

In the final analysis, the American people will have to decide.

[gab13by13]

5. Wow man,

I heard the exact same thing from GQP Senators at the SC confirmation hearings.

Do you have any evidence that progressive prosecutors allow rapists to walk free? I would think twice about posting this claim, if I were someone who does alerts I would consider this post strongly, suffice it to say, I strongly disagree with your post.

[AntivaxHunters]

11. You sound like a cop

FTP.

[ananda]

7. Not on the verge.

Our justice system has been corrupt and broken
since I can remember.

[BigmanPigman]

16. I watched Mr Smith Goes To Washington again last

night and the whole time I was giving my 2 cents about how corrupt the system is and hasn't changed in 80÷ years.

[Scruffy1]

24. I've known this for a longtime.

In my eighth decade know and I first came to realize it when I was a teen. I grew up in a rural area and it was obvious even in small town America. If your family was well connected and had money you could have the crap swept under the rug most of the time. If you were poor you did time. It's pretty much the same over all of rural America. It's nothing new. In the famous Teapot Dome scandal a hundred years ago Albert Fall, who took the bribe went to prison. Sinclair, who paid the bribe, walked. We do not have a "justice" system, we have a "legal" system run for the benefit of lawyers and politicians. In my opinion, the worst is in rural America and it gets a little better in urban areas because it's harder for "the few" to have undue influence. However, the poor get an overworked public defender and the rich get the best and brightest. In all fairness, judges know this and often help level the playing field.
My suspicion is that in the TFG's case there may be a lot of complicity among some VIP's and bankers and it's a scary can of worms to actually enforce the laws for all the rich and powerful. I'm not going to accuse the DA of corruption, but he's an elected official subject to a lot of pressure from many directions including the massive financial interests. Vance prosecuted one small Chinese bank that lost no money in the 2008 debacle for under reporting buyers income. He filed with 120 counts and lost all of them in court.
This is why use the term "legal system", not justice system.

[erronis]

31. Great post. It's a "legal" system, not "justice". The rich get their lawyers and we get shafted.

[MOMFUDSKI]

8. I agree with you completely

and want to add that I think WE ARE ALREADY THERE. Just take a look around at the discrepancies between the haves and the have nots in regard to crime and punishment. You see crime in the light of day and nothing happens if you are in the club. A reset is way past due.

[Emile]

9. We're soft on crime, but only when it comes to the rich.

[Evolve Dammit]

19. Succinct and accurate!

[Rebl2]

22. Absolutely

[msfiddlestix]

10. I totally understand and agree.

What's happened has gone beyond breaking my heart, but I continue to inwardly weep.

I'm broken hearted by both this facing this reality, and also the reality of a knowledge of the big myth that is played out periodically at our nation's Capitol during the reciting of the pledge to allegiance with every Presidential Inaugural, was just that, a big lie.

it breaks the spirit. it breaks my heart.

[kentuck]

14. But, in a way, it frees the spirit...

...even though it breaks our hearts.

It frees us from the myth, from the lie, that no one is above the law. It shows the deep corruption within our justice system.

[msfiddlestix]

36. Quite True.

In a way it does free the spirit, yet it tends to make us more jaded. hardened and skepticism elevated even more than it had been, which does tend to engender apathy which is the ultimate negative impact with a severe political cost.

And that brings us the endless cycle of political defeat and downward spiral of civil unrest. the winners will always be the bad guys along with their psychotic foot soldier's and protege's.

and so on, and so on.....

[FSogol]

13. Oh FUD!

[SoonerPride]

17. There are two sets of laws.

Those for the poor, which are harsh and unforgiving, and those for the rich, which are basically just suggestions.

[zaj]

20. The GOP wants a Mafia State like Russia.

[uponit7771]

26. +1,

[usonian]

23. BUT WILLIE HORTON!!!! NT

[Kaleva]

28. Most everyone here will continue to obey the laws

[erronis]

32. With the insinuation that the "others" will not. I agree. Anyone bothering to read DU

and actually try to understand the basis for our democracy will want to support it.

Some others may read it to hone their tactics and weaponry.

[Kaleva]

35. I believe the US has the world's largest prison population

There are areas to avoid because of the lawlessness

[erronis]

37. I'm hoping your response was a snark! Our prison population is huge because of unfair

application of laws and very/very uneven application of law enforcement.

If there are areas that I would want to avoid because of lawlessness (actually because of lack of moral character) it would be all of the states and other jurisdictions that promote people taking the law into their own hands - "stand-your-ground", "castle doctrine", posse actions against health-care providers. This would be much of the south and mid-west with Idaho getting special mention.

[Kaleva]

38. The US has a very high homicide rate

The citizens per gun ratio is also very high.

Many of our police departments have military grade equipment.

[Irish_Dem]

30. The US will turn into an autocracy like China and Russia.

A sitting president went on a crime spree. Including treasonous activities.

He was aided and abetted by many in high office.

If he is not held to account, then it is just a matter of time before we become China and Russia.

That has been the goal set by our enemies all along.

[erronis]

33. An awful lot of seemingly democratic countries have been ruled by corrupt leaders

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Sometimes they get their just dues, but too frequently the country (or the new leaders) just want to "move on."

Too bad. A few heads falling into the basket on public T.V. - the internet - would give a few pause.

[Horse with no Name]

34. It's as close as the next election

I’m worried

[Irish_Dem]

39. Yep. The country moves towards white christian minority rule.

And permanent GOP power.

Even when Dems win elections, the GOP finds a way to stop them from leveraging the power they should have.

The next decade will tell the tale.