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ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:18 PM Oct 2012

Mitt Romney: Federal Disaster Relief For Tornado And Flood Victims Is ‘Immoral'

From the primary debates earlier this year:

Asked about federal disaster relief for recent tornado and flood victims at last night’s GOP debate, candidate Mitt Romney called the spending “immoral” and said the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be privatized. With greenhouse pollution on the rise, the United States has been struck by a “punishing series of billion-dollar disasters.”

Embracing a radical anti-government ideology from the most extreme elements of the Tea Party, Romney said that the victims in Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Massachusetts, and other communities hit by tornadoes and flooding should not receive governmental assistance. He argued it is “simply immoral” for there to be deficit spending that could harm future generations:


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http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/06/14/244973/mitt-romney-federal-disaster-relief-for-tornado-and-flood-victims-is-immoral-makes-no-sense-at-all/
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Mitt Romney: Federal Disaster Relief For Tornado And Flood Victims Is ‘Immoral' (Original Post) ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 OP
Willard feels it is more important to harm the generations now Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #1
Here's the video DonViejo Oct 2012 #9
He and his NASCAR owner buddies ejbr Oct 2012 #18
they buy up all the best land and water resources and use the rest for their disposal Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #77
FYI - Not all NASCAR owners are his buddies, AND RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #105
It was not my intent to diss NASCAR, ejbr Oct 2012 #108
I was very surprised when I first found out that George Harrison was a fan of British auto racing. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #128
Wbillard ... kardonb Oct 2012 #96
but that is not the republican way today Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #98
plus a million roguevalley Oct 2012 #111
So Romney thinks that Fed aid should not be given for Hurricane Sandy? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2012 #125
Won't be future generations HockeyMom Oct 2012 #106
Deficits don't matter - Dicky Boy Cheney. fasttense Oct 2012 #126
Exactly what I was thinking. So we'll harm the current AND future generations AllyCat Oct 2012 #137
I can dream that the media will quote him sunnystarr Oct 2012 #2
Shouldn't take media to quote him. elleng Oct 2012 #4
Absolutely stunning how the MSM manages to *miss* stuff like this! Bozita Oct 2012 #20
I wish your dream could be true. riversedge Oct 2012 #59
he's so wrong....on everything. spanone Oct 2012 #3
Yep. Well if you have millions of dollars you can protect yourself, but the 99% of us who built this The Wielding Truth Oct 2012 #58
Too bad the people in the disaster areas don't see this. Left Coast2020 Oct 2012 #124
Using them for political photo ops might be immoral. tanyev Oct 2012 #5
+1000 n/t ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #6
Good point. You know Ryan is not going to miss out on a phot op! Glimmer of Hope Oct 2012 #12
That explains why he's not weighing in..."Tough sh##" message would not go over real well libdem4life Oct 2012 #7
I think it should be reorganized into regional disaster fund pools. Ian David Oct 2012 #8
The Confederate teabillies The Wizard Oct 2012 #40
And when they come crawling across the Mason-Dixon line for help... Ian David Oct 2012 #69
It's Even Worse Liberal1975 Oct 2012 #45
Welcome to DU! OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #120
Thank You! Liberal1975 Oct 2012 #143
Well that's it in a nutshell, isn't it? Welcome to DU! AllyCat Oct 2012 #138
Thank you... Liberal1975 Oct 2012 #142
K&R nt LiberalEsto Oct 2012 #10
put his comments in an ad Liberal_in_LA Oct 2012 #11
They're fun to watch from an airplane jsr Oct 2012 #13
'Look at 'em, they're just like little ants!' *snicker* freshwest Oct 2012 #29
That's soooooo wrong....but funny Buddaman Oct 2012 #70
We know Romney's measure after he pulled his Gordon Gecko stunt here: freshwest Oct 2012 #80
Mitt loves to look down on the poor ones clydefrand Oct 2012 #79
A perfect ad for the the Dem PACs to do... Spazito Oct 2012 #14
If the deficit spending is immoral- then it's immoral not to raise taxes on the wealthy... BlueMan Votes Oct 2012 #15
Hurricanes are different... Tornadoes tend to hit trailer parks. Hurricanes tend to hit beach homes. reformist2 Oct 2012 #16
Interesting point. SheilaT Oct 2012 #61
horseshit annabanana Oct 2012 #130
This is Mitt's starter planet. He treats it like a rental car. bleever Oct 2012 #17
Sociopath! L0oniX Oct 2012 #19
I approve littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #28
exactly. what he's really trying to protect here BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2012 #64
What the MittWit wants is more PROFITS from human misery and suffering. TahitiNut Oct 2012 #21
K&R flamingdem Oct 2012 #22
Rather he thinks any one hit in a disaster EC Oct 2012 #23
And look at all the "private sector" scams after a disaster. srichardson Oct 2012 #89
He wants to privatize FEMA too? pa28 Oct 2012 #24
K & R AzDar Oct 2012 #25
Good timing, Romney! Do you have any plans on what you're going to be doing on November 7th?? Major Hogwash Oct 2012 #26
Should be a Flatpicker Oct 2012 #27
Federal Spending with an unmanageable debt is always immoral... Liberal1975 Oct 2012 #30
Wtf????!!! Michigan Alum Oct 2012 #31
K&R amborin Oct 2012 #32
Bush tax cuts harm future generations and Romney would DEVASTATE furuture generations amborin Oct 2012 #33
Their homes, health and livelihoods being destroyed won't hurt their future generations, huh, Mitt? freshwest Oct 2012 #34
But that was waaaaaaay back during the primaries........ thelordofhell Oct 2012 #35
Yeah, that was four or five shakes of the Etch-A-Sketch ago. tclambert Oct 2012 #110
I would love to see this ad... Spazito Oct 2012 #36
He just plain doesn't care about the American people dinger130 Oct 2012 #37
what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Oct 2012 #38
Old report... Why Syzygy Oct 2012 #39
Mitt doesn't get that government is about spending money lunatica Oct 2012 #41
It's IMMORAL because WE CAN'T MAKE MONEY OFF IT!!! Strange morality. Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #42
Not if you are a right winger. That seems to be pretty much the only "morality" principal they both Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #129
Omfg are you kidding me!!!!!! LynneSin Oct 2012 #43
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2012 #44
Mitt would "privatize" everything by subsidiaries of Koch and Bain. glinda Oct 2012 #46
I know better than to put any credence whatsoever in anything that Romney says. vlyons Oct 2012 #47
Oh yea, privatize works really good Delmette Oct 2012 #48
K&R ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #49
Except Romney didn't say that - the article and OP took his statement totally out of context.. True Earthling Oct 2012 #50
He was specifically asked about natural disasters and had an opportunity sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #53
The original question was not about FEMA...it was about giving more control to states True Earthling Oct 2012 #62
Then what is his position on FEMA? We KNOW what Bush's was and we saw sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #72
I don't think it's clear that he believes disaster relief should be completely True Earthling Oct 2012 #81
The original question was about Federal Disaster Relief. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #92
Uh, if you support billh58 Oct 2012 #135
Jeb Bush forms company to get into the disaster response business crunch60 Oct 2012 #113
What a surprise! sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #116
you defending Romney on this too? like you defended him on Libya? CreekDog Oct 2012 #152
You missed the first question, where he's asked about the role of FEMA: NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #56
The OP said Romney believes disaster relief is immoral... True Earthling Oct 2012 #67
The title says "FEDERAL Disaster Relief". It is entirely accurate. NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #71
that poster always defends Romney... CreekDog Oct 2012 #153
No... Liberal1975 Oct 2012 #63
Howdy & welcome to DU! raouldukelives Oct 2012 #136
Amen Liberal1975 Oct 2012 #140
hey mittens....its the - UNITED- STATES -of -AMERICA! madrchsod Oct 2012 #51
I'm gonna hit this thread again, because it needs to be SEEN. AzDar Oct 2012 #52
There is a TV ad just waiting to be cut... Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #54
K&R SunSeeker Oct 2012 #55
what an ahole johnt_1956_55 Oct 2012 #57
i really Dj13Francis Oct 2012 #60
X_X says this right before a disaster? PatrynXX Oct 2012 #65
His response is completely understandable nichomachus Oct 2012 #66
A timely reminder as Sandy bears down.... nt riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #68
This is a perfect time to be playing the tape NYtoBush-Drop Dead Oct 2012 #73
I have heard conservatives whine about the scope of the federal government.... Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #74
Somebody send the video to priorities usa pac on twitter outsideworld Oct 2012 #75
ESPECIALLY dead and gone with no disaster relief Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #76
Ya got that? All you coastal RED STATES? annabanana Oct 2012 #78
it is immoral not help people after a disaster or anytime there is need ThomThom Oct 2012 #82
Almost all of the "tornado states" are red redstatebluegirl Oct 2012 #83
Lets just privatize the entire Federal Government Jake2413 Oct 2012 #84
And then Jesus facepalmed sakabatou Oct 2012 #85
I get it Mittens, It is ok for you to forgo any Federal disadster relief but Paper Roses Oct 2012 #86
That debate footage should be in an ad in VA as soon as possible. n.t RomneyLies Oct 2012 #87
Helping people is immoral, so let's let religious organizations do it. gkhouston Oct 2012 #88
I'm sure he took the opposite position by the next day. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #90
Oh, you can't hold him to positions he held months ago. He's entitled to change his opinion valerief Oct 2012 #91
Funny how it's not immoral to spend $$$ on killing people ("defense" budget) ... nt TBF Oct 2012 #93
What we can ask ourselves is, "How will it play in Peoria?". AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #94
Video: ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #95
Mitt Rmoney I command thee to SINK THYSELF Blue Owl Oct 2012 #97
I sent the LINK to Bill Press Show & Stephanie Miller Show.......... kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #99
Only borrow when I might make money off the project. Festivito Oct 2012 #100
what's immoral is pushing anti-science global warming denial to futher your financial interests tk2kewl Oct 2012 #101
Ooooh, this quote could leave a mark ... Myrina Oct 2012 #102
This link should be spewed across the net by everyone who has a computer and is a Democrat. N/T. busterbrown Oct 2012 #103
Oh great so now if you are rescued by a private FEMA..... airplaneman Oct 2012 #104
How can someone who appears to be the same size as most other humans... Jamastiene Oct 2012 #107
To ALL Romney Voters lyingsackofmitt Oct 2012 #109
Everyone's having a good laugh ecstatic Oct 2012 #112
They must make an ad to run during and after the storm Gus2525 Oct 2012 #114
I would like that, but the media isn't on our side ecstatic Oct 2012 #117
They must make an ad to run during and after the storm Gus2525 Oct 2012 #115
GOP: You're sh!t out of luck, folks. blkmusclmachine Oct 2012 #118
Spam deleted by NRaleighLiberal (MIR Team) TheNaimSadik Oct 2012 #119
That little gem should be made to go viral, so the tblue37 Oct 2012 #121
Ha! Money Boo Boo?! That's a new one. I'm stealing it. As for "morality" in the RW--yeah right. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #132
Who is that stupid...? cynzke Oct 2012 #122
And his greed knows no boundary Stewland Oct 2012 #123
. handsomebwonderful Oct 2012 #127
I bet his tune will be different this week. liberal N proud Oct 2012 #131
Bill Press & Stepanie Miller is giving this a lot of attention...... kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #133
If he thinks aid is "immoral", then he's amoral Canuckistanian Oct 2012 #134
Obama needs to make an ad on this. Jim__ Oct 2012 #139
it's only moral to romney if someone makes a profit from it spanone Oct 2012 #141
Romney's world is like a serious non-comedic version of the Addams Family aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #144
And the hits just keep on comin'. Makes you wonder: Do people really care (those voting 4 Romney)? bigregg4838 Oct 2012 #145
Mitt is less SOS, more POS Blue Owl Oct 2012 #146
People Voting for Romney... Liberal1975 Oct 2012 #147
Here is our story on this, posted in an area with a half million who evacuated during wildfires: Liberty Belle Oct 2012 #148
Mix; sociopath & horseshit upi402 Oct 2012 #149
Making Profit rks306 Oct 2012 #150
And now Rmoney says FEMA is needed...this is because Dina Oct 2012 #151

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
18. He and his NASCAR owner buddies
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:05 PM
Oct 2012

need to start paying their fucking taxes to help defray the fucking cost of these disasters. I can't stand these assholes.



Thanks for posting.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
105. FYI - Not all NASCAR owners are his buddies, AND
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 08:32 PM
Oct 2012

not all NASCAR fans are rednecks.
I have been a motor sports fan since before it was cool, and back when it was the Grand Nationals. I remember when the only racing that you could see on TV was highlights of the Indy 500, the weekend afterwards on the Wide World of Sports.
I wish that you folks would stop dissing NASCAR. They do a lot of good things for people. If you knew more about them, you would know that.
As a matter of fact, even though they may have differing views than Obama, many of the top 10 drivers were honored by President Obama last year. Five time NASCAR champion, Jimmie Johnson tweeted last year, "IMO... regardless of political views, when POTUS sends an invite and wants to honor you at the White House, you accept." Also these drivers come from all over the country, and have all kinds of political views.
Okay, I'll get off the soap box now, but PLEASE stop dissing NASCAR.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
108. It was not my intent to diss NASCAR,
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 09:08 PM
Oct 2012

but Mitt's friends who are owner who would rather stockpile their funds in foreign bank accounts rather than pay their fair share of taxes. And though I do accept that not all NASCAR fans are disagreeable, I will say that I am not happy about the ones who booed Michele Obama and Jill Biden some time back.


btw, I think Carl Edwards, Jeff Edwards, and Joey Logano are hot!!

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
128. I was very surprised when I first found out that George Harrison was a fan of British auto racing.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:43 AM
Oct 2012

Formula One, I think it is?

But, I still bet the great majority of NASCAR fans, owners, and drivers are RWers. And, sorry, but RWers are bad for America.

 

kardonb

(777 posts)
96. Wbillard ...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 06:38 PM
Oct 2012

Mittens is the totally immoral one here ! We are all one nation , and when some of us get hurt ( by acts of nature ) , we all stand together and help ; there is NOTHING immoral about that .

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
125. So Romney thinks that Fed aid should not be given for Hurricane Sandy?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 02:15 AM
Oct 2012

someone should quiz him on this

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
126. Deficits don't matter - Dicky Boy Cheney.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:28 AM
Oct 2012

Since he was responsible for running up the largest deficit in history, someone should ask Dickey Boy why suddenly they matter?

AllyCat

(16,197 posts)
137. Exactly what I was thinking. So we'll harm the current AND future generations
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:45 AM
Oct 2012

so we can give more money to the rich while they profit off our misfortune? How anyone can vote for this man is beyond my comprehension.

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
2. I can dream that the media will quote him
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:21 PM
Oct 2012

over and over again in the week ahead. Too bad they'll follow their marching orders and not say a word.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
58. Yep. Well if you have millions of dollars you can protect yourself, but the 99% of us who built this
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:29 PM
Oct 2012

country do not and should be assisted.


Selfish FOOL!!!

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
8. I think it should be reorganized into regional disaster fund pools.
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:31 PM
Oct 2012

Let the red states fend for themselves instead of decrying "big guvmint" and then coming to us with their hands out for cash.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
40. The Confederate teabillies
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:43 PM
Oct 2012

sure do hate the federal government except when it comes to redistributing the wealth from the normal states to them. They draw a disproportionate number of dollars from the federal treasury than they return.
It's time to end Civil War reconstruction and let them stew in their own bigoted juices.

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
69. And when they come crawling across the Mason-Dixon line for help...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:57 PM
Oct 2012

... we'll remember what they did at the Danziger Bridge.

Liberal1975

(87 posts)
45. It's Even Worse
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:53 PM
Oct 2012

They get to create "corporate" friendly environments where corporate taxes are lower while all the while subsidizing their underpaid citizenry with the very same federal programs that they decry every election cycle. So, in the end, it's the best of both worlds. Use the Federal safety net to keep your people from starving and use it as a method to allow you to shrink tax revenue streams so that jobs can move to your third world country state. Then blame black people (sorry "urban" people) for the increase in food stamps. Awesome. Just awesome.

Liberal1975

(87 posts)
142. Thank you...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:33 PM
Oct 2012

Thank you for the welcome. I just wish people would wake up in the South and elsewhere and vote in favor of their own interests. If you are not worth millions of dollars and you vote for Romney you are an imbecile.

Spazito

(50,404 posts)
14. A perfect ad for the the Dem PACs to do...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:53 PM
Oct 2012

especially if Romney makes any comments re Sandy, etc, as I have NO doubt, whatever he says will be opposite to what he said during the Primaries.

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
15. If the deficit spending is immoral- then it's immoral not to raise taxes on the wealthy...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:54 PM
Oct 2012

to cover the costs, rather than helping the people who need it as a result of natural disasters.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
61. Interesting point.
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:31 PM
Oct 2012

Let's see what happens if a whole lot of the multi-million dollar homes on Long Island get destroyed by Sandy.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
130. horseshit
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:10 AM
Oct 2012

What makes you think there are more luxury beach homes on the shore than there are densely populated middle and lower middle class homes?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
64. exactly. what he's really trying to protect here
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:39 PM
Oct 2012

Is the cash supply he is busily stealing from. The "concern" for future generations is as real as the dedication to the troops, education (see Mass. education program) and helping the middle class that he croons about.

He is a true sociopath. No concern for anyone other than himself and his love of money, power and destroying the lives of those weaker than himself.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
21. What the MittWit wants is more PROFITS from human misery and suffering.
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:07 PM
Oct 2012

Can't have them federal dollars going directly to disaster victims! PRIVATIZE it and let the vampire capitalists suck on the federal teat while holding disaster victims hostage! "Hell of a job, Brownie."

EC

(12,287 posts)
23. Rather he thinks any one hit in a disaster
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:10 PM
Oct 2012

should be paying some contractor through our teeth. Like we all have $$ for that!

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
26. Good timing, Romney! Do you have any plans on what you're going to be doing on November 7th??
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:15 PM
Oct 2012

Besides making concession speechs and apologizing to your supporters for blowing the election this year??

Man, that's one conference call I'd like to listen in on, the one he makes to Adelson.

Liberal1975

(87 posts)
30. Federal Spending with an unmanageable debt is always immoral...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:29 PM
Oct 2012

Unless its raising the debt ceiling seven times during w's Presidency. Or doubling the debt during Reagan. Or putting an unnecessary war on the credit card without even incorporating the cost into the budget, while simultaneously handing no bid contract after no bid contract to well connected corporations all on te tax payers dime. Or passing sweetheart legislation for the credit card companies and the pharma industry. Or handing a trillion dollar windfall to the "job creators" by the way are all of you enjoying the fabulously high paying job that was "created" for you as a result? I know I am! Yeah immoral to drive up the debt through irresponsible spending. That is, of course, unless it's (Reagan proved deficits don't matter) Republicans that are doing it. Then it's all good.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
34. Their homes, health and livelihoods being destroyed won't hurt their future generations, huh, Mitt?
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:32 PM
Oct 2012
Might interfere with your plan to become richer than Gawd, though...

Always looking out for Number One there, huh, dude...

BTW, all the money in the world is not yours... YET.




thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
35. But that was waaaaaaay back during the primaries........
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:35 PM
Oct 2012

Mitt's sooooooo different from the candidate that ran just a few months ago

Spazito

(50,404 posts)
36. I would love to see this ad...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:36 PM
Oct 2012

'If Mitt Romney was President right now instead of Barack Obama, there would be NO FEMA to provide relief to areas hit by Sandy. Mitt Romney would have outsourced it to PRIVATE corporations whose priority is NOT the well being of the people, their priority is to PROFITS.' Followed by a clip of Romney re FEMA and privatization.

dinger130

(199 posts)
37. He just plain doesn't care about the American people
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:40 PM
Oct 2012

After Hurricane Ivan on the Gulf Coast, we were without electricity for 12 days. No stores open and if you needed gas for your power saw, you had to go about 30 miles from where I lived and endure a long line just to get a few gallons of gas. Everything in my freezer ruined unless I put it on the BBQ quickly.

Everyday for approximately a week, I would wait in line for water, ice and MRIs from FEMA. Receiving these few things was the highlight of my day and helped us tremendously. I guess Romney thinks I was a moocher. He doesn't have a clue about hard times or people who are suffering.

He makes me sick to my stomach.

One sidenote. I found it interesting that the people who handed out the supplies were from Indian tribes, not locals.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
38. what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:41 PM
Oct 2012

this guy has no soul and to think he and his religion denied 'others' had souls (till 1979). What a hypocrite of the highest magnitude.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
41. Mitt doesn't get that government is about spending money
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:49 PM
Oct 2012

not about making profits. What a stupid man. Government isn't business. It's the opposite of business.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
129. Not if you are a right winger. That seems to be pretty much the only "morality" principal they both
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:46 AM
Oct 2012

practice and preach.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
47. I know better than to put any credence whatsoever in anything that Romney says.
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:56 PM
Oct 2012

Mitt Romney is Everyman, all things to all people. Show me a position that he hasn't betrayed, flip-flopped, flop-flipped, pretended doesn't exist, changed retroactively, pulled lies out of his butt, etc etc. Whatever Mitt Romney says are simply the non-sensical ramblings of a prideful court jester, imitating a king.

Delmette

(522 posts)
48. Oh yea, privatize works really good
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:57 PM
Oct 2012

Remember the homeowners along the gulf coast who couldn't prove how their home was destroyed, by wind or water. The insurance companies wouldn't pay the claims.

True Earthling

(832 posts)
50. Except Romney didn't say that - the article and OP took his statement totally out of context..
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:07 PM
Oct 2012

He said racking up large debts is immoral. The part where King asks "Including disaster relief, though?" was in the middle of Romney's response as Romney was talking...it doesn't appear to me Romney even heard the question.

Any one with a brain can see this is manufactured BS... geez.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
53. He was specifically asked about natural disasters and had an opportunity
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:22 PM
Oct 2012

to correct any misunderstanding. Instead he confirmed that all federal spending on disaster relief is 'immoral'.

Transcript here. Note King asks him if he includes disaster relief in his previous statement and the entire exchange was about disaster relief. Sorry but he clearly stated that disaster relief should not be handled by the Federal Government:

KING: Governor Romney? You’ve been a chief executive of a state. I was just in Joplin, Missouri. I’ve been in Mississippi and Louisiana and Tennessee and other communities dealing with whether it’s the tornadoes, the flooding, and worse. FEMA is about to run out of money, and there are some people who say do it on a case-by-case basis and some people who say, you know, maybe we’re learning a lesson here that the states should take on more of this role. How do you deal with something like that?

ROMNEY: Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.

Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut — we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep? We should take all of what we’re doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we’re doing that we don’t have to do? And those things we’ve got to stop doing, because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we’re taking in. We cannot…

KING: Including disaster relief, though?

ROMNEY: We cannot — we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all.


Now would be a perfect time to ask him what he meant since his supporters are trying to say he did not mean Federal Disaster Relief. Read this exchange to him publicly and ask him if he thinks that Federal Disaster Relief is 'immoral'.

I wonder what he thinks of the Federal Budget for the Military? Is that 'immoral' also in his opinion?

True Earthling

(832 posts)
62. The original question was not about FEMA...it was about giving more control to states
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:35 PM
Oct 2012

Romney started making a statement before "Including disaster relief, though?" was even out of King's mouth... Romney talked over the question. Watch the video instead of relying on the transcript. The transcript is misleading.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
72. Then what is his position on FEMA? We KNOW what Bush's was and we saw
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 05:01 PM
Oct 2012

the results of those policies when the victims of Katrina waited FIVE DAYS before they received any help from the Fed Gov.

He did talk over the question. That is not an excuse or an explanation as to why he believes the States can do a better job, or worse, private enterprises, of offering assistance to the people during a national disaster.

He should now be asked to clarify his position, whether or not he agrees with the disastrous Bush policies or whether he supports Clinton's policies on FEMA which were hugely successful during National Disasters.

Now is the perfect time for him to offer his views on this issue.

True Earthling

(832 posts)
81. I don't think it's clear that he believes disaster relief should be completely
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 05:23 PM
Oct 2012

under the control of the states or God forbid.. the private sector. It sounded like he was speaking in generalities. There's no way the states can do a better job if given a solitary role... FEMA is essential and should lead any coordinated response utilizing all elements... Fed, state, NGO's and the private sector.

Unfortunately his answer was politician-speak and gave no clue as to his real position on FEMA's role.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
92. The original question was about Federal Disaster Relief.
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 06:18 PM
Oct 2012

FEMA IS the 'Federal Emergency Management Agency'. I don't think there's any doubt about what he said. He said that 'running up debt' at a Federal level is 'immoral' in response to that question.


He talked over King's question to continue his response. Even King was surprised enough to try to clarify what he was saying, giving him an opportunity to correct any misconception. He continued confirming what King thought he was saying.

So the only question left imo, is this. What is more immoral, allowing US Citizens to die, as happened in Katrina in order to NOT run up debt at a Federal level, or having the US Government refuse to respond to natural disasters in order not to have to spend any money on saving US lives?

Natural Disasters are a National Security issue, are they not? They take American lives more surely than any outside threat.

I would like these Republicans to define 'National Security' because they don't seem to consider the loss of American lives to be any threat to our security.

They are more than willing to deny Health Care to US Citizens, a policy that costs 44,000 American lives each year. Since 9/11 that translates into half a million American lives many of which COULD have been saved if we had a National HC system like every other civilized nation.

They are more than willing to allow US Citizens to die in Natural Disasters also. So exactly what constitutes 'National Security' to people like Romney?

billh58

(6,635 posts)
135. Uh, if you support
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:16 AM
Oct 2012

Romney, and feel obligated to defend him, you may be on the wrong board. FR is waaaay down the hall, and to your right.

 

crunch60

(1,412 posts)
113. Jeb Bush forms company to get into the disaster response business
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 10:11 PM
Oct 2012

Just add Romney's name to the corporate whores/sociopaths, who will pillage and plunder for profit, at the expense of the suffering and anguish of others. Privatization for the pariahs of chaos.


Former Jeb Bush Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is getting into the for-profit disaster response business. A veteran of emergency response operations -- having personally weathered Hurricane Andrew and then shepherded the state through 7 mega-hurricanes as governor -- Bush has joined forces with O'Brien's Response Management, an emergency planning company, according to a story in the Maritime Executive on its web site today.

According to the Maritime Executive's story, O'Brien's is a a wholly owned subsidiary of SEACOR Holdings Inc. and joined forces with Bush's company, Old Rhodes Holdings LLC to help the company expand into new markets. "O’Brien’s provides emergency planning, disaster response, preparedness consulting, crisis communications and regulatory compliance services to corporations and governments,'' the report says.

“We are pleased to enter into this partnership with one of the leading response organizations in the United States, backed by SEACOR’s global network,” Bush said. “Together we look forward to helping a broader array of organizations and communities become more resilient through preparation, response, communication and recovery.”

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2011/09/jeb-bush-forms-company-to-get-into-the-disaster-response-business.html#storylink=cpy

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
116. What a surprise!
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 10:19 PM
Oct 2012


So, how would this work I wonder? Do you have to be a paying member of this or some other organization in order to be helped during a natural disaster?

I seriously believe that that the Bush family suffers from a pathological condition similar to hoarders. They simply cannot seem to have enough money to satisfy their 'needs', not their normal needs, for which they have enough to last several lifetimes.

I think it's way past time to start studying this sickness, the need to keep accumulating more and more 'possessions' or 'money' as is the case with these sick individuals. They are after all willing to kill large numbers of human beings in order to keep hoarding cash. This is a serious illness which imo, needs to be addressed as we have ignored the symptoms for far too long and tried to deal with it rationally. The truth is that this need to possess all that they can get their hands on, is not rational, it is sick.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
56. You missed the first question, where he's asked about the role of FEMA:
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:28 PM
Oct 2012
You’ve been a chief executive of a state. I was just in Joplin, Missouri. I’ve been in Mississippi and Louisiana and Tennessee and other communities dealing with whether it’s the tornadoes, the flooding, and worse. FEMA is about to run out of money, and there are some people who say do it on a case-by-case basis and some people who say, you know, maybe we’re learning a lesson here that the states should take on more of this role. How do you deal with something like that?

Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.


It was entirely in context.

True Earthling

(832 posts)
67. The OP said Romney believes disaster relief is immoral...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:53 PM
Oct 2012

The question was about who should control disaster relief...the Feds or the states. It was not about do we give disaster relief or not... he did not say disaster relief is immoral... he said racking up large debts is immoral. Yes the OP took his answer out of context.

Liberal1975

(87 posts)
63. No...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:38 PM
Oct 2012

He states very clearly that anything the federal government pays for should be passed off to the states and furthermore if at all possible to the private sector. The question was clearly about federal relief that's why in the initial question areas hard hit by natural disaster where named including Joplin, which was literally erased from the map by a mega tornado. Fiscal responsibility is really important to the Republicans...NOW when they don't control federal spending. When they DO control federal spending they have absolutely no qualms with raising debts and deficits. That's the central point here. The Republicans have demonstrated time and time again that the idea that they are fiscally responsible is a myth. They were once, but ever since 1980 with Reagan's supply side economic theory having been implemented the Republicans have demonstrated a complete disinterest in balancing budgets and curtailing spending and borrowing. That's just a fact. They are not interested in fiscal responsibility they want to control the stream of federal revenue so they can siphon it toward the special interest groups that dominate their party. It is a simple strategy. Borrow the government into insolvency, pocket as much of the money that is borrowed then leave the people with the bill. It is not unlike the vulture capitalism that Romney engaged in as the head of Bain capital. There is just a LOT more money to be made. If you end up with a weak, and bankrupt government at the end of it all, so much the better since government is really the only balance against Laissez fair capitalism. Ever since the New Deal (maybe even the square deal forty years previous) the plutocracy of this country has yearned for the days when they controlled all aspects of the economy. They don't like the fact you get weekends off or sick time or a pension they salivate at the opportunity of going back to the "good old days" when the American worker had 60 to 80 hour work weeks no ability to organize and no rights guaranteed to them. This is what they are on the verge of accomplishing and what they have fought so much for. You and me we are their enemy because it is us, the American people who are the greatest threat to their desire to concentrate wealth as much as possible. Not China not Terrorism, us. They have been waging a silent civil war against us. And I am afraid to say, they have been winning.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
136. Howdy & welcome to DU!
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:06 AM
Oct 2012

Couldn't agree more. They love the debt when it benefits them. Hate it when it benefits the least among us. Apparently the US was another in a long line of noble experiments. Considering all the good people that have died and fought to get the human race this far, it seems a shame to flush it all down the toilet in a couple hundred years for higher dividends and the love of money. But here we are. They love to scream about the monetary debt burden on future generations but never on the one debt that really matters, environmental debt. Corporations, crony capitalists, Wall St and all its supporters would rather future generations be flush with credit than have a sustainable ecosystem. Using it all up now to create little reality bubbles that insulate them from the irreparable damage they are doing on a daily basis. Convincing themselves they are important when future generations will know them as selfish & immoral monsters who used it all up for themselves knowing full well what it meant for them.

Liberal1975

(87 posts)
140. Amen
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:26 PM
Oct 2012

Thank you for the welcome. I agree it is easy to forget (how I don't know, maybe it's just too scary) that as bad as these corporate scumbags are the danger they pose is infinitesimal to the danger we are walking into with our irresponsible stewardship of the planet. It is the only thing ALL global leaders should be discussing, with their people and with each other. But of course climate change is a myth...blah, blah, blah. It reminds me of one of my favorite sayings:

Only when the last tree has been cut down; Only when the last river has been poisoned; Only when the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.  

Leave it up to the Native Americans to dish out the wisdom. It's to bad no one is listening.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
65. X_X says this right before a disaster?
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:44 PM
Oct 2012

FEMA wasn't exactly very moral back in Bush's time. Alot better off now.. FEMA drives jobs idiot. Think there's this warm place under my basement waiting for him someday..

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
66. His response is completely understandable
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:47 PM
Oct 2012

When you realize that Mormons are very heavily involved in businesses selling disaster supplies. If the government gives this away, the Mormons can't profiteer.

NYtoBush-Drop Dead

(490 posts)
73. This is a perfect time to be playing the tape
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 05:05 PM
Oct 2012

of this clown saying how immoral it is... with the biggest storm ever seen by the US, poised to strike. What I find Immoral is that this doofus keeps his money in the Caymans and Switzerland, that he wont release his tax returns so that we can see if he partook of the amnesty in 2009 for tax cheats... that's what's immoral.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
74. I have heard conservatives whine about the scope of the federal government....
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 05:08 PM
Oct 2012

They think the Postal Service, prisons, highways, disaster, essentially everything should be privatized.

Hell they don't even think the nation's defense should be executed by the military...maybe a few generals and colonels at the Pentagon but otherwise not just use paid mercenaries like the former Blackwater?

They really don't understand that there are some things that only government can do.

Heaven help us is Mittens is elected. I have already told my financial guy to prepare an exit strategy for January 2013 when I move away and take my retirement savings with me, possibly never to return.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
78. Ya got that? All you coastal RED STATES?
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 05:19 PM
Oct 2012

FEMA is immoral.

Clumsy maybe, redundant sometimes, feckless at others... but "immoral"?

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
83. Almost all of the "tornado states" are red
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 05:42 PM
Oct 2012

Including Oklahoma and Kansas...they howl whenever an emergency declaration from the feds is denied but they would rather vote from Romney than a Black man. Makes no darn sense why people vote against their own interests.

sakabatou

(42,165 posts)
85. And then Jesus facepalmed
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 05:47 PM
Oct 2012
?w=510

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me (Matthew 25:40)."

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
86. I get it Mittens, It is ok for you to forgo any Federal disadster relief but
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 05:50 PM
Oct 2012

rest of us, who may suffer a disastrous loss, can just tough it out and try to survive. You are my former governor, I didn't like you then, I can't stand you now. You would get my vote over my dead body.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
91. Oh, you can't hold him to positions he held months ago. He's entitled to change his opinion
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 06:07 PM
Oct 2012

as it suits him. If it's good enough for the little woman, it's good enough for him.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
94. What we can ask ourselves is, "How will it play in Peoria?".
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 06:24 PM
Oct 2012

My answer, is not well. Not well at all......at least not for Romney/Ryan. On the other hand, if the Prez decides to use this(if he gets the chance), it could very well be one of those things that spells the end for the Gopper ticket.

 

kooljerk666

(776 posts)
99. I sent the LINK to Bill Press Show & Stephanie Miller Show..........
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 07:04 PM
Oct 2012

Seeing as many swing states should be getting hammered by tomorrow AM this is great material for all news teams NOT working for Rmoney & KKKrew.

I live in a SE PA & the storm center is gonna pass within 50 miles of our home, I got 5000 watt generator 15 gallons of gas, siphon hose for getting gas out of car gas tanks (if neccessary) & lots of rechargeable batteries charging now & extra propane for the grill.

Our hot water heater is hard wired into the fuse box so that may be a problem, in a week or so I usually start to smell a little..........

I have not had an electrician set up the home wiring system for a generator yet, so for many safety reasons we will be running off extension cords.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
100. Only borrow when I might make money off the project.
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 07:30 PM
Oct 2012

COOL: Borrowing for wars that will cost us now,
cost us lives,
cost us down the road to help the wounded, and
cost us more to repay BECAUSE I'LL MAKE A TON OF MONEY OFF ALL THAT.

BAD: Borrowing to jumpstart the economy that will make wages higher (NOOOOOOO),
by reducing unemployment (NOOOOOO),
government programs that will save us all money (NOOOOOO, that's hurts the wallet!),
rebuilding destroyed areas (NOOOOOO, make them move to lower paying areas). BECAUSE I CAN'T MAKE MONEY OFF ALL THAT.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
101. what's immoral is pushing anti-science global warming denial to futher your financial interests
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 07:32 PM
Oct 2012

over the health of the planet and then being a complete douche and blaming the victim

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
102. Ooooh, this quote could leave a mark ...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 07:50 PM
Oct 2012

"Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better."

So he's totally fine with gov't money going to the private sector, but not to individuals for food, housing, health care or education.
Talk about a welfare queen!!!


airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
104. Oh great so now if you are rescued by a private FEMA.....
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 08:24 PM
Oct 2012

You get billed some ridiculous amount and they go after all your assets just like you had a heart attack and a private hospital treated you. It isn't going to be long before there are 10 million homeless in the streets and another 10 million seeing their fate to join them really soon. Then these people are going to start buying guns and start shooting. There will not be anything better to look forward to. I can also see people refusing help rather than being screwed. This country is headed toward being a heartless wild west survival of the richest.
JMHO

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
107. How can someone who appears to be the same size as most other humans...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 08:59 PM
Oct 2012

be such a huge fucking asshole?

What is immoral is that fucker being a few votes away from leading this country to hell in a hand basket. What a fucking asshole. I can't stand Romney.

ecstatic

(32,720 posts)
112. Everyone's having a good laugh
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 10:10 PM
Oct 2012

My response is more panic that this a$$hole is so close to being installed in the White House.

Gus2525

(68 posts)
114. They must make an ad to run during and after the storm
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 10:18 PM
Oct 2012

Theymust show this clip along with Cantor saying no Federal help without offsets. Devastating punch to both.

ecstatic

(32,720 posts)
117. I would like that, but the media isn't on our side
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 10:22 PM
Oct 2012

They would say he's politicizing a catastrophe/tragedy, etc. Even though robme is currently doing that with Libya.

Gus2525

(68 posts)
115. They must make an ad to run during and after the storm
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 10:19 PM
Oct 2012

Theymust show this clip along with Cantor saying no Federal help without offsets. Devastating punch to both.

tblue37

(65,457 posts)
121. That little gem should be made to go viral, so the
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 11:31 PM
Oct 2012

people in Sandy's path know that if Money Boo Boo is elected, they can expect NO help from the government.

Most people realize that these 100-year and 500-year natural disasters are occurring pretty darned often these days. Even global warming deniers know disasters are more frequent--they just deny that they are caused by global warming.

With that general awareness so widespread, these people should all be made to hear about this little comment of Romney's.

Spread the word!

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
122. Who is that stupid...?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:00 AM
Oct 2012

To say something like that right before we are about to experience one of the most powerful hurricanes on record! HEY EAST COAST....YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN!

 

Stewland

(163 posts)
123. And his greed knows no boundary
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:14 AM
Oct 2012

He wants to give more tax cuts to richest people and tax the rest of us He wants to increase the military budget by two trillion and yet providing for the common good is not of interest to him.Why not impose a carbon tax? This would reduce use of carbon fuels and increase solar and wind and wave sources of energy and the monies collected could be used to provide assistance when the weather turns ugly. And this clueless man only wants us to use more coal and gas.
He just is not into humanity and it shows.

 
127. .
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:35 AM
Oct 2012

Perhaps he is taking a page out of Mother Teresa's belief book - people's suffering brings them closer to God.




So, Mitt Romney is like Mother Teresa. He too has mysterious money issues!

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
131. I bet his tune will be different this week.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:18 AM
Oct 2012

The Etch-A-Sketch Romney will be all about compassion this week following the storm.

Count on it!!!!!

 

kooljerk666

(776 posts)
133. Bill Press & Stepanie Miller is giving this a lot of attention......
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:11 AM
Oct 2012

Last edited Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:29 AM - Edit history (1)

and I believe he said the "twitterverse" was exploding.

It appears this is getting serious attention & with power outages coming I hope enuff people realize who don't give a rats ass about you, your family or anything but money.


EDIT AD
Stephanie Millers Jackie Schechmer is covering this at about 9:05 am, I expect national coverage.

I would send this to every DEM mayor in a disaster zone, which means thousands of mayor can challenge rmoneys ideas over the next few days/weeks!

end edit

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
134. If he thinks aid is "immoral", then he's amoral
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:45 AM
Oct 2012

Really, there's no compassion in him, period.

He's a pure, unadulterated sociopath.

Jim__

(14,082 posts)
139. Obama needs to make an ad on this.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:56 AM
Oct 2012

That stupidity, coupled with the current potential disaster, should be enough to finish romney.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
144. Romney's world is like a serious non-comedic version of the Addams Family
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:38 PM
Oct 2012

where everything dark and horrific is beautiful, everything nice is scary, and everything compassionate and humane is immoral.

 

bigregg4838

(92 posts)
145. And the hits just keep on comin'. Makes you wonder: Do people really care (those voting 4 Romney)?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:51 PM
Oct 2012

C R A Z Y !!!!! The man passionately embraced the extreme right's ideology (from the start), then began to shift slightly to the center (while clinging on to the far right), and finally, weeks before the election, the man is progressive. #WOW

Liberal1975

(87 posts)
147. People Voting for Romney...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 01:46 PM
Oct 2012

So...sitting here thinking a bout how in the hell it is possible Mitt Romney isn't losing this election by Clinton/Dole numbers. Let's face the truth, in the immortal words of Chris Rock:


"If it's all white, it's all right!"

A candidate who has visibly changed his position on every major issue. (remember how John Kerry was crucified for changing his mind on one issue?) he says he will cut taxes for the rich then he says he won't then he says he might. But hey!

"If it's all white, it's all right!"

A candidate who has the everyman charm of a George HW Bush. A plutocrat so out of touch he thinks a "middle" income is 250,000 dollars a year. (remember how the first Bush was blasted for not knowing the price of a gallon of milk?) but hey!

"If it's all white, it's all right!"

A man who literally made millions destroying American jobs, raiding pension funds and destroying viable companies. While moving those he saved to China as a "pioneer" of outsourcing but...hey

"If it's all white, it's all right!"

A candidate who has not provided one single detail on his plan to "save" the economy from the recovery it is currently experiencing except that he is awesome and everyone gets a pony. But hey!

"If it's all white, it's all right!"

Finally a guy who is so ignorant he doesn't even know that Iran has its own access to the sea. Who stepped in his own feces picked it up and rubbed it on his face in the second debate when he was caught lying in front of 60 million people. And who in the first debate provided only one solid policy decision, to de-fund PBS. Three debates, three "gaffes" but is he down in the polls? Nope. Because in this country:

"If it's all white, it's all right!"

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
148. Here is our story on this, posted in an area with a half million who evacuated during wildfires:
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:54 PM
Oct 2012
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/11541

Thousands lost homes in 2003 and 2007; the latter firestorms had more evacuations than Katrina. Our site had 150,000 visits last month....I think readers in our wildfire-prone area may find that Romney's appeal is losing its luster.

rks306

(116 posts)
150. Making Profit
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:22 AM
Oct 2012

Their are somethings that ought not be profitized. But CEO wouldn't understand. Every time we get a so called business man the White House it turns out to be a failure.

Dina

(6 posts)
151. And now Rmoney says FEMA is needed...this is because
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:58 AM
Oct 2012

he now just realized that his mansions might get hurt along the east coast.

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