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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,975 posts)
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:49 PM Mar 2022

Exclusive-U.S. assesses up to 60% failure rate for some Russian missiles, officials say

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States assesses that Russia is suffering failure rates as high as 60% for some of the precision-guided missiles it is using to attack Ukraine, three U.S. officials with knowledge of the intelligence told Reuters.

The disclosure could help explain why Russia has failed to achieve what most could consider basic objectives since its invasion a month ago, such as neutralizing Ukraine's air force, despite the apparent strength of its military against Ukraine's much smaller armed forces.

The U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the information, did not provide evidence to support the assessment and did not disclose what precisely was driving high Russian missile failure rates.

Reuters was unable to independently verify the figures.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exclusive-u-s-assesses-up-to-60-failure-rate-for-some-russian-missiles-officials-say/ar-AAVsGHu

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Exclusive-U.S. assesses up to 60% failure rate for some Russian missiles, officials say (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 OP
Same with their nuke arsenal most likely. Oligarchs, generals and RU mafia stole money ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #1
On Top Of That... ProfessorGAC Mar 2022 #5
Just An Antiquarian's Note, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2022 #13
We've Got 70 Years Of Design Expertise... ProfessorGAC Mar 2022 #15
The Things Were Simpler Then, As Well The Magistrate Mar 2022 #19
Good bet some of that missile money went into a yacht. tanyev Mar 2022 #2
The funding for maintenance was misdirected. LiberalFighter Mar 2022 #3
LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #7
More proof Putin has Potemkin-ized the Russian military. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2022 #4
Seems like Putin's "all the best people"... jcgoldie Mar 2022 #6
Russian equipment has the reputation of being subpar Kaleva Mar 2022 #8
Like their ugly cars poli-junkie Mar 2022 #9
That was my experience back in the mid 90's MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #10
I have two brothers familiar with Russian military aircraft Kaleva Mar 2022 #14
Here's a photo of one their "hypersonic missiles" that was launched the other day relayerbob Mar 2022 #11
That missile should be sent to the United States. roamer65 Mar 2022 #12
Why? ProfessorGAC Mar 2022 #16
So we know to defeat it's electronics, for one thing relayerbob Mar 2022 #17
We Likely Already Do ProfessorGAC Mar 2022 #20
We should never pass up an opportunity to study potential enemy equipment NutmegYankee Mar 2022 #18

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
1. Same with their nuke arsenal most likely. Oligarchs, generals and RU mafia stole money ...
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:52 PM
Mar 2022

... supposed to be used for ongoing maintenance for some bullshit.

Lets say they didn't for the nuclear arsenal, I don't trust the Russians not to screw up the maintenance of the missiles.

ProfessorGAC

(65,035 posts)
5. On Top Of That...
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:56 PM
Mar 2022

...there has long been suspicions that a 10-20% "did" rate has been considered success, for decades.
During the cold war, it may have been higher than 20%.
With that starting point, corruptly diverting just a little maintenance could make that value skyrocket. (Pun acknowledged, but not intended.)
Weapons designers have believed, at least since early 70s, that the USSR built quantity because they never believed in their own quality. Especially on the nuclear side.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
13. Just An Antiquarian's Note, Sir
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:24 PM
Mar 2022

During the Second World War, 'dud' rates typically ran about fifteen to twenty percent. Old stocks, like in the Philippines in '42, ran to about one in three, but the stuff dated back more than twenty years.

ProfessorGAC

(65,035 posts)
15. We've Got 70 Years Of Design Expertise...
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:42 PM
Mar 2022

...and much better base technology.
Did rates are nothing close to those values and haven't been for decades.
Weapons designers expect our nuclear arsenal to have a >95% chance of every nuclear warhead would function.
Any design that jeopardized that standard would never go into production.
In addition, in WWII, our best weapons manufacturing personnel went to war. A huge percentage of the workforce took a couple years to get to the high competency that was sacrificed.
It's only natural during such a learning curve, that some categories of weapons would be less reliable than others.
But, your point is taken.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
19. The Things Were Simpler Then, As Well
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:14 PM
Mar 2022

I expect even fuses are a bit more complex, and there's so much more to fail with a missile and warhead. I don't think the claimed failure rate unthinkable.






OAITW r.2.0

(24,469 posts)
4. More proof Putin has Potemkin-ized the Russian military.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:55 PM
Mar 2022

You don't find $750MM USD for a pleasure craft or a $1BB luxury dacha without diverting money from somewhere.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,375 posts)
10. That was my experience back in the mid 90's
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:15 PM
Mar 2022

when we liaised with their equivalent of combat engineers, their equipment, at least that they didn't sell for booze/drugs, was in piss poor shape and they didn't seem to give a damn.

Kaleva

(36,299 posts)
14. I have two brothers familiar with Russian military aircraft
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:37 PM
Mar 2022

Both consider RU aircraft to be junk. At least when compared to Western military aircraft.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
11. Here's a photo of one their "hypersonic missiles" that was launched the other day
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:15 PM
Mar 2022

Seems it preferred taking a nap in a forest




ProfessorGAC

(65,035 posts)
16. Why?
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:45 PM
Mar 2022

The US has tactical missile that fly above Mach 5. Their technology isn't unique to their war industry.
There'll be nothing on that missile that would teach weapons designers a thing.
The media hyped up some of their tech, but "vacuum bombs" (a really dumb moniker) and hypersonic missiles are nothing new.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
17. So we know to defeat it's electronics, for one thing
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:50 PM
Mar 2022

Jam, redirect, or disable the arming and detonation systems would make it utterly useless. Beyond that, I agree.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
18. We should never pass up an opportunity to study potential enemy equipment
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:57 PM
Mar 2022

If even just to get an understanding of their design philosophy.

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