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So how the hell did Thomas get away with.... (Original Post) Kingofalldems Mar 2022 OP
I read that SCOTUS more or less has an "honor system" viva la Mar 2022 #1
Or any of the other republicon scumbags. FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #23
it's up to a Supreme Court Justice to recuse themselves drray23 Mar 2022 #2
I realize that but he could have at least said something. Kingofalldems Mar 2022 #3
The Supreme Court doesn't have rules of conduct that require recusal, Ocelot II Mar 2022 #4
I don't think anyone would have imagined that there'd be so much corruption in the SC Poiuyt Mar 2022 #18
We're full of loop holes in this country. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #5
When someone is a known serial sexual harasser and is put on the DURHAM D Mar 2022 #6
The other Justices most likely didn't know about the text messages. madaboutharry Mar 2022 #7
He's a man with absolutely no honor. Kingofalldems Mar 2022 #10
I know. madaboutharry Mar 2022 #14
Corruption by a conservative is considered good and admirable. Kablooie Mar 2022 #8
CORRECT Skittles Mar 2022 #12
Thomas has pointed out a real problem. TomSlick Mar 2022 #9
👆👆 Agreed. crickets Mar 2022 #15
Roberts has to decide whether going along with his right flank TomSlick Mar 2022 #17
Yep. Doing nothing and hoping things blow over is his MO. No spine at all. nt crickets Mar 2022 #19
Well, Robert's can believe that all he wants, but unless he's willing Volaris Mar 2022 #21
Norms and honor systems Mz Pip Mar 2022 #24
I will say this again Evergreen Emerald Mar 2022 #11
Does anyone know if he is Opus Dei? Kingofalldems Mar 2022 #13
I have read that he is, and also Alito and (formerly) Scalia. Ocelot II Mar 2022 #20
Roberts needs to talk him into retiring blueinredohio Mar 2022 #16
I am still trying to figure out Meowmee Mar 2022 #22

viva la

(3,286 posts)
1. I read that SCOTUS more or less has an "honor system"
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:25 PM
Mar 2022

Justices have to choose to recuse themselves if there's a conflict.
Of course, an honor system only works with people of honor, and we know that's not Thomas.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
2. it's up to a Supreme Court Justice to recuse themselves
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:25 PM
Mar 2022

they can't be made to do so even by the chief justice.

Ocelot II

(115,676 posts)
4. The Supreme Court doesn't have rules of conduct that require recusal,
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:29 PM
Mar 2022

even though the lower federal courts do. Other justices, even conservative ones, have recused themselves voluntarily to avoid the appearance of impropriety (or actual impropriety) - even Rehnquist, who was one of the court's worst, most biased justices, recused himself from the Nixon tapes case because he'd worked in Nixon's White House in the OLC. But Thomas hasn't done it won't do it even though his wife is right in the middle of the 1/6 plot.

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
18. I don't think anyone would have imagined that there'd be so much corruption in the SC
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:15 PM
Mar 2022

Or in the other branches of government, really.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
6. When someone is a known serial sexual harasser and is put on the
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:30 PM
Mar 2022

bench anyway he knows he can get by with anything.

madaboutharry

(40,208 posts)
7. The other Justices most likely didn't know about the text messages.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:30 PM
Mar 2022

Also, we don’t know what conversations may have taken place concerning Ginni Thomas’ activities.

Regardless, this scandal certainly further sullies the court. The Supreme Court is now officially a corrupt cesspool.

madaboutharry

(40,208 posts)
14. I know.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:42 PM
Mar 2022

We knew that when he angrily called his confirmation hearing “A high tech lynching” and instead of owning his shame for his own behavior, chose to shame others for trying to hold him accountable.

And Ginni Thomas is a horrible person all on her own.

Kablooie

(18,626 posts)
8. Corruption by a conservative is considered good and admirable.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:36 PM
Mar 2022

The more you can get away with, the greater you are respected.

Only corruption by Democrats is considered wrong.
For Republicans it is a badge of honor.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
12. CORRECT
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:38 PM
Mar 2022

repukes are treated like white men, Dems are treated like woman and POC

higher standard are SOP for Democrats

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
9. Thomas has pointed out a real problem.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:37 PM
Mar 2022

There is no code of ethics binding on the Supreme Court. The decision whether to recuse is strictly left with the individual justice. This has never been a problem because justices were honorable people. This is yet another example of what happens when the country relies on norms and not laws.

The problem is that only the Court can impose a set of judicial rules on itself, which seems unlikely. The Supreme Court is established by the Constitution, while the other federal courts are established by Congress. As a result, while Congress can impose ethics rules on the lower federal courts, it cannot impose rules on the Supreme Court.

crickets

(25,962 posts)
15. 👆👆 Agreed.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:07 PM
Mar 2022

Norms and the honor system are not always enough. Some of the children on the bench really do need rules to keep them coloring inside the lines, but the Supreme Court (Roberts in particular) doesn't want them.

https://thehill.com/regulation/administration/587848-roberts-calls-for-judicial-independence-in-year-end-report

Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts called for judicial independence in his annual year-end report on the federal judiciary, saying it is crucial to maintaining public trust in the courts.

"The Judiciary’s power to manage its internal affairs insulates courts from inappropriate political influence and is crucial to preserving public trust in its work as a separate and coequal branch of government," Roberts wrote in his 2021 year-end report on the federal judiciary, which was released on Friday.


What public trust? It's pretty well trashed these days, and Roberts' argument is a load of hogwash. "Independence" does not mean there is no need for codified norms, which (as you point out) the Court could impose upon itself. Voluntarily imposing ethics rules upon themselves might do some good in reestablishing trust with the public. This would have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with ethics, but Roberts chooses to ignore that.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
17. Roberts has to decide whether going along with his right flank
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:12 PM
Mar 2022

is more important than the Court's credibility.

My bet is he does nothing.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
21. Well, Robert's can believe that all he wants, but unless he's willing
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:55 PM
Mar 2022

to set up an internal process, his belief is mostly nonsense.

There should be a SC legal Ave for someone to file a recusal request, present their evidence to the other members NOT in question, and then let them decide by majority vote, minus the Chief.

Mz Pip

(27,439 posts)
24. Norms and honor systems
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 10:07 PM
Mar 2022

are only for people who respect norms and honor systems. Thomas cares only about his power and screwing liberals.

Roberts really has no power over Thomas so having a nice chat with him would be useless. Thomas would laugh in his face.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
11. I will say this again
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:38 PM
Mar 2022

I know I am considered a conspiracy theorist with a tinfoil hat....but here goes:

There is an all encompassing plan to destroy our democracy. They are permeating every level of our government from the clerks who refuse to give marriage licenses, to the election officials who attempt to overturn our elections, to governors who refuse to protect their citizens, to the Supreme Court, to the Congresses (state and federal) and even to the Presidency.
And, to the fourth branch of government...the media who is designed to protect our democracy.

We are not fighting enough.

Ocelot II

(115,676 posts)
20. I have read that he is, and also Alito and (formerly) Scalia.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:36 PM
Mar 2022

Their membership isn't publicized but that's the rumor.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
22. I am still trying to figure out
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:58 PM
Mar 2022

How he was nominated and confirmed. The sc has been a joke since they anointed w.

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