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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo how the hell did Thomas get away with....
not recusing himself? Did any SCers even say something to him?
This is blatant corruption.
viva la
(3,286 posts)Justices have to choose to recuse themselves if there's a conflict.
Of course, an honor system only works with people of honor, and we know that's not Thomas.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)drray23
(7,627 posts)they can't be made to do so even by the chief justice.
Kingofalldems
(38,451 posts)Ocelot II
(115,676 posts)even though the lower federal courts do. Other justices, even conservative ones, have recused themselves voluntarily to avoid the appearance of impropriety (or actual impropriety) - even Rehnquist, who was one of the court's worst, most biased justices, recused himself from the Nixon tapes case because he'd worked in Nixon's White House in the OLC. But Thomas hasn't done it won't do it even though his wife is right in the middle of the 1/6 plot.
Poiuyt
(18,122 posts)Or in the other branches of government, really.
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)bench anyway he knows he can get by with anything.
madaboutharry
(40,208 posts)Also, we dont know what conversations may have taken place concerning Ginni Thomas activities.
Regardless, this scandal certainly further sullies the court. The Supreme Court is now officially a corrupt cesspool.
Kingofalldems
(38,451 posts)madaboutharry
(40,208 posts)We knew that when he angrily called his confirmation hearing A high tech lynching and instead of owning his shame for his own behavior, chose to shame others for trying to hold him accountable.
And Ginni Thomas is a horrible person all on her own.
Kablooie
(18,626 posts)The more you can get away with, the greater you are respected.
Only corruption by Democrats is considered wrong.
For Republicans it is a badge of honor.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)repukes are treated like white men, Dems are treated like woman and POC
higher standard are SOP for Democrats
TomSlick
(11,097 posts)There is no code of ethics binding on the Supreme Court. The decision whether to recuse is strictly left with the individual justice. This has never been a problem because justices were honorable people. This is yet another example of what happens when the country relies on norms and not laws.
The problem is that only the Court can impose a set of judicial rules on itself, which seems unlikely. The Supreme Court is established by the Constitution, while the other federal courts are established by Congress. As a result, while Congress can impose ethics rules on the lower federal courts, it cannot impose rules on the Supreme Court.
crickets
(25,962 posts)Norms and the honor system are not always enough. Some of the children on the bench really do need rules to keep them coloring inside the lines, but the Supreme Court (Roberts in particular) doesn't want them.
https://thehill.com/regulation/administration/587848-roberts-calls-for-judicial-independence-in-year-end-report
"The Judiciarys power to manage its internal affairs insulates courts from inappropriate political influence and is crucial to preserving public trust in its work as a separate and coequal branch of government," Roberts wrote in his 2021 year-end report on the federal judiciary, which was released on Friday.
What public trust? It's pretty well trashed these days, and Roberts' argument is a load of hogwash. "Independence" does not mean there is no need for codified norms, which (as you point out) the Court could impose upon itself. Voluntarily imposing ethics rules upon themselves might do some good in reestablishing trust with the public. This would have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with ethics, but Roberts chooses to ignore that.
TomSlick
(11,097 posts)is more important than the Court's credibility.
My bet is he does nothing.
crickets
(25,962 posts)Volaris
(10,270 posts)to set up an internal process, his belief is mostly nonsense.
There should be a SC legal Ave for someone to file a recusal request, present their evidence to the other members NOT in question, and then let them decide by majority vote, minus the Chief.
Mz Pip
(27,439 posts)are only for people who respect norms and honor systems. Thomas cares only about his power and screwing liberals.
Roberts really has no power over Thomas so having a nice chat with him would be useless. Thomas would laugh in his face.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)I know I am considered a conspiracy theorist with a tinfoil hat....but here goes:
There is an all encompassing plan to destroy our democracy. They are permeating every level of our government from the clerks who refuse to give marriage licenses, to the election officials who attempt to overturn our elections, to governors who refuse to protect their citizens, to the Supreme Court, to the Congresses (state and federal) and even to the Presidency.
And, to the fourth branch of government...the media who is designed to protect our democracy.
We are not fighting enough.
Kingofalldems
(38,451 posts)Ocelot II
(115,676 posts)Their membership isn't publicized but that's the rumor.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Meowmee
(5,164 posts)How he was nominated and confirmed. The sc has been a joke since they anointed w.