Shout out to Eugene Robinson!

[bluesbassman]

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Was listening to MSNBC on they way to work today and Joe had Bob Woodward on discussing the reporting he and Costa have done on the Thomas/Meadows sedition. Pretty good discussion until Bob starts talking about what needs to be done and goes into his both sides shtick. I was listening on the radio and couldn’t see Eugene’s face, but apparently he was looking at Bob like he was speaking in tongues. When given his chance to rebut Woodward, Robinson was having none of it, and laid out how claiming that the left was guilty of wanting things only their way was a false dichotomy when it comes to overthrowing the government. Pretty much stopped Woodward in his tracks.

Wish more talking heads could be more like Eugene.

[spanone]

1. Yes, I saw that bullshit from Woodward. Both sides did not try to overturn an election.

[Walleye]

2. Really, they still can't explain to us why we would want to overturn an election that we won

[WiVoter]

22. Whenever I Hear "Both Sides," The First Thing I Think Of Is

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Charlottesville & and Mango Mousolini.

[lagomorph777]

24. Charlottesville?

I know, from the West coast, all mid-Atlantic towns look the same...

[WiVoter]

39. I Fixed It , Thank You

😊

[lagomorph777]

44. TY!

And obviously, I didn't pay attention to your handle when I snarked. Sorry!

[WiVoter]

48. Not A Problem

😊👍

[wryter2000]

29. Were there two sides to Watergate?

He didn't seem to think so at the time.

[11 Bravo]

42. Yup, it was the Dems fault for using cheap locks. Entrapment!

[wryter2000]

43. Of course

And the Dems had the audacity to run someone against Nixon that year. We were woke enough to think someone else might do a better job.

[True Blue American]

52. Woodward has catered

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To Republicans for years so they would buy his yearly books.

Bernstein was on CNN As soon as the Trump crap hit the fan. I remember CNN asked the pair to be on together. Bernstein did everything but laugh in his face.

Then suddenly Woodward was on the other side with, of course, another book with Robert Costa.

Robinson and Woodward got into a screaming match, as you said because of Woodward’s both sides. I have never seen Robinson angry before.

[wnylib]

59. Robinson is one of my favorite columnists.

Factual and pulls no punches.

[True Blue American]

62. Mine, too

Eugene is a talented Reporter. I am glad he told the truth. Woodward wrupites about Trump but he is still a Republican I was actually surprised that Costa agreed to write a book with him

[wryter2000]

70. I didn't see it

Did Robinson shout? Good for him.

[True Blue American]

71. Here is the clip.

https://images.app.goo.gl/Rn5d32478aEu6H8r8

[wryter2000]

72. Thanks

[Delphinus]

3. Glad

he spoke up! I'm sure he nailed it. I do wonder about Woodward sometimes.

[Joinfortmill]

5. He's a conservative watching his party go mad.

He does report the truth in his books.

[agingdem]

8. Bob does his both sides garbage

so as not to piss off the right…it’s all about access..I’m ok with Bob talking about his books or an investigative piece but he should keep his crappy opinions to himself…thank you Eugene Robinson for shutting up that self serving blowhard…

[Generic Brad]

13. There's never an example of how "both sides" do it

That's the sort of statement "very fine people on both sides" make.

[Rebl2]

15. Same here

I wonder about Woodward too.

[agingdem]

25. Woodward does his both sides schtick to appease the white-wingers

it's all about access..

[vanlassie]

60. Gee, and he's a.... Whatchama call it.... Journalist?

A journalist who isn’t bothered by the truth if it is inconvenient for his bank account. How ‘bout that.

[Joinfortmill]

4. Yup. Robinson was great.

[Laurian]

6. So glad to hear that he responded to Woodward's both sides BS.

I was watching, but changed the channel when Woodward started saying both sides contribute to the current state of political dysfunction.

So damn tired of that false assertion.

[mnhtnbb]

27. The only reason "both" sides contribute to the current state of political dysfunction

is that the Dems refuse to kowtow all the damn time to the Repubs.

[left-of-center2012]

9. I didn't see or hear that, but ...

The last interview I saw of him a couple months ago had me questioning if his age was getting to him; and I say that as someone approaching 80.

[gab13by13]

10. MSNBC (COMCAST)

2 major shareholders -

BlackRock and Vanguard.

MSNBC just passed up the chance to increase its ratings, its viewership, by snubbing Keith Olbermann. This proves my point that cable news isn't just in it for the money, clicks, it's in it to promote the right wing agenda.

[underpants]

12. Stephanie Miller should have gotten the morning time slot

when Imus got fired.

Period. She’s everything you could want as an on air News personality. When Joe got it - from his nowhere middle of Saturday afternoon show - that told me everything I needed to know. I like his show but Stephanie would have been a liberal sending people out for the day with an actual different take on this. Can’t have that now can we?

[PhylliPretzel]

18. Tune in

to Stephanie Miller on Free Speech TV every week-day morning.

[OMGWTF]

20. Stephanie has the best guests. Plus, she is hilarious.

[erronis]

14. And really just one to rule them all. Vanguard.

https://www.conservativebusinessjournal.com/2021/11/blackrock-and-vanguard-the-two-headed-thing-that-ate-america/

The top of this financial mountain shows almost everything is owned Vanguard and BlackRock. As Lew Rockwell points out, “The power of these two companies is beyond your imagination. Not only do they own a large part of the stocks of nearly all big companies but also the stocks of the investors in those companies. This gives them a complete monopoly.”

But reaching the top of this mountain only serves to make matters murkier. BlackRock is a publicly traded company which lists Vanguard as its principal shareholder. And who owns Vanguard? No one really knows since it is privately owned and is not obliged to make a public disclosure of its owners.

Vanguard and BlackRock represent the 1% of the 1% who have garnered 82% of the world’s wealth. The value of these companies is beyond calculation. A Bloomberg report states that the two companies by 2028 together will have investments in the amount of 20 trillion dollars.

At present, they own 1,600 American companies, including most of the firms that constitute the S & P’s Fortune 500. They also own Big Pharma, including the firms that provide the coronavirus vaccines.

[progressoid]

45. the Conservative Business Journal?

The Conservative Business Journal is a media outlet (online/offline) that provides Real News to the American people on business, politics, and other current topics impacting our nation. These Real News updates are written by founders, John & Christie Di Lemme, their team, and community of contributors that strongly support the Conservative Movement in America.

John Di Lemme also exposes the Real News as a powerhouse speaker who is uncompromising on his conservative values and passionate about empowering We The People to stand up & take America back!

[erronis]

49. I know - it's weird. I included them because of WTF? There were many other refs.

[progressoid]

51. Unfortunately everything out there about this

smells of conspiracy theory. They all use vague references that give the appearance of validity. However, there is no smoking gun.

[True Blue American]

63. They have a new leader.

Now we are getting Skycast early in the morning. But they still lean right.

CNN is changing for the better. I actually think Kasie Hunt and David Gregory would make a great team. They were on with Brianna and John Bergman. And I love those 2.

I had just tuned in when Woodward and Robinson were on. I heard Robinson raise his voice, so unusual.

[Duppers]

11. Sad that Woodward's becoming senile.

Costa must've done most of the writing, using Woodward's fame to attract more sales...this was published not too long ago.

[Old Okie]

16. Eugene

Yes, I was happy to see him push back and that Joe joined it. I don't know how Woodward could even bring up the issue. Has he become more conservative in old age (happens to some I understand). No Democrats I know are engaged in a holy war (jihad) against Republicans. Republicans are the one's saying the only good democrat is a dead democrat (stolen from their hero Andrew Johnson) and when the wife of a supreme court justice is saying Democrats will be taken to GITMO for trial and presumably killed for treason. We have to be clear about who were the traitors trying to overthrow our democracy and install a Putin puppet on the throne.

[PatSeg]

26. Woodward was always quite conservative

It was Bernstein who was liberal. More than being a conservative, Woodward has a huge ego. All the Watergate success went to his head and I think he has never come down to earth since. Meanwhile, he plays both sides so he can maintain access in DC. In the process, he's lost a lot of journalistic integrity and objectivity.

[True Blue American]

64. Meanwhile Bernstein is still

A great investigative reporter!

[PatSeg]

65. Yes, he truly is

Bernstein is a down-to-earth authentic journalist.

[True Blue American]

66. 100%

Bernstein was Omni to Trump from the beginning.

[PatSeg]

69. He certainly was

While at the same time Woodward was kissing up to right-wingers to get access. He did end up with some revealing books, but his motivation seemed more self-glorification, rather than hard-hitting investigative journalism. He is often good at what he does, but his integrity is questionable, which can seriously diminish the relevance of his work.

[Evolve Dammit]

30. well said. Woodward: Who are you?? That was pure BS and glad they called him out. Welcome!

[Maine Abu El Banat]

17. They could!

If they were as intelligent as Eugene.

[CTyankee]

19. Robinson did this to Mika once and got her stopped in her tracks!

He said very gently "You do this, Mika..." and continued, quietly but firmly. She learned her lesson from him, I believe. He quietly, but firmly, stopped her in her "both side-ism." She really did look ashamed of herself!

[Snackshack]

21. Woodward

Is a disgrace and I have lost all respect I had for him. He sat silent knowing that DT lied about how deadly COVID was. He fucking had DT on tape admitting to lying about it because DT wanted to “play it down”.
He should have released that tape so people would know the real danger had he done that perhaps we would have not just passed 1 million Americans who have died from COVID-19.

[Evolve Dammit]

31. Agree 100%

[PatSeg]

23. Yes, there was another post this morning about Woodward

and his tedious bothsiderisms. Apparently Bob doesn't want to lose access in DC and tries very hard to play both sides. It is so obvious and is getting really old already.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216522873

[Evolve Dammit]

32. Sold soul apparently. It was painful to watch. Of course he cited no examples. Shell of former self?

[PatSeg]

36. Or maybe we've overinflated his "former self"?

He's always been a conservative with a rather large ego. The success of the Watergate investigation may have obscured who he really was, that and being played by Robert Redford in "All the President's Men". I read a Watergate follow-up book of his some years ago and a lot of his self-absorbed personality came through, changing my view of him a great deal. Overall the book was redundant and forgettable, but his over-sized ego was memorable.

Bob often appears to be about selling himself more than the story, which makes his objectivity questionable.

[Evolve Dammit]

37. I never saw him so waffley and only concerned about bringing rhetoric down. Seemed odd and I am no

expert on what may be the cause. He's no spring chicken, but something I hadn't seen from him before.

[PatSeg]

41. I haven't seen him on Morning Joe yet

I had it recorded, I'm going to watch it now. I wonder if he is working on some project where he feels he has to play both sides in order to get continued access or as you suggest, it could be age related. I'll comment further after I see the segment.

[Ilsa]

28. I had not gotten to yhat part of the program, but my husband heard

it on Sirius while driving. He was pleased that Eugene R & Joe shut down the "both sides do it" campaign. No, Bob, both sides didn't try to actively overturn an election. Both sides did not literally shit on the capital and threaten to kill the Speaker and the VP.

BW might still be able to pen news articles eloquently, but his attitude is borderline equivocation.

[Evolve Dammit]

33. Reading Ginny Thomas texts to Meadows, it's damn clear what they wanted to do. Arrest them please.

Sedition and Conspiracy. What does it take?

[uponit7771]

35. +1,

[Ilsa]

47. The only defense is insanity. Eugene Robinson called her a wingnut.

But arrest them, please.

[Evolve Dammit]

50. She represents a lot of Q, Tea Baggers, and who knows what else. She needs to be cuffed and stuffed.

Meadows does too, perhaps even more urgently. FBI/DOJ is being restrained IMHO. That has to come from the top.

[True Blue American]

67. I just caught the last part.

A Democratic friend called, said Woodward made sense. I then had a chance to watch the video, sent it to her. I know Eugene from his writing how he thinks. 100% right!

Woodward has become sleazy to keep his books selling. He knew about Ginni Thomas, covered it up!

[LymphocyteLover]

34. Seriously! Nothing pisses me off more these days than the fucking BOTH SIDES argument

[Elwood P Dowd]

38. I have found a few video clips from the show, but not the one where Eugene kicks Woodward's ass.

Here is one where Joe goes off on the Thomas/Medows sedition. Joe starts his rant at about the 4 minute mark....

[Glaisne]

40. Both sides

don't try to overturn an election
don't storm and trash the capitol and assault officers
don't lie about the election results
don't spread disinformation during a pandemic
don't try to kidnap and kill a sitting governor
don't burn down black churches
don't hold nazi rallies and try to run over counter-protesters
don't call for a Civil War

[Ohioboy]

56. Exactly!

[Martin68]

46. Robinson is one of the Post's best columnists.

[Cha]

53. GD Stupid Bob Woodword! & Thank Goodness

for Eugene Robinson!!

💙💛

[Blue Owl]

55. Fuck Woodward and his "both sides" bullshit

[Skittles]

57. big fan here

LOVE reading his stuff and it's great to catch him on TV segments

[Patton French]

58. Gene Robinson has been one of my favs

For a long time.

[yardwork]

61. How could there be "two sides do it" for Jan 6?

Geez.

[uponit7771]

68. +1, ... Woodward et al need access vs being factual. Its just mindless