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DenaliDemocrat

(1,474 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:07 PM Mar 2022

Pope Francis will Consecrate Russia today at 5pm

The Second Prophecy of Fatima demanded that the Pope consecrate Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary lest Russia continue to “spread her disorder”.

JPII never really did, and instead chose to “Consecrate the World”, which was a way to try and do it without pissing off the Russian Orthodox Church.

Anyway, Francis is going all in today at 5 pm Rome time and specifically consecrating Russia.

Whether you believe or not - these are interesting events.

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Pope Francis will Consecrate Russia today at 5pm (Original Post) DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 OP
People always knew what Russia was and is. Srkdqltr Mar 2022 #1
FWIW Official translation of the Act of Consecration dalton99a Mar 2022 #2
Idiocracy Xoan Mar 2022 #3
I want to make a voodoo doll of Putin. redwitch Mar 2022 #4
An exorcism might be a better approach. Ocelot II Mar 2022 #5
Putin would probably enjoy it DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #6
He's not afraid of the crucifix dalton99a Mar 2022 #7
Patriarch Kirill is Putin's puppet DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #8
My thought, exactly. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2022 #11
Good one. fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #25
Will Someone Please Explain What This Means To 'Consecrate Russia...' .... global1 Mar 2022 #9
You must read the prophecies of Fatima DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #13
Can't You Just Enlighten Us With Your Knowledge Of This Prophecy Of Fatima?... global1 Mar 2022 #15
That's a lot to write DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #21
I thought the Fatima prophecy was about communism in Russia LeftInTX Mar 2022 #24
The ultimate result is supposed to be world peace, right? hamsterjill Mar 2022 #36
I read a book about it once...It specifically mentioned communism LeftInTX Mar 2022 #42
So God is mad and Mary is saying Bluesaph Mar 2022 #45
saying a prayer to set Russia (and Ukraine) aside for the sacred service of Mary fishwax Mar 2022 #17
I don't claim to understand it, but it does sound interesting. Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #10
I'm not religious. What does this mean? Takket Mar 2022 #12
Read the prophecies of Fatima DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #14
not a punishment, just a prayer to Mary for the protection and sacred use of Russia (and Ukraine) fishwax Mar 2022 #18
I did a quick google search cally Mar 2022 #16
Lol. Dude the algorithm on your search engines are um.... DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #22
Give me 10 minutes to find my Quigi board and then I'll be able to lindysalsagal Mar 2022 #19
It's Ouija DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #27
Great. Problem solved. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2022 #20
The Magic Sky Daddy cult is a source of amusement, at least Tarc Mar 2022 #23
We still have a pope? fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #26
I am happy for whatever political reverberations it will cause. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #28
OMG...official thoughts and prayers is all this is Buckeyeblue Mar 2022 #29
It's bullshit Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 #31
See below where you impugned my title DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #40
Well there's not much else in the Pope's wheelhouse. meadowlander Mar 2022 #32
I want him in the strongest language possible to condem Putin to hell Buckeyeblue Mar 2022 #37
The Swiss Guard are bad ass soldiers DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #39
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! EndlessWire Mar 2022 #46
Ukraine not Russia Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 #30
He did Russia and Ukraine DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #33
Unless you have a video I'll go with the article Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 #34
My title is accurate DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #35
I grew up in the 1950's going to Catholic schools FakeNoose Mar 2022 #38
I read a book about it once, and it was mostly about communism LeftInTX Mar 2022 #43
Republicans seeking permission from Satan Achilleaze Mar 2022 #41
What does that mean? RFCalifornia Mar 2022 #44
"Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!" EndlessWire Mar 2022 #47
Photo: ''Putin's dramatic and emotional embrace of Virgin Mary Icon caught on camera.'' Donkees Mar 2022 #48

redwitch

(14,941 posts)
4. I want to make a voodoo doll of Putin.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:12 PM
Mar 2022

And stick knives in it.

Good for the Pope. Also Catholic Charities is doing what they can to assist refugees.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,474 posts)
8. Patriarch Kirill is Putin's puppet
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:26 PM
Mar 2022

And has been for years. The statements coming out of the Russian Orthodox Church regarding the war are heresy.

global1

(25,226 posts)
9. Will Someone Please Explain What This Means To 'Consecrate Russia...' ....
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:31 PM
Mar 2022

and the significance of doing so?

DenaliDemocrat

(1,474 posts)
13. You must read the prophecies of Fatima
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:38 PM
Mar 2022

Especially the 2nd one. JPII did not do as requested, Francis is fulfilling the request today.

global1

(25,226 posts)
15. Can't You Just Enlighten Us With Your Knowledge Of This Prophecy Of Fatima?...
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:46 PM
Mar 2022

And I always thought that 'consecrate' was a positive word in the Catholic Church. How is it used in the context of Russia?

It appears that others in this thread have the same question. So if you can provide us with a brief summary - we'd be appreciative.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,474 posts)
21. That's a lot to write
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:02 PM
Mar 2022

Essentially the story is the Virgin appeared to three small children in the village at Fatima and revealed prophecies to them. Message is essentially God was pretty fed up with people but Mary was interceding for us. She asked that Russia be consecrated to her immaculate heart by the Pope or else Russia would “continue to spread her disorder throughout the world”.

JPII never really did as to not anger the Russian Orthodox Church. Francis did it today in a ceremony

LeftInTX

(25,155 posts)
24. I thought the Fatima prophecy was about communism in Russia
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:07 PM
Mar 2022

Obviously JP saw the collapse of communism and Putin probably was not on his radar. I'm sure John Paul was pleased to see the church return to Russia. There has been dialogue between the Orthodox and Catholic Churches since 1960s. There has also been more emphasis on the Eastern Catholic Churches and full communion with the Roman Catholic Church since the 1960s.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
36. The ultimate result is supposed to be world peace, right?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:11 PM
Mar 2022

Not Catholic and not familiar with this. But I generally like what Francis does.

Bluesaph

(703 posts)
45. So God is mad and Mary is saying
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:15 PM
Mar 2022

Hey God is pissed! And if you want world peace you have to “consecrate” Russia to MY immaculate heart.

Otherwise, suffer you maggots!

Got it. Great. Such a petty god.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
17. saying a prayer to set Russia (and Ukraine) aside for the sacred service of Mary
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:50 PM
Mar 2022

It's basically a prayer entrusting Russia to the Virgin Mary. You can read the prayer here: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2022-03/pope-francis-prayer-act-consecration-russia-ukaine-mary.html

Here's the most pertinment part:

Therefore, Mother of God and our Mother, to your Immaculate Heart we solemnly entrust and consecrate ourselves, the Church and all humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine. Accept this act that we carry out with confidence and love. Grant that war may end and peace spread throughout the world. The “Fiat” that arose from your heart opened the doors of history to the Prince of Peace. We trust that, through your heart, peace will dawn once more. To you we consecrate the future of the whole human family, the needs and expectations of every people, the anxieties and hopes of the world.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
18. not a punishment, just a prayer to Mary for the protection and sacred use of Russia (and Ukraine)
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:51 PM
Mar 2022

It's basically a prayer entrusting Russia to the Virgin Mary. You can read the prayer here: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2022-03/pope-francis-prayer-act-consecration-russia-ukaine-mary.html

Here's the most pertinment part:

Therefore, Mother of God and our Mother, to your Immaculate Heart we solemnly entrust and consecrate ourselves, the Church and all humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine. Accept this act that we carry out with confidence and love. Grant that war may end and peace spread throughout the world. The “Fiat” that arose from your heart opened the doors of history to the Prince of Peace. We trust that, through your heart, peace will dawn once more. To you we consecrate the future of the whole human family, the needs and expectations of every people, the anxieties and hopes of the world.

cally

(21,591 posts)
16. I did a quick google search
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:49 PM
Mar 2022

And the first result talks about this pope being the anti-Christ and UFOs and secret prophecies that only special people know. Another hit talks about all the prophesies of Fatima already being known at the time

So, I’m not going any further down that rabbit hole! Maybe someone would want to explain this instead of just saying to look up more info

Gore1FL

(21,104 posts)
28. I am happy for whatever political reverberations it will cause.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:15 PM
Mar 2022

I think that will be the limit to the effects.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,474 posts)
40. See below where you impugned my title
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:59 PM
Mar 2022

Which was correct because you did not take the time to read the actual prayer that was said, and instead read an AP article? That below?

meadowlander

(4,388 posts)
32. Well there's not much else in the Pope's wheelhouse.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:55 PM
Mar 2022

Do you want him to send the Vatican guard to Mariupol?

If so, the uniforms are going to need a rethink...

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
37. I want him in the strongest language possible to condem Putin to hell
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:37 PM
Mar 2022

And maybe set forth an ancient curse or two.

Now that would signal that he means business!

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,767 posts)
30. Ukraine not Russia
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:51 PM
Mar 2022
Pope’s peace prayer for Ukraine recalls Fatima prophecy

ROME (AP) — Pope Francis presided Friday over a special prayer for Ukraine that harked back to a century-old apocalyptic prophecy about peace and Russia that was sparked by purported visions of the Virgin Mary to three peasant children in Fatima, Portugal, in 1917.

Francis invited bishops, priests and ordinary faithful around the world to join him in the consecration prayer, which opened with Francis entering St. Peter’s Basilica before an estimated 3,500 people. During the event, the pope confessed his sins and absolved others in one of the basilica’s confession booths.

The service was Francis’ latest effort to rally prayers for an end to the war while keeping open options for dialogue with the Russian Orthodox Church and its influential leader, Patriarch Kirill. Francis has yet to publicly condemn Russia by name for its invasion, though his denunciations of the war in Ukraine have grown increasingly outraged.

The prayer ritual is of deep spiritual importance to many Catholics and a source of fascination to others. It deals with some of the more controversial aspects of the Catholic faith: purported visions of the Madonna, revelations of hell, Soviet communism and the death of a pope, and questions about whether the prophecies contained in the so-called “secrets of Fatima” have already been fulfilled or not.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-pope-francis-prayer-europe-portugal-723d6b846d4c3e535cbb321de79304b8

DenaliDemocrat

(1,474 posts)
35. My title is accurate
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:08 PM
Mar 2022

And the consecration was done in response to Fatima’s 2nd Prophecy.

Maybe you should read the actual prayer before you falsely accuse someone

And on edit: Excerpt from the Prayer

Therefore, Mother of God and our Mother, to your Immaculate Heart we solemnly entrust and consecrate ourselves, the Church and all humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine…

Maybe you should exercise a little more due diligence in your research

FakeNoose

(32,599 posts)
38. I grew up in the 1950's going to Catholic schools
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:48 PM
Mar 2022

I remember that we used to pray "for the conversion of Russia." That's exactly how the priest would say it at the end of Mass. They never called it the Soviet Union, it was always Russia. I'm pretty sure it was the same in all the US Catholic churches. Can anyone else confirm this?

At the time I wasn't aware that it had anything to do with the Fatima prophecies. However this intrigues me and I'll look into it further. I'm now a lapsed Catholic, or perhaps a no-longer-practicing Catholic, however I've never had the urge to join any other church. So I guess I'm rooting for the Pope, because extra prayers can't hurt and maybe they will help. Am I right?

LeftInTX

(25,155 posts)
43. I read a book about it once, and it was mostly about communism
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:12 PM
Mar 2022

I think the message evolved over time:

At the time of the apparitions, Portugal was undergoing tensions between the secularizing Republican government and more conservative elements in society. The First Republic had begun with the revolution of 1910 overthrowing the constitutional monarch. It was intensely anticlerical and provoked a strong conservative reaction, ultimately leading to the military coup of 1926. Later in Spain during the 1920s and 1930s, as the forces of the Republic gathered strength, armies of faithful Roman Catholics carried images of the Virgin Mary, as protest and protection against groups they called godless.[41]

During the Spanish Second Republic, apparitions of the Virgin Mary were seen on Spanish soil at Ezquioga. Ramona Olazabal said that Mary had marked the palms of her hands with a sword. The visions at Ezquioga were widely covered in the press, as were sixteen other visitations of the Virgin reported in 1931 in Spain.[42] These visions gained much credence in Integrist and Carlist circles and conservative elements in the Spanish Catholic Church actively encouraged the Fátima devotion as a way of countering the perceived threat of atheistic Communism. In Portugal and its former colony of Brazil, conservative groups were sometimes associated with the veneration of Fátima. When Germany invaded Russia in 1941, some Catholics interpreted this in terms of the Fátima apparitions, and believed that the Virgin's prophecy was about to be fulfilled.[citation needed]

The original apparitions took place during the six months preceding the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, and the children related that the Lady talked to them about the need to pray for Russia. Lúcia admitted later that the children initially thought she was requesting prayers for a girl named Russia. In the first edition of Sister Lúcia's memoirs, published after the outbreak of World War II, she focused on the issue of Russia. The warning by the Lady that "if Russia was not consecrated to God, it would spread errors throughout the world" was often seized upon as an anti-communist rallying cry.[citation needed]

The Blue Army of Our Lady of Fátima, for instance, has always been strongly anti-Communist and its members often associated the Fátima story in the context of the Cold War.[43] The Blue Army is made up of Catholics and non-Catholics who believe that by dedicating themselves to daily prayer (specifically, of the Rosary), they can help to achieve world peace and put an end to the error of communism. Organizations such as the Blue Army (nowadays known as the World Apostolate of Fátima) have gained the approval of the Catholic Church

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
41. Republicans seeking permission from Satan
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:59 PM
Mar 2022

They want to be sure that their buddy, Old Nibs Hisself, is on board with the Papal procedure.

EndlessWire

(6,464 posts)
47. "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!"
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:32 PM
Mar 2022

I'm all in for anything positive that would prevent WW3. Anything the Pope would like to say on OUR behalf is good to go. Doesn't he have any influence over that religious nut who said the whole thing is over gay parades, or something like that?

I'm not Catholic, but I have read up on Fatima in the past, and they never quite get around to saying what that Third Prophecy really says. It was supposed to be something truly terrifying.

I hope that Russia understands what the Pope did (I don't, but I'm not Catholic) and doesn't take it to mean that they are blessed to win in war. You know, like a prebattle blessing from the unit priest, or something.

I think that most of us here are praying daily for Ukraine and peace. I think our sense of justice just takes over, and we have anger over what Russia has done. So, is this consecration like some kind of confession box where the priest tells the sinner that his sins are forgiven, go and sin no more?

And, yeah, I think it is interesting. Thanks for posting.

Donkees

(31,346 posts)
48. Photo: ''Putin's dramatic and emotional embrace of Virgin Mary Icon caught on camera.''
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 05:00 PM
Mar 2022





He kissed all the icons they gave him to kiss.




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