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uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:37 PM Mar 2022

Roberts knows NOW that Thomas had a conflict of interest in regards to his wifes J6 actions

Last edited Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:05 PM - Edit history (2)

Thomas was the sole decent on releasing records regarding his wife's wanting to take down the US government.

Roberts knows NOW and should indicated something in regards to the courts integrity and impartiality.

This is bad, its a bad look on the USSC and Americans deserve some kind of explanation.

EDITED To include Ginnis actions and not just text and to give Roberts the benefit of the doubt he didn't know what was in the text because that's not what they were asked to judge on.

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Roberts knows NOW that Thomas had a conflict of interest in regards to his wifes J6 actions (Original Post) uponit7771 Mar 2022 OP
Shhhhhh! Republicans don't want anyone Achilleaze Mar 2022 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #2
How do we know Thomas didn't send or dictate the texts? imaginary girl Mar 2022 #3
He was likely... 2naSalit Mar 2022 #23
We don't, and that is part of the problem. GoodRaisin Mar 2022 #42
Did Kagan and Sotomayor also know? Effete Snob Mar 2022 #4
precisely. the effective response here is, "And, so?" -(nt)- stopdiggin Mar 2022 #12
The assumption is really weird Effete Snob Mar 2022 #15
and I guess my thrust was stopdiggin Mar 2022 #17
Another thing... Effete Snob Mar 2022 #18
They are not Chief Justice. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #26
Okay, so? Effete Snob Mar 2022 #27
Neither, obviously. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #28
He doesn't manage the behavior of a single other justice Effete Snob Mar 2022 #31
"no role in making any kinds of statements" lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #32
Well, duh, ruling on cases is what they do Effete Snob Mar 2022 #33
Remind me the last time there was such egregious misconduct by anyone on the court. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #34
Hoo boy, are you kidding? Effete Snob Mar 2022 #41
Yeah, even more reasons Roberts should say something vs nothing uponit7771 Mar 2022 #45
He didn't say anything about those other instances Effete Snob Mar 2022 #46
Why hasn't DOJ opened an investigation into the attempt to over turn dem4decades Mar 2022 #5
Oh, you done it now.... Effete Snob Mar 2022 #6
I can list the ones NOT pending, including those where crimes have been described on television. dem4decades Mar 2022 #50
The wheels of this Justice turn exceedingly slowly Mr. Ected Mar 2022 #7
True, and if it came down to Ginni breaking a law she deserves the best representation which ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #8
One of the problems with our justice system is the long lag between the identification of a crime Mr. Ected Mar 2022 #10
And the cost of their crimes. 2naSalit Mar 2022 #25
Nothings going to happen to her. BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #13
At the time, it was know that she was paying for the buses to get people there. mackdaddy Mar 2022 #9
incorrectly, as it turns out. stopdiggin Mar 2022 #14
Basic legal ethics principles would have required Thomas' disclosure of the conflict of interest. JudyM Mar 2022 #11
Why would Roberts know that Thomas' wife had been texting Meadows? Effete Snob Mar 2022 #16
Hmmmm, I'm thinking they read some of evidence to determine if it fits in WHAT should be ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #19
Uh, no.... Effete Snob Mar 2022 #20
True, if they had the text and stayed quite pox on them too. But by what you're saying the USSC ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #21
"and it was only Thomas that knew" Effete Snob Mar 2022 #29
I'm not narrowing Thom knowledge to his wifes text, her actions as a whole yeah. uponit7771 Mar 2022 #35
You are mistaken in thinking Roberts "had to know" about Ginni Thomas' emails to Meadows onenote Mar 2022 #22
Don't bring facts into this Effete Snob Mar 2022 #30
I know. It's a bad habit I have. onenote Mar 2022 #36
Her actions regarding J6 as a whole should've made him recuse not just her DMs uponit7771 Mar 2022 #37
Well, I'm trying to keep up with edits to the OP Effete Snob Mar 2022 #47
I don't need a cope but some do in regards to US institutions. We're not perfect and end up ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #52
Thomas was not decent. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #24
+1, Some are trying to narrow her actions down to DMs but her actions as a whole should've brought uponit7771 Mar 2022 #38
Haven't been watching any talking head news show......is ANYONE talking about this?? a kennedy Mar 2022 #39
MJ was talking about it this morning, Eugene Smith had a good takedown of Woodwards ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #40
Thanks, will check it out. a kennedy Mar 2022 #49
So what is Roberts going to do about it?? Samrob Mar 2022 #43
He can communicate to the American people about standards of USSC or he can say nothing ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #44
Yes, he can say "Bad Clarence! Naughty Boy!" Effete Snob Mar 2022 #48
Yep, better than f**k those people let em think what they want uponit7771 Mar 2022 #51
There is another thing which undermines institutional legitimacy Effete Snob Mar 2022 #53
We agree, the expectations of jailing Thomas at Gitmo etc is edge case. I do think nothing is worse uponit7771 Mar 2022 #54

Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

imaginary girl

(861 posts)
3. How do we know Thomas didn't send or dictate the texts?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:40 PM
Mar 2022

Just because the phone is registered to Ginny doesn't mean she's got some control of it. Was it cover? This angle should at least be investigated, imo.

2naSalit

(86,577 posts)
23. He was likely...
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:25 PM
Mar 2022

Helping to strategize a way through legal processes to get the case to SCOTUS so they could deal with it, again. Shit, it worked for W...

So, yeah, using Ginny's phone at times, could be cover but also she must have consulted with him on a number of angles in her little crusade.

I can't imagine being married to someone and know nothing about their activities.

GoodRaisin

(8,922 posts)
42. We don't, and that is part of the problem.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:14 PM
Mar 2022

My guess is that he was just as involved as she was. It’s making the integrity of the Court look horrible. It’s an easy reach to conclude that our Supreme Court is rife with corruption.

Roberts needs to go talk to Thomas and ask him to resign for the sake of the institution and in restoring the people’s confidence. Unfortunately there is such degree of Republican partisanship over control of the court it won’t happen. If this had happened when Republicans held the Senate and White House so they could pick a successor he probably would had been pressured into resigning.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
4. Did Kagan and Sotomayor also know?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:42 PM
Mar 2022

And did they too not say anything?

Or did Roberts have access to some part of the record that the other justices didn't?
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
15. The assumption is really weird
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:08 PM
Mar 2022

The Supreme Court did not have Meadow's communications before them. The argument was about whether he should be required to release them. None of the proceedings on that issue would have involved anyone producing the communications in question because that would of course be stupid.

stopdiggin

(11,301 posts)
17. and I guess my thrust was
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:18 PM
Mar 2022

even if Robert was privy to some knowledge (or personal convictions) regarding the issue - does that mean he could have prevented Thomas from casting the same vote? Of course not!

As an independent justice, Thomas can be just as callous about issues of integrity and ethics as he chooses to!

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
18. Another thing...
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:35 PM
Mar 2022

I want to know about the cell phone plan with the "read your wife's texts" feature.

I have AT&T and I have no idea what my wife's texts are.

Is the ability to read your wife's texts a Verizon thing?
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
27. Okay, so?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:50 PM
Mar 2022

You mean during a case under consideration by the Supreme Court, the Chief Justice is provided with special access to information about the case that none of the other justices have?

Or are you saying that Kagan and Sotomayor could have said something, but decided not to?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
28. Neither, obviously.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:52 PM
Mar 2022

But as Chief Justice, he manages the operation of the Court. His opinion carries more weight.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
31. He doesn't manage the behavior of a single other justice
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:56 PM
Mar 2022

Nor is he responsible for it, and he has no role in making any kinds of statements about it.

You know how the GQP decided they could just make up whatever silliness they believed about how the Constitution is supposed to work - leading to J6 in the first place?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
32. "no role in making any kinds of statements"
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:58 PM
Mar 2022


I didn't recall a vow of silence being part of his oath of office. In fact, he seems quite happy to have opinions on many things, often jamming his own opinion through in the middle of the night in shadow docket rulings.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
33. Well, duh, ruling on cases is what they do
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:59 PM
Mar 2022

But I seem to have forgotten, so perhaps you can remind me of the last time that a Chief Justice decided to make a public statement about the conduct of anyone on the court.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
41. Hoo boy, are you kidding?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:09 PM
Mar 2022

I am happy to honor your request. Will you honor mine, or are you just a one-way street?

2011:

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/jan/21/scalia-thomas-accused-of-conflict-of-interest/

WASHINGTON – A government watchdog group alleges that two of the Supreme Court’s most conservative members had a conflict of interest when they considered a controversial case last year that permitted corporate funds to be used directly in political campaigns.

...

The letter is based in part on references to Scalia and Thomas made in an invitation to an upcoming meeting this month of elite conservative leaders sponsored by the Kochs. The invitation, first obtained by the liberal blog Think Progress, names the two justices among luminaries who have attended the closed Koch meetings at unspecified dates in the past.

2016:

https://otherwords.org/scalias-conflict-of-interest-airlines-frequent-flyer-status/

In another curiosity, the names of some 35 other people who were in Scalia’s hunting party are being kept secret. Moreover, the late judge — an ardent promoter of corporate supremacy over people’s rights — was flown to the remote getaway for free aboard someone’s or some corporation’s private jet. The name of this generous benefactor has also been withheld.

https://fixthecourt.com/2022/01/recent-times-justice-failed-recuse-despite-clear-conflict-interest/

1. OT20: Justice Kagan failed to recuse in 19-720, U.S. v. Briones, Jr., a juvenile life sentence case remanded to the Ninth Circuit on 5/3/21 in light of the Court’s ruling in Jones v. Mississippi the previous month. Kagan previously participated in an earlier version of this case, 09-1044, Briones and Briones, Jr., v. U.S., when she was U.S. solicitor general. @FedJudges identified this error on Twitter, and FTC e-mailed the SCOTUS clerk on 5/6/21. That afternoon, the Court noted the error in a letter to the 19-720 litigants.

2. OT20: Justice Barrett failed to recuse, or failed to note her disqualification, in 20A150, an application in a Trump-era public charge rule case, Texas, et al., v. Cook County, et al., that was denied on 4/26/21. The non-recusal seemed odd given that Barrett twice participated in a Seventh Circuit version of this case. With help from three SCOTUS reporters, FTC was able to bring this error to the attention of the SCOTUS clerk’s office on 4/27/21, and that afternoon, the Court noted the error (p. 2) —that, in fact, Justice Barrett “took no part in the consideration or decision of this application.”

3. OT20: Americans for Prosperity spent more than $1 million to get Justice Barrett confirmed, and Barrett did not recuse from 19-251, Americans for Prosperity Foundation v. Bonta, argued on 4/26/21. FTC did not take further action on this, save writing an op-ed.

4. OT20: Justice Alito failed to recuse in 20-6256, Valentine v. PNC Financial Services, et al., where one of the “al.” was PNC Bank, whose shares we think Alito owns, though his 2021 disclosure has yet to be released. Missed recusal on 1/11/21 (cert. denied); reported 2/4/21; no further action taken.

5. OT19: Justices Breyer, Sotomayor and Gorsuch have book deals with Penguin Random House, with all three earning big bucks from these contracts. In 2019, PRH was a respondent in a copyright infringement suit at SCOTUS, 19-560, Nicassio v. Viacom International and Penguin Random House, and only Breyer recused, though not because of his writing but because at the time, his wife’s family’s publishing company, Pearson, owned a large stake in PRH. Though the “financial interest” language in the federal recusal statute is typically interpreted to mean stocks, all three — and now Justice Barrett, who has her own PRH book deal — should recuse. Missed recusal on 12/9/19 (cert. denied); rehearing denied 2/24/20. FTC identified these conflicts in its July 2020 recusal report, but no further action was taken.

6. OT18: Justices Breyer and Alito failed to recuse in 18-6644, Feng v. Komenda and Rockwell Collins, Inc., though each own shares in Rockwell’s parent company, United Technologies Corp.; missed recusal on 1/14/19 (cert. denied). FTC identified this conflict on 4/8/19, two and a half months after cert. was denied, and the Supreme Court responded that afternoon, saying that the justices would have had “no way” to know about the conflict since the company in question waived the right to respond. FTC finds that reasoning spurious.

7. OT18: Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Thomas, Ginsburg, Breyer, Alito and Sotomayor failed to recuse in 18-5810, Rivera v. U.S., even though they were named in the petition by the appellant. As above, the justices would probably claim that there was “no way” of knowing they were named since the U.S. failed to file a response, but again, FTC finds that reasoning spurious, especially since Justice Kagan recused in the case twice. (The first Justice Kavanaugh recusal noted on the docket was a blanket one for all Oct. 9 orders due to his Oct. 6 confirmation.) Missed recusal on 10/9/18, and again for the rehearing petition, 1/14/19 (cert. denied both times); no further action taken.

8. OT17: Chief Justice Roberts failed to recuse in 17-1287, Marcus Roberts et al. v. AT&T Mobility, despite owning shares in Time-Warner, which had merged with AT&T four days prior (likely a SCOTUS conference day); missed recusal on 6/18/18 (cert. denied). FTC identified this conflict five months after cert. was denied, and no further action was taken.

9. OT17: Justice Kennedy failed to recuse in 17-269, Washington v. U.S., despite his previous work on the case; missed recusal on 1/2/18 (cert. granted); reported by SCOTUS and recused on 3/23/18.

10. OT16 and OT17: Justice Kagan failed to recuse in 15–1204, Jennings v. Rodriguez, despite her previous work on the case; missed recusal on 11/30/16 (argued) and 10/3/17 (reargued); reported and recused on 11/10/17.

11. OT16: Justice Alito failed to recuse in 17-290, Merck Sharp & Dohme Corp. v. Albrecht, despite owning shares in Merck; missed recusal on 6/27/17 (application to extend the time to file); reported and recused on 9/22/17 (and then unrecused 10/26/18 after he sold his shares).

12. OT16: Chief Justice Roberts failed to recuse in 14-1538, Life Technologies Corp. v. Promega Corp., despite owning shares in Thermo Fisher Scientific, which owns Life Technologies; missed recusal on 12/6/16 (argued); reported and recused on 1/4/17.

13. OT15: Justice Breyer failed to recuse in o. 14–840, FERC v. EPSA, despite owning shares in Johnson Controls, a party on the EPSA side; missed recusal on 10/14/15 (argued), reported and remained on case on 10/15/15. Breyer did not recuse at first, learned about the conflict the day after oral argument in FERC v. EPSA and then sold his stock – or his wife did – that day.

14. OT15: Chief Justice Roberts failed to recuse in 14-972, ABB Inc., et al. v. Arizona Board of Regents, et al., despite owning shares in Texas Instruments stock, a party on the ABB side; missed recusal on 10/5/15 (cert. denied), reported on 12/18/15. FTC identified this conflict two months after cert. was denied and brought it to the chief’s attention. No further action was taken.

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Now please answer my question.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
46. He didn't say anything about those other instances
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:08 PM
Mar 2022

I'm still waiting for my answer.

I asked Lagomorph a question. Instead of an answer, I got a question. I answered that question, but still have not got an answer to mine.

I think some people's idea of "fair" is kind of odd.

dem4decades

(11,286 posts)
50. I can list the ones NOT pending, including those where crimes have been described on television.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 05:40 PM
Mar 2022

See Peter Navarro.

BTW, Michael Cohen went to jail for acts he committed in a conspiracy with Donald Trump. That Federal investigation has folded, Trump is beyond the law. And we're supposed to think DOJ is working? Yeah, working to protect fat cat Republicans. At least Barr did something, even though it was crooked, now DOJ can't even do anything.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
7. The wheels of this Justice turn exceedingly slowly
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:47 PM
Mar 2022

But will grind Ginni exceedingly fine.

If we are, in fact, a country governed by the rule of law.

Otherwise, we might as well be Russia.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
8. True, and if it came down to Ginni breaking a law she deserves the best representation which ...
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:49 PM
Mar 2022

... I think she would get.

I do think Roberts needs to say something vs let this sit in the ether and fester wrong, Americans expect impartiality or at least the attempt at it and Thomas's actions does completely opposite of that.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
10. One of the problems with our justice system is the long lag between the identification of a crime
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:54 PM
Mar 2022

And the rendering of the trial and punishment.

In a world with an ever-shortening attention span, this gap period is enough to lose the public's interest and in some cases turn the public against those seeking justice.

I can't think of another system that would be any better, but being fair also means that the cheaters prevail until the moment they don't, and all of us are left with a bitter taste in our mouths.

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
13. Nothings going to happen to her.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:05 PM
Mar 2022

And he will remain on the court until such a time that he croaks. Could be a year from now, or 10. So I’m going to go with your second option.

mackdaddy

(1,526 posts)
9. At the time, it was know that she was paying for the buses to get people there.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:51 PM
Mar 2022

This was openly discussed and reported that she was paying for the buses and other transportation expenses to get people to the Trump rally at least.

This could not have been a surprise to Roberts.

stopdiggin

(11,301 posts)
14. incorrectly, as it turns out.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:06 PM
Mar 2022

and, surprise or not - Roberts really doesn't have any control over it. (Either Ginni, or Clarence)

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
11. Basic legal ethics principles would have required Thomas' disclosure of the conflict of interest.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:00 PM
Mar 2022

Or maybe he’s confused about who his client actually is.

Also, a bit of history from his Wikipedia page: “… in 2011, 74 Democratic members of the House of Representatives wrote that Justice Thomas should recuse himself on cases regarding the Affordable Care Act due to "appearance of a conflict of interest" based on his wife's work.”

There is no longer even a semblance of integrity. It is time for rules to be implemented for members of the S.Ct.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
16. Why would Roberts know that Thomas' wife had been texting Meadows?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:11 PM
Mar 2022

The proceeding was about whether Meadows' communications should be produced. OBVIOUSLY, Meadows' communications were not of record in that proceeding.

So, I have to know this. Does Roberts know who everyone's wife communicates with on a regular basis? Or did he specifically just know about to whom Thomas' wife sends texts?

Connect the "Roberts HAD to know" dots for me, because I want to know how he would even have known that.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
19. Hmmmm, I'm thinking they read some of evidence to determine if it fits in WHAT should be ...
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:44 PM
Mar 2022

... produced.

OK, lets say he knew nothing ... still America deserves some explanation of one of the sitting judges at minimum LOOKING like he's using his bench to protect a loved one vs being impartial.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
20. Uh, no....
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:58 PM
Mar 2022

You are saying that the other side already had the evidence?

This wasn't about admissibility of evidence, where both sides know what it is. This was a dispute about obligation to produce the evidence in the first place. And, no, you don't produce the evidence in order to argue about whether to produce it.

All of the filings in the case are available online, and this was purely a legal argument over whether Meadows had a blanket claim of privilege against producing anything. This was an appellate proceeding, not a trial. They don't go over evidence in the first place. They go over the legal conclusions of the lower court.

But if you think otherwise, and that "they" had the texts, then why are you letting Kagan and Sotomayor off the hook? Did they say anything about it? No.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
21. True, if they had the text and stayed quite pox on them too. But by what you're saying the USSC ...
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:09 PM
Mar 2022

... didn't have the text and it was only Thomas that knew.

I'll change the OP to present those facts if I'm repeating you correctly

The American public STILL needs to hear from Roberts himself, its his court and he's the leader of it

No reasonable person is going to believe Thomas didn't know nothing about nothing in regards to his wife's J6 activity.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
29. "and it was only Thomas that knew"
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:53 PM
Mar 2022

"No reasonable person is going to believe Thomas didn't know..."

Okay, so, to establish that Thomas actually knew that his wife had texted Meadows in particular, no evidence is needed to prove that point.

Because, sure, I know everyone to whom my wife sends text messages.

And Roberts needs to make some kind of public pronouncement about it, the way that Chief Justices have traditionally issued public announcements about what they think of the behavior of other members of the court. Because that's somewhere in the Constitution, I'm pretty sure.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
35. I'm not narrowing Thom knowledge to his wifes text, her actions as a whole yeah.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:01 PM
Mar 2022
Because that's somewhere in the Constitution, I'm pretty sure.


Its no where in the constitution that Roberts shouldn't go daily humping trees in his back yard bucket naked for everyone to see either but if he did, yeah ... someone should say something.

We both understand the difference between legal and moral and appropriate for the office.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
22. You are mistaken in thinking Roberts "had to know" about Ginni Thomas' emails to Meadows
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:15 PM
Mar 2022

Among other things, those emails were not among the presidential records that had been requested by the Committee, that were in possession of the Archives and that were released to the Committee by the Archives shortly after the Supreme Court acted in January 2022. The Ginni Thomas emails to Meadows were delivered to the Committee by Meadows in December 2021 in response to a Committee subpoena. There is no reason for those emails to have come to the attention of the Court since they weren't among the Archives records that Trump was seeking to prevent the Committee from getting and already were in possession of the Committee.






uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
52. I don't need a cope but some do in regards to US institutions. We're not perfect and end up ...
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:58 PM
Mar 2022

... BEING less than adequate when that façade is proffered.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
38. +1, Some are trying to narrow her actions down to DMs but her actions as a whole should've brought
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:04 PM
Mar 2022

... CT to recuse himself from the whole matter.

No reasonable person is going to believe CT knew nothin about nothin

a kennedy

(29,655 posts)
39. Haven't been watching any talking head news show......is ANYONE talking about this??
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:07 PM
Mar 2022
Or has the war overtaken every news cast???

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
40. MJ was talking about it this morning, Eugene Smith had a good takedown of Woodwards ...
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:08 PM
Mar 2022

... bothsideism BS on the show too.

Segment is worth watching

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
44. He can communicate to the American people about standards of USSC or he can say nothing ...
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:46 PM
Mar 2022

... and allow the view of the office to further be political than it is now.

I'd error on the side of communication than silence in this context

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
53. There is another thing which undermines institutional legitimacy
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:17 PM
Mar 2022

And that is promoting expectations of them which are unlikely to occur, thus creating the impression that they are rigged or corrupt, instead of considering whether the expectation was realistic in the first place.

That also undermines the credibility of institutions.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
54. We agree, the expectations of jailing Thomas at Gitmo etc is edge case. I do think nothing is worse
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:44 PM
Mar 2022

... than something in regards to communication.

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