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Behind the Aegis

(53,936 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:34 PM Mar 2022

OH lawmaker draws backlash...teach Holocaust from the perspective of a German soldier

Ohio lawmaker draws backlash after suggesting schools should teach the Holocaust ‘from the perspective of a German soldier’

A Jewish lawmaker in Ohio is deriding legislation to restrict race education in the state’s schools as the “draconian Holocaust censorship bill” after one of the bill’s Republican sponsors suggested that it is appropriate to teach about the Holocaust from the perspective of the Nazis.

State Rep. Sarah Fowler Arthur, who co-sponsored the bill, made the comments when explaining to a local news station why she believes that “divisive concepts” should be taught from multiple points of view.

“Maybe you’re going to listen to the perspective of someone from Poland when they were undergoing similar displacement, or when they were being incorporated into the war and to some of these camps. Or maybe you’re listening to it from the perspective of a Jewish person that has gone through the tragedies that took place,” she said, describing how a hypothetical lesson that complies with the law could unfold. “And maybe you’ll listen to it from the perspective of a German soldier.”

Fowler Arthur also mischaracterized how many Jews were murdered in the Holocaust and why they were murdered in her remarks, originally made to News 5 Cleveland in early March but not publicized by the station until Tuesday.

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OH lawmaker draws backlash...teach Holocaust from the perspective of a German soldier (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Mar 2022 OP
Then let's teach about 9/11 from Mohammed Atta's perspective. ck4829 Mar 2022 #1
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with perspectives, in a good faith context. Caliman73 Mar 2022 #2
You sum up how I am thinking about this. Behind the Aegis Mar 2022 #7
Exactly. Caliman73 Mar 2022 #9
It always comes back to the Jews for these people. Ray Bruns Mar 2022 #3
We are low-hanging fruit to many. Behind the Aegis Mar 2022 #8
Can they be any more open that they are nazis... Ohio Joe Mar 2022 #4
This nincompoop was home schooled. Diamond_Dog Mar 2022 #5
This is what libertarians/righties mean by "the Marketplace of Ideas" tenderfoot Mar 2022 #6

Caliman73

(11,726 posts)
2. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with perspectives, in a good faith context.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:41 PM
Mar 2022

That is not what Republicans are proposing however.

We have perspectives from German soldiers regarding why they fought and if they participated in the "Final Solution". There are accounts. Certainly those can be discussed in classes.

HOWEVER, there is no VALID Nazi perspective. There is NOTHING DIVISIVE about a race based GENOCIDE. Ask Modern Germans if there is any controversy to what Hitler did. It was an unmitigated act of evil perpetrated on Jewish people, LGBT people, Roma, disabled people, and more. 12 million people murdered, with intent. It is taught correctly as a lesson in how racist, White Supremacist ideology can lead to mass murder. All of the Nazi statements about "breathing space" and "useless eaters" were justification for Racial genocide.

Behind the Aegis

(53,936 posts)
7. You sum up how I am thinking about this.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:57 PM
Mar 2022

Yes, perspective can be useful, keep others from going down the same hateful road. However, this is not the intention of those proposing this nonsense. This is more along of the lines of "Slave Masters were kind and generous, and rarely beat slaves, who were happy to have a place to live and food to eat" bullshit we hear from revisionists and whitewashers of American history.

If anything, some of their perspective needs to be taught. Just a month or so back, Whoopi Goldberg stepped in it because she was using her perspective on race, and not the perspective of the Nazis, which is why what happened to the Jews, Slavs, Roma, and many others, happened, as well as other factors, of course.

The "other side" of issues need to be taught but done so with thought and historical accuracy, not the whim of some bigoted asshole trying to justify various crimes against people throughout history.

Caliman73

(11,726 posts)
9. Exactly.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:48 PM
Mar 2022

I am all for good faith discussion of issues.

Unfortunately Conservatives seem to have abandoned good faith discussion a long time ago.

They seek to minimize the destruction caused by the ideas of White Supremacy and racial hierarchy throughout history.

Ray Bruns

(4,086 posts)
3. It always comes back to the Jews for these people.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:44 PM
Mar 2022

You would think after several millennium of anti-semitism, they would come up with some new material.

Behind the Aegis

(53,936 posts)
8. We are low-hanging fruit to many.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:58 PM
Mar 2022
You would think after several millennium of anti-semitism, they would come up with some new material.


That's why things are called "golden oldies" because they are tried and true.

Diamond_Dog

(31,950 posts)
5. This nincompoop was home schooled.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:49 PM
Mar 2022

She never set foot in a classroom or volunteered or worked in a school building. Yet she thinks she knows best what Ohio’s schools should teach children.. unbelievable.

tenderfoot

(8,425 posts)
6. This is what libertarians/righties mean by "the Marketplace of Ideas"
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:52 PM
Mar 2022

It's long past time to call that out.

Same goes for the term "Judeo-Christian".

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