Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

underpants

(182,767 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:08 PM Mar 2022

Could Russia's results in Ukraine have been known or not unexpected?

This isn’t a Biden vs. Trump thing. Joe is obviously of a vastly different attitude towards intel and experience with the Pentagon.

Maybe assessments of Russian expected some of this or some mixture of them.
Logistics especially reliance on rail (that ends at the border)
Equipment from the heavy stuff down to boots (frostbite appears to be a problem)
Corruption is rampant (equipment)
No NCO Corp
Etc.

AND

that Ukraine has put a lot of people through at least basic military training through their draft. 400,000 in the last 8 years or so is a number I’ve seen.

Full US or NATO defense was never on the table we know that. Maybe our civilian and military intelligence knew or educatedly guessed that Russia couldn’t maintain a slow slog.

3 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Could Russia's results in Ukraine have been known or not unexpected? (Original Post) underpants Mar 2022 OP
The world coming together as it has AGAINST Russia ProudMNDemocrat Mar 2022 #1
I don't think anybody knew the bravery and competence of the Ukraine army. dem4decades Mar 2022 #2
They've definitely upgraded since 2014 underpants Mar 2022 #3

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,783 posts)
1. The world coming together as it has AGAINST Russia
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:29 PM
Mar 2022

was not expected by Putin. That he has been labeled a "War Criminal" numerous times, visuals shown all over the world of his destruction, has put Russia on notice. Putin and his cronies are being watched in ways they never expected.

underpants

(182,767 posts)
3. They've definitely upgraded since 2014
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:53 PM
Mar 2022

The civilians who’ve had military training and experience has been big too.
There’s a big difference between thinking you can play soldier and having actually been trained is what I’m saying.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Could Russia's results in...