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yagotme

(2,919 posts)
1. Yes, the Russkie tanks tend to launch their turrets when hit in the ammo compartment.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:20 PM
Mar 2022

All that propellant basically makes the chassis of the tank, the "barrel", and the turret, the "projectile". The tanks are put together by lowering the turret into the tank body, and that's the direction it takes when it comes out. "POP".

brush

(53,778 posts)
2. What happened to Russian tank designers?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:21 PM
Mar 2022

In WWll they came up with the T-34 with the sloping armor that deflected shells, a major innovation that enabled them to defeat the bigger German Panzers and Tigers.

That's a long time ago though so I guess they've lost that kind of innovation.

And those don't seem to be main battle tanks like the much larger and superior Abrams. Do the Russians even have a main battle tank?

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
4. Most of their stuff is revamped old crap.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:37 PM
Mar 2022

They are running T-72 and T-80 variants mostly. The T-14 is their new one, but I don't know how many of those they have produced. In fact, I don't know a thing about that model, but I doubt it's up to a 1:1 match against the M-1.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
5. I don't know but I keep reading speculation that large portions
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:37 PM
Mar 2022

Of the Russian defense budget was siphoned off, presumably by Putin and his buddies.

brush

(53,778 posts)
10. Yeah, I heard that too...Pootie and his oligarchy friends.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:00 PM
Mar 2022

It led to the Russian army being a hollow shell...no longer the big, bad, Russian bear Putin could use to intimidate other nations.

He didn't know that. I think he does now though. And so does the rest of the world.

yagotme

(2,919 posts)
6. Ha. Russian tank designers.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:39 PM
Mar 2022

You had to have a hand sledge to shift gears in the T-34. Yes, it had good armor, and installing the 76mm (T-34/85) gun vastly improved it's hit capability. However, the Russians never really took consideration for the crew into its designs very well. The sloping armor does 2 things, increasing the deflection of a non-penetrating round, and, by using geometry, increasing the thickness of the armor without increasing weight. At a slope, a penetrator has to pierce a thicker part, due to the angle of the armor (take a book, hold it at an angle, and measure the thickness horizontally. It's thicker at an angle.).

The current MBT is the T-80, which uses some of the designs of the T-72. A cannon auto loader for one, IIRC.

fierywoman

(7,683 posts)
3. Will the ukrainians be able to recycle all the steel from the destroyed and captured Russian
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:36 PM
Mar 2022

tanks? (In order to rebuild.)

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
7. The are employing the captured ones. The Ukrainian tank corps has increased in size!
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:44 PM
Mar 2022

I imagine there is value in the scraps of the destroyed equipment, but I suspect it would be sold off and new materials brought in for the rebuild. That said, I am speculating on costs and recycling abilities, and the materials needed to rebuild.

I like the symbolism of your idea. I hope they could find a way to use recycled/repurposed parts for memorial artwork and special buildings. It's a cool thought!

yagotme

(2,919 posts)
8. Don't know why not.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:44 PM
Mar 2022

Unlike the armor in the middle east we destroyed, the Russian stuff shouldn't have any radioactivity. (We used depleted uranium penetrators in our tanks, and the A-10. A destroyed Iraqi tank was considered "hot" until proved otherwise.) And a lot of the "tanks" I see destroyed, are actually APC's. Not as much weight there as an MBT. (BMP variant. All that is tracked, is not necessarily a tank.)

Aristus

(66,352 posts)
9. I was an M1A1 Abrams tank crewman.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:52 PM
Mar 2022

We loved the fact that the ammo was kept in armored compartments. Despite the time it took for the ammo compartment door to open during live-fire missions, a good loader (like me, ) could load the gun faster than the Russian auto-loader.

The Abrams also had “blow-off panels”, panels on the turret roof that were weaker than the surrounding armor. So if the ammo compartment took a hit from enemy fire, the panels would blow off, venting the explosive force up and away from the tank, protecting the crew.

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
15. Thank You for telling us your experience as an M1A1 Abrams tank crewman
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:07 PM
Mar 2022

What an incredible experience you had. Thank You for sharing this with us. Thank You Again.

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