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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, I was discussing the 2024 Primary with Congressman Clyburn this evening...
His view is that SC can support the kind of retail politics Iowa has been famous for. This will allow candidates without nAme recognition or a big financial chest to have an opportunity to become competitive.
Works for me.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)Obama in 2008, Clinton in 2016, and Biden in 2020 won South Carolina by large margins after more ambiguous results in IA, NH, and NV. They then ran up big totals in other states with large African American populations, and eventually won the nomination. Only Clinton in 2008 was able to keep the overall race close despite that.
South Carolina didn't choose the nominee, but it revealed how African Americans were voting. So having them go first makes a lot of sense. I also wouldn't mind seeing a diverse state with at least one major city go first, either.
jalan48
(13,785 posts)Kennedy in 1960 and Carter in 1976. Why would we start in one of the most conservative states in the country?
Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)jalan48
(13,785 posts)Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)question everything
(47,209 posts)Yes with the help of Whiny who told his disciples to stay home. Still..
Buckeyeblue
(5,489 posts)Because of the mix for urban/rural. I think a small state going first is better. What about Nevada?
jalan48
(13,785 posts)Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)go first. It was opined that Biden had no chance because he didn't win Iowa or New Hampshire...which is ridiculous. That will bite us in the butt as we will end up and have ended up choosing candidates who won't win a general.
question everything
(47,209 posts)Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)impact on who the candidate would be.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)brooklynite
(93,626 posts)Last time I checked, that wasnt an acceptable choice around here.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)Wisconsin comes to mind
Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)Their opinion matters. And consider that no Democratic presidential candidate can win without a huge percentage of Black voters.
Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)a state we might win to go first, I would say Virginia or Georgia.
Celerity
(42,445 posts)NY/CA/TX/FL/PA expensive (GA and VA are getting there, but they are so vital and diverse)
All are diverse except for NH, but NH is small, cheap, and quirky (face to face needed, so sharpens skills), so adds a twist.
Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)the point? And really quirky means out of stop to me with other Democratic voters. Thus, I believe we should not have such a state have a big influence in early primaries. The point is to pick a candidate who can win a general.
Celerity
(42,445 posts)mandates they are the first primary is going to be an issue.
They may refuse to comply with a demotion. If the DNC then says, 'well, your delegates won't count then' we will have an ugly intraparty war on our hands.
JoeOtterbein
(7,695 posts)...can you PM me his number?
brooklynite
(93,626 posts)But if you can get down to Charleston tomorrow, I might be able to work something out.
Link to tweet
JoeOtterbein
(7,695 posts)...great pic!
Also, who's the old guy with the yellow shirt?
Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)Incumbency is of great value.
brooklynite
(93,626 posts)We hold one which reflects the choice of Democratic voters.
Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)memory. Let me just say, whenever we had a primary opponent for an incumbent, we lost the election. Thus anyone primarying this president if he is healthy and can run, better make it into office the first time, because he/she will be blamed for any presidential loss. Personally, I would never vote for such a person in subsequent primaries...and I bet I am not alone. Incumbency is very valuable in presidential politics...but you know that. And let me say that I can't think of any candidate who could put together a winning coalition except Biden...., particularly in must-win rustbelt states.
brooklynite
(93,626 posts)We didnt CHnge The Primary process in 2012 (or 1996) to make it harder to run against Obama or Clinton.
Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)endanger the General despite Sander's alleged efforts to get someone to run. When you have an incumbent president, no one else should run...incumbency has value and no one has won a general in decades when there was a primary challenge. If Biden runs, no one else should run. And anyone who does will be a pariah in the Democratic Party IMHO...as they are very likely to cost us the general.
brooklynite
(93,626 posts)(I've already given Leadership my advice).
DNC is not leaping to the assumption that Biden is running and nobody would run against him. They're developing a process that will work regardless of the circumstances. I think they call it "democracy".
Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)And primaries need to be restructured. There is no reason to have Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada first every year...New Hampshire and Iowa in particular should not be early as they do not reflect our party. I believe they have over the years helped select candidates that had difficulty winning a general. You are into politics and know perfectly well that if an incumbent president is running it would be suicide politically to have primary opponents. And I hope and pray that Biden can run as I don't see anyone that can win the rustbelt at this moment other than him. A primary is a means to an end...it is a process that selects a candidate who has the party's support and thus can win a General.
Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)look at who didn't win the General as an incumbent...Carter lost and likely would have won if Kennedy had not run in the primary...and we would have been spared, Reagan.
dsc
(52,117 posts)I wouldn't be happy with them having first in the nation status. Maryland would be vastly better.
brooklynite
(93,626 posts)Washington is one of the most expensive media markets. You're requiring a candidate to already have a war chest.
dsc
(52,117 posts)but if you don't like Maryland then we can use Hawaii or Delaware.
brooklynite
(93,626 posts)They don't provide the basis for selecting candidates who can win a national election.
dsc
(52,117 posts)but I do have a major problem with a state that has a majority still against marriage equality and is quite likely to have a Don't Say Gay bill by 2024 having such a major role in our primary.