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(7,578 posts)Only a matter of time until its here again. I think its going to end up being like the flu where you take a shot once a year.
dweller
(23,526 posts)Better safe than sorry
68yo here
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MyOwnPeace
(16,884 posts)And if we are to be critical of those that opt to not have any or partial, is this the time to be questioning 'the scientists?'
I'm not a 'sheeple' - but I'm also not going to have any serious doubts about the 'reported' suggestions that we do even more to fight the virus. Too many 'names in the paper' of those that thought they knew more than the medical community.
Ohio Joe
(21,607 posts)Yeah, probably a bunch more.
FarPoint
(12,179 posts)Vaccine has gotten us this far....
Eliot Rosewater
(31,087 posts)Not taking chances.
MontanaMama
(23,219 posts)I am curious if its any different from the other vaccines.
DFW
(53,932 posts)My wife had mild symptoms for a day. I had nothing. The shingles shot was far worse.
SergeStorms
(18,758 posts)and was down for three days.
They keep hounding me to get the second shot, but when I got the first shot they told me the second shot was the worse of the two. I don't know if I'm going to even get the second shot since the first one made me so sick.
I've never had a reaction to any of the three COVID shots.
DFW
(53,932 posts)It will probably mean me staying home for three or four days, which will probably make headlines. Except for then we visit the USA, I don't spend four days in a row in the same country EVER.
dumbcat
(2,118 posts)I have never gotten a reaction to any shots other than a sore arm at the injection site. The second Shingles shot was different, felt like crap the whole next day. Luckily it was just that one day for me. Hope it's not too bad for you.
mcar
(42,179 posts)which is why I got the shingles vaccine. Yes, the second shot sucked. But shingles is way worse.
Mariana
(14,830 posts)before you make that decision. It's a pretty sure bet that they were much more miserable, and for a much longer time than three days.
Delphinus
(11,796 posts)my first Shingrix shot - no reaction other than my arm was so sore for days. Ouch!
SergeStorms
(18,758 posts)uncomfortable aspect of the shot. It felt like the flu, only worse. I couldn't get out of bed, except for short periods of time, for three days. Not a pleasant experience at all. 🥵
Delphinus
(11,796 posts)I am grateful I didn't have that. I hope you have fully recovered.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,087 posts)Had no symptoms from the vaccine and Ive had mild symptoms like the first booster but nothing big.
Ive also had both shingles vaccines and Im reading people here having terrible reactions to that which surprises me because I dont recall having any reaction or very little but that just means I have a week immune system I think.
Important to note that my vaccines have all been Pfizer and my understanding is Moderna is a stronger vaccine and you will have a stronger reaction at least thats what Ive heard.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,087 posts)form to weakened immune system.
I hear today that a 4th shot is ok for anyone over 50 as of today.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,087 posts)Pfizer, in my case and while I never had a BAD reaction, I did feel crappy each time for a bit but this last one was very little.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)blue neen
(12,305 posts)hlthe2b
(101,534 posts)Of course, I've seen one of my hospital's 28th patient die from COVID, so I guess that is just me --and I don't mind wearing masks since I've done so my entire career. Naturally, that is too much to ask of the general public--to protect their damned lives.
Perhaps some might think of what it is like in developing nations with zero opportunity for vaccines or quality face masks.
Irish_Dem
(45,215 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)markpkessinger
(8,366 posts). . . or as many as it takes to get through this!
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Ocelot II
(115,070 posts)Deuxcents
(15,671 posts)Boosters may have to be like our flu shots every year. Im ok with it. These shots are not a cure..none of them are but if it keeps me from getting deathly ill from these viruses, Ill sign up.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)Look at all that profit despite our tax money paying for the research.
Celerity
(42,446 posts)mahina
(17,456 posts)Kidding. Ill find it. But you do you! Whatever
maxsolomon
(32,918 posts)I just got one last year!
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CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)And I still get it. But the flu shot is a bit different than the covid booster in that they basically have to make an educated guess as to which flu strains to offer in the shot.
Johnny2X2X
(18,634 posts)Seriously, what is this garbage? No vaccine is 100% effective. And with highly contagious viruses like the flu and Covid, thats doubly so.
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Johnny2X2X
(18,634 posts)With the flu they guess what might be the dominant strain that year. Covid vaccines are still way more effective than that, even against omicron.
The Covid vaccines are a miracle and have saved millions of lives.
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NewHendoLib
(59,922 posts)elias7
(3,974 posts)You might be surprised, as well as maybe become a little more patient with our immune systems, which typically take 4 shoots over 2 years to give us adequate immunity to a whole host of things youve never had,
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CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #27)
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CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Your post was like drinking from the firehose of wrongness.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)yardwork
(61,331 posts)Can I steal "like drinking from the firehose of wrongness?"
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)marybourg
(12,531 posts)which compares vaccinated, boosted, unvaccinated and unboosted rates of illness, hospitalizations and deaths for various age groups.
For those who dont want to look: the unvaxxed, unboosted folks have had 180x times the rate of death as the vaxxed, & boosted folks in AZ.
https://azdhs.gov/covid19/documents/data/rates-of-cov-19-by-vaccination.pdf?v=20220302d fol
Bev54
(9,912 posts)I have no problem with it. If it is going to save lives, especially my own, then I will do it, just as I do other things to keep good health.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)We know previous infection doesn't protect you from reinfection. But we also know the vaccine and boosters don't protect you from infection. So the vaccines and boosters are now marketed as protecting against severe disease. But we never hear (or, better, I've never seen) data about the protection from severe disease provided by previous infection, if any. In theory, previous infection should provide protection from severe disease similar to vaccination. Do we know anything about it? Where are our experts on this?
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)three shots. I can't remember if you need one or two. But you can probably google his tweets if you are interested.
Wahyee
(610 posts)thucythucy
(7,948 posts)or six months really bother you that much?
I have friends with serious health issues getting jabbed for blood work and various medications six or eight or a dozen times a week.
Know anybody in dialysis? Have you tried moaning to them about getting a three second jab every three to six months?
Just asking.
hamsterjill
(15,198 posts)Severe needle phobe here. You obviously have no idea about how bad it can be for some people.
But, hey, thanks for all of that compassion you express. Really becoming on a Democratic message board.
thucythucy
(7,948 posts)I sympathize with anyone with any sort of phobia, but there was nothing in the OP that indicated that was the issue. In fact, toward the bottom of the thread he or she or they say, basically, okay, another shot it is. Which indicates to me it was simply the inconvenience that was at the heart of the complaint.
And just so you know, I have an intense aversion to blood. Unfortunately, my health issues require rather frequent blood work. And as I indicated, my close circle includes folks who would absolutely love it if all they had to worry about was an extra shot every four or five or six months.
If you personally have a severe needle phobia I hope you can get the treatment you need to deal with it so that your health isn't otherwise jeopardized.
hamsterjill
(15,198 posts)I felt your post was taking the needle phobia - which about 13% of the population has - a little too casually.
Thank you for your reply. It is a real issue and yes, I work with my doctor to deal with it.
thucythucy
(7,948 posts)I apologize, it wasn't my intent to minimize needle phobia. I can certainly see your point. In the future I'll try to be less caustic, or maybe more explicit as to where my snark is coming from and to whom it is directed. And I'm not trying to be snarky now--is there an emoji that means "no snark intended"?
Part of my response came from hearing from friends and students I know with co-morbidities who are really stressed out by the dropping of all the mandates. They feel--and I share both the vulnerability and the feeling--that first, it's now up to them to be even more careful and stressed out about their safety and second, that society is basically telling them--"too bad this could kill you but wearing a mask or getting another shot is just SOOO hard on me." So when the OP asked, "a fourth shot, really?" as if this was just such a horrid imposition, I'm afraid I let my sensitivity around all this get the best of me.
Just as an instance, I have a dear friend who can't get boosted because she's in the middle of her chemotherapy. If she gets the booster she risks a catastrophic reaction to the vaccine. If she gets Covid she's dead, end of story. And so she's been under virtual house arrest, afraid to go anywhere or do anything for fear of running into someone who is unmasked and/or un-vaccinated. At least with the mandates she felt people had her back. As she put it, "Now it's like the whole world is telling me, 'Sucks to be you.'"
Anyway, I'm ranting now. Ugh!
Best of luck with the phobia. Like I say I have problems with blood, though these don't rise to the level of a phobia. I just get the spins and pass out if I don't take a few precautions. Also, I can't do slasher flicks and such, but this is no big deal. The one issue I have that approaches anywhere near phobia is fear of heights, so I can partially relate to your circumstance.
Best wishes.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)dont help or make much difference. Such is life in the 21st century.
3catwoman3
(23,748 posts)...once a month if so advised by Dr. Fauci and other experts in immunology and infectious diseases.
relayerbob
(6,504 posts)Patterson
(1,525 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)JonAndKatePlusABird
(301 posts)nt
LisaM
(27,748 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:51 AM - Edit history (1)
Guy based in Minneapolis, grey hair, name escapes me, said that in his opinion, it really should have been a three-part shot to begin with, and that the fourth shot is really the booster.
If so, then I hope the fourth shot curbs the surge.
iemanja
(52,999 posts)Epidemiologist and Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.
LisaM
(27,748 posts)I was in the car and if I exit DU to look something up the thread closes up.
ismnotwasm
(41,885 posts)For our immunosuppressed population (Im a transplant RN) is give monoclonal antibodies in a intramuscular injection. Two minute push, 3 ccs one in each hip. Not looking forward to it, but those folks cant build enough immunity. I have renewed intense irritation at anti-vaxxers right now
flamingdem
(39,300 posts)You might be okay. Know someone in their 90s and theirs are sky high still.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It doesn't bother me at all. I get my vaccinations when they are due (flu, pneumonia, Covid, Shingles, etc) and I have not been sick in years. I prefer to err on the side of caution.
Arkansas Granny
(31,476 posts)I will also mask up in public, avoid crowds and practice social distancing. That seems a small price to pay to protect myself and those around me.
myohmy2
(3,118 posts)...you don't want one, don't get one...
...it'll mean the wait in line will be shorter for those of us who do...
...I'm always ready for a good boost...
Hekate
(89,977 posts)
me on my butt for 4 days. If the COVID vaxx ever did that Id still take it as an alternative to ending up on a vent for my 75th birthday.
This virus mutates so fast its like some alien being, and it really is not done with humanity yet. Im hopeful that the science guys can give us updated vaccines on a regular basis.
we can do it
(12,095 posts)BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)What's wrong with getting one every 4-5 months if it saves your life?
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Celerity
(42,446 posts)The doctors said that the antibody counts will no longer be our most important driver of defence soon, that our B Cells, T Helper Cells and T Killer Cells are extremely robust and far longer lasting.
The 2nd booster we received (all 4 were variant tweaked, the first 2 for Beta, then a Delta boost initially) 5 weeks ago was for the Omicron BA.1 strain, so we are not overly worried at all.
We are not going to go into a perm 'every 5 months a new experimental jab' mode, barring some crazy new super variants.
We no longer mask, have not for some time. Sweden dropped basically all requirements weeks and weeks ago and hardly anyone here ever really masked to any large degree, other than the initial Omicron wave. There never was a mask mandate here, other than things like flying, due to international requirements.
We club (going out tonight to a killer techno show, woot woot), we dine out at our leisure now, we are not going back into a shell, barring some super variant. We simply follow the science, always have, always will.
We have no new surge here, either in cases or deaths, post doing away with most requirements and post Omicron case surge.
Life here is pretty much back to normal. Our vax rates and natural social distancing rates are much higher than the US, which has also aided greatly, plus a massively smaller percentage of QMAGAt types.
Karma13612
(4,524 posts)I will get the recommended jabs as I qualify in my category. At 68 years old, and on Medicare, I will be first in line for my 4th jab (booster #2) when the CDC gives the OK, and MCR covers it.
Prior to this, the 4th jab, #2 booster was being recommended for those immunocompromised. From what I can see, this announcement is to broaden the eligibility to include those aged 50 and over, regardless of immunocompromise status.
Its hard to keep up, I know.
Celerity
(42,446 posts)We had to wait for the Moderna Omicron variant-tweaked jab (mRNA-1273.529) to be shipped for our experimental investigation trial.
We had very little reaction to it, basically the same as the initial 2 Beta variant jabs (mRNA-1273.351) we received over a year ago or so.
The delta-tweaked jab (mRNA-1273.617) was a bloody nightmare reaction for around a day and half, then all symptoms poofed, thank fuck.
All 4 jabs were the max 100 µg dosage, so we got the full load of juice every time, lol.
We also had completely asymptomatic origin strain Covid back in April 2020, so now we have had 5 immune response triggering/strengthening events.
Thtwudbeme
(7,737 posts)So? What is your point?
Come teach with me for a couple of days in middle school. You'll have your sleeve rolled up pretty damned fast.
dwayneb
(766 posts)After all we get a flu shot every year. Thus is no different, other than the virulence and risk of fatal consequences so much higher that we have to be even more aggressive with this novel coronavirus than with the flu.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,844 posts)It certainly wouldn't be the first time that I got an injection in an eye.
The vaccine shots in my arms have been easy.
MineralMan
(146,116 posts)mcar
(42,179 posts)Karma13612
(4,524 posts)I HATE shots, but getting severe disease is a LOT worse.
ChazII
(6,198 posts)for my 4th I would like to try Moderna as all the others injections have been Pfizer.
MineralMan
(146,116 posts)to chat with those who responded. Why is that?
Nobody will require you to take an additional booster. Nope. However, if such boosters are offered, many people will be eager to protect themselves further. I will be one of those.
There wasn't really any content in your original post. Just the question, which you apparently weren't interested in having answered by DUers.
Odd...
a kennedy
(29,406 posts)MineralMan
(146,116 posts)hamsterjill
(15,198 posts)I dont buy the continuing argument that the same vaccine is needed for a changing virus. The argument that the flu vaccine is needed yearly makes sense to me because the vaccine is modified for that years strain. But to my knowledge, the COVID vaccines have not changed from the original ones.
I am vaxxed and boosted and not trying to influence anyone. But Im not getting boosters forever.
JonAndKatePlusABird
(301 posts)Whats the evidence that backs up your assertion?
hamsterjill
(15,198 posts)The vaccine has not been modified TO MY KNOWLEDGE since the original formulation. The flu vaccine is so often used as an example of a vaccine that is required yearly. But the flu vaccine is changed yearly to address a specific strain.
Im not looking to provide evidence for anyone else to judge and clearly state that. Its a decision that Ive made for myself and has no bearing on anyone else.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)hamsterjill
(15,198 posts)Good enough? I am expressing my point of view. That should not bother anyone.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(4,144 posts)Just asking.
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,236 posts)I have to get bloodwork done so frequently, that it borders on the absurd. I've actually grown to look forward to the needles. You have to adopt that attitude if you get stuck as much as I do.
There are a few legitimate reasons for people not wanting to get the vaccine. A major one is needle phobia, which is no joke, and which many people have. Each of us probably has some phobia. Mine is fear of heights. Phobias are not just a mild fear of something, they can be debilitating and cause health threatening panic attacks. There are probably several medical reasons for people not getting vaccinated as well.
That being said...I feel that if you do not have a valid reason for not getting the vaccine, get the goddamn vaccine(s) already. No matter how many it takes. Consider yourself lucky that you do not have a reason not to get it, do the right thing for society, don't whine, and get the shot(s). (my comments are not directed at you personally, OP).
a kennedy
(29,406 posts)and Ill get it if it is recommended.
LuckyCharms
(17,236 posts)I was contributing to the discussion only, and I didn't really read every comment in the thread, so I never made the assumption that you would not get the booster.
Listen, I have friends that did not get the shot(s) for the oddest bullshit reasons, they got Covid, and under the circumstances as they explained them to me, they most likely spread it to other people. So, I'm pissed about that and was expressing my opinion on the matter.
Iris
(15,623 posts)nini
(16,670 posts)Of course there will be a need as long as variants are happening causing more spreading of this virus.