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From the Bbc yet another general is killed.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/another-russian-general-killed-in-ukraine/ar-AAVwazH?ocid=AMZN
Good.
Emile
(21,548 posts)Amishman
(5,535 posts)Emile
(21,548 posts)BootinUp
(46,852 posts)of what our military experts say on this.
2 things which I think explain it, without any rebellious actions needed.
1. Communications are broken for them
2. They have no non-commissioned officers corp. (Sergeants)
Irish_Dem
(45,215 posts)It may mean more top brass have to be in field positions. The officers and NCOs who are in the field and actually dealing with events in real time are not able to act without orders.
Japan and Germany had the same problem in WWII. The Germany military particularly was greatly weakened by Hitler's megalomania desire to control every aspect of the military, really weakening experienced officers.
In contrast American troops in the field were given more latitude and discretion to get the mission accomplished.
BootinUp
(46,852 posts)than our generals. The other comment by an analyst was that it seems the RU generals are very motivated.
Irish_Dem
(45,215 posts)He wants results at any price.
So they are out in the field trying to give Putin what he wants.
lastlib
(22,895 posts)I wish I had recorded it! Near the end, a D-Day veteran was asked why the invasion was successful. I can't recall it verbatim, but here's the gist of it: "The difference was, we had Eagle Scouts, and the Germans had the Hitler Youth. The Hitler Youth were trained to take orders, follow the leader. So when there was no leader to give orders, they were lost. Our Eagle Scouts were trained to take initiative, to get the job done, however necessary. That ability to take initiative, to get the job done was what made the difference, and our Eagle Scouts beat the Hitler Youth."
Irish_Dem
(45,215 posts)In some cases on D-Day, all the officers and higher ranking NCOs in a platoon were killed right away. This meant lower ranking men were in charge, and they were still able to get the job done.
There was a big difference in how Germany and the US trained their youth. In Hitler Youth there was blind allegiance to one ideal leader, Hitler. In the Eagle Scouts the boys were taught to be leaders, get the job done, etc.
2naSalit
(85,639 posts)Maybe Clint Watts (?) explain that the Russian military does not have an NCO corps so the brass have to be in the field to micromanage. of a sort. There are fewer levels of command between the head and the soldiers.
At least that's what I got out of it.
Irish_Dem
(45,215 posts)I have read mixed reports about whether NCOs exist or not in the Russian army.
If there are Russian NCOs they have no power or authority, they can only move with an officer's command. So they sit around and do nothing. Which is very different from how the US military operates.
2naSalit
(85,639 posts)I thought it was interesting when I heard the comments. I think it was on Deadline WH on MSNBC yesterday. The question was, "Why do so many Generals end up dead in the field?"
It's clear their command structure is quite different from ours and is likely why they are not doing well up against an actual 21st century military force.
Irish_Dem
(45,215 posts)Very rigid command structure. Soldiers in the field could not make decisions.
2naSalit
(85,639 posts)That will cause morale to cascade into outright mutiny in many companies.
Irish_Dem
(45,215 posts)On purpose.
2naSalit
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More of that would be a good thing. I suspect that there is a major transition about to take place in Russia and may facilitate more regions claiming autonomy.
Time will tell.
Irish_Dem
(45,215 posts)That would be so great.
Amishman
(5,535 posts)But who knows? Might happen
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,532 posts)Two posts were already posted on this subject, yesterday.
This is just a tease. Maybe we should start putting the names and the date of kill in the thread title?