Rs are getting ashamed/embarrassed by truthful facts about their side.
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Visited my usual Friday R group at the VFW last night, when I sat down with them they were discussing the war
between Russia/Ukraine. So I asked about chemical/biological weapons being used, and before I knew it everyone
at the table was saying UKR had none and Russia was getting ready to use them or already had.
So then I asked "If all thats true......why the hell was tucker carlson saying last night that Hunter Biden was
financing some biolab in Ukraine?"
Went from lively conversation to dead silence with everyone looking down at the table, not at each other to see who
was going to rebuke me. Evidently they had all seen tucker's remarks and now just hung their heads in
shame or embarrassment.
I hadn't thought about it at the time but this was basically the same reaction I got shortly after Jan 6th when they
were talking about the insurrectionists when I said "Lock up all those #*@%#*^# Antifa people" No one came to
their defense but looked at me in silence like "you know they were republican".
So going into the midterms we need to make Rs ashamed/embarrassed of their side whenever we can for voting for Rs.
Need to convince them the only way to save their party is to vote them all out of office so they change their ways.
On edit, added
When talking with Rs (I'm surrounded by them) from my experience, never say anything negative about IQ4.5,
it'll lead to an argument you don't need. Best not to even mention his name even though he deserves a lot of
criticism, now that might change after the Jan 6th Committee indicts him, until then be careful he's still their
Lord & hero.
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Are saying that!
their defense but looked at me in silence like "you know they were republican"."
But antifa are the good guys. ?? The anti-fascists...
Maybe I misunderstood.
outing the (totally ridiculous) claim floating around at the time that there was a 'false flag' antifa element (or perhaps engineering) behind the Capital riot. It was a ludicrous invention - that even the dumb asses couldn't quite swallow. And thus the sarcasm directed at a crowd of Trump loyalists.
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as sarcasm. Hopefully to elicit a response.
My take anyway.
I just thought it was my ornery side digging at Rs, but yes it was sarcasm.
Rs promoted the idea that the insurrectionists were not law abiding rump supporters,
but Antifa dressing up as Rs to make Rs look bad. More projection from Rs.
Hope that helps.
Again, on a strictly personal note, there have been several times in my own life where events have forced me to a realization of how wrong I had been. I have heard this kind of thing be called an 'epiphany,' and so suppose I can call it that since the word is defined as a usually sudden manifestation or perception of the essential nature or meaning of something, or an intuitive grasp of reality, where different pieces of the puzzle fall into place and suddenly you realize the enormity of something.
In the way back when, I was in my twenties during the 1980s, and was a 'Reagan Republican.' I was this because my grandma Max was, and shared screed after screed with me - long tracts in small font designed to gin up fear of the old Soviet Union - the 'commies.' This made me a truly obnoxious college student. I can remember being a horrible thorn in the side of the professor teaching a class called Social Change.
He taught the class from a Marxist perspective, which drove me bananas, and forced me to write my semester paper using a Marxist perspective. Of course, I bent over backwards putting qualifying language in it, because I didn't want anyone to think I was a 'commie' for goodness sake!
When I look back on my behavior in that class, I am truly ashamed because I was an awful bully during class discussions, and it was the very first class this professor had taught, and I drew him into a proverbial pissing contest. Horrible experience, I'm sure, for the rest of the students in the class, and all because of me. I suspect I ruined the class for everyone. Sigh.
Later on, as time passed, I learned things. I was exposed to different ideas by people I respected, and darned if I did not keep remembering things people had said in the class referenced above, things the professor had said, things his guest speakers had said. Since I am a curious individual and a voracious reader, I compiled a list of authors I wanted to read, beginning with the Communist Manifesto. You know, the USSR and Maoist China never reflected what Marx actually said. I ended up doing additional massive research in economics - looking at books on money supply and central banking, and on the doctrine of shareholder primacy - what capitalism really means.
And, of course, Noam Chomsky - I found him difficult reading. I liked Howard Zinn much better, and his book, "A People's History of the United States," literally blew me away. I learned about oligarchs, wedges, manufactured consent, and then read Klein and learned about shock and awe capitalism. We saw that applied here by Brownie in the aftermath of Katrina. The Bushies allowed private sector companies to maximize profits at the expense of the people who had lost everything in the hurricane.
Somewhere along the line I had the epiphany and became the fervent Democrat I am now.
I share this painful memory because I am human. I was wrong, and when I felt the full weight of my former zealotry, I was ashamed. Big time.
For this reason, I cannot support the assertion by many that no Republicans have any sense of shame. All human beings have a sense of shame. Oh, I don't hold out any hope for dirt-bags like Hawley, Cruz, little Marco, Bats**t Boebert, Marjorie 'Traitor' Greene, McCarthy, Cotton, Gohmert and the rest. They are useful idiots that are towing the line for the billionaire parasites, the oligarchs that have so corrupted our Republic.
But - I am an economist, and interact regularly with people in both parties - local elected officials, economic developers, chamber executives, businesspeople, postsecondary educators, and leaders in other community based organizations. Some, I suppose, are sociopaths. In fact a couple of them are, for sure. But not all, by a long shot. Most are basically decent, and DO have a sense of shame.
The problem is they get their 'news' from biased sources such as Fox and talk radio, because Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine way back in 1987, and we have seen the growth of what Rachel Maddow calls the Right Wing Noise Machine. That is truth, and Trumpy took that to a whole new level, and now we have the Kluxers, Nazis, crazy-right Evangelicals and other tin-foil types crawling out from under slimy rocks everywhere.
This is why I harp on forcing changes to corporate charters to get rid of shareholder primacy. On identifying the government's role as providing services where the profit motive is in direct conflict with the interests of the people receiving the service - like healthcare. On why we should consider eliminating the Fed and having the US Government take over central banking. On why we need to beef up voting rights by passing that John Lewis Act. And so on.
Policies affect us, you know. And some of the policies put in place around taxation, courtesy of Reagan and the supply-side people at the Chicago School, have really, really hurt the Republic. They have.
Anyway, I am human. I was wrong. I have a sense of shame. I was ashamed. I changed.
So can nearly every other human being. But it is hard. When you believe something fervently and are confronted with facts to the contrary, it causes massive discomfort.
If we are to save this Republic, we must, it seems, change our minds as a people.
Sorry for the long post. If you have read this far, why, you get a nice gold star!
Yes, long read but parts I can personally identify with.
This is truly amazing, and I love the way you've told this story.
Sometime when you feel up to the task, this would make a wonderful OP.
It's hard to sympathize/empathize with people who don't share your political views. And yet you must do it almost everyday because your job depends on it. Thank you, friend, for opening up like this.
PatrickforB should share this in it's own OP, had thought that myself when reading it.
it comes to being informed.
""oooh, I'm afraid to learn! 
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F'ing SNOWFLAKES !!
The parallels would really stand out, however you know that old saying...."1st liar never has a chance"
On 2nd thought this might work "You think Biden should withhold military aid from UKR until Zelensky gives
Democrats dirt on trump?"
Questions always work better than statements when dealing with Rs. Questions require a person to think
of an answer.
the Jan 6 Committee doesn't have the power to indict, I was typing faster than my tiny brain could think.
Maybe you found some normal ones, but there are way too many who believe the Tucker/Qanon nonsense that Putin is somehow the good guy.
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